Gun Bashes, Wolves and Tethering Bills

Show Notes

What part of our lifestyle is not under attack? 



Wolf introduction…yep. 

How you house your dog…yep. 

So what is the Sportsmen’s Alliance going to do about it? Raise money by giving away GUNS and CASH! 

Brian Lynn joins the Houndsman XP Podcast host Chris Powell for a complete breakdown of what the %&!! is going on. In this episode it gets fired up as Chris and Brian dive deep into what bills are being pushed by the anti crowd and the real reasons as to why. It’s not what you may think. You will want to tune into this episode and understand what is going on in this crazy world right now.

Show Transcript

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Chris Powell: Thank you for tuning into the Homan XP podcast. I am your host, Chris Powell, and on this episode, the podcast, we are going to feature Brian Lynn from the Sportsman's Alliance. We're a [00:03:00] little late in the game on this one. There's been a lot of stuff happening around the country and we're not done yet. A lot of state legislatures are adjourning for the year, but we always have the looming lunacy of our federal government that is trying to restrict our freedoms in a lot of different ways.

So the fight's never over. It continues always. And in this podcast, what are we gonna do? Brian and I are gonna discuss the assault on. Firearms across the United States. They've been very active in that. And what does Sportsman's Alliance do when the loonies come after our guns, they throw a gun bash in Ohio.

And we're gonna talk about that event, but we're also gonna take a deep dive into all of the legislative things that you need to know. I'm not gonna lie, folks, I get pretty fired up in these podcasts when I'm [00:04:00] talking to Brian because just like you watching what's going on in our world makes me crazy.

But fortunately for us, there is an answer. And that's the Sportsman's Alliance. They're out there every day fighting the good fight for us. And if we're gonna fight this fight effectively, we have to know why things are happening, how things happen, what are the politics, what are the backroom deals that are being made?

How do you follow the money? We're gonna peel back the layers of that onion and expose all of that in this podcast, and you need to know what they are. I just love doing these podcasts. They really do get me fired up. This one is a box shaker. It's time to get the tailgate down. It's time to dump the box.

Let's start off talking about the gun. The Gun Bling Fling Bash in Ohio. Yeah, that's gonna be a big deal for Sportsman's Alliance.

Brian Lynn: Yeah. [00:05:00] So are we starting now or do you wait?

Chris Powell: Oh, we roll right in. I don't give you any time. If you were gonna sit there and pick your nose and cuss and drink beer and all that stuff, it's going on the air.

Brian Lynn: Alright, cool. Cool.

Chris Powell: I like Cam bushing people, Brian.

Brian Lynn: Yeah. You're like the guy who runs up in the camera in the grocery store parking lot.

Chris Powell: Yeah. Yeah. No doubt. No doubt about that.

Brian Lynn: Or, yeah. Spring Fling. Ton of guns and yeah, it's cool. It's a hybrid virtual event, so 500 people in person in Ohio, but selling raffle tickets to those who can't make it, so you can still win, don't have to be present.

So that's cool. So a bit you can still win stuff even if you're not there, but if you go there, there's beer and hotdogs and barbecue and guns being given away left and right. And trips to Africa. I think there's three different safaris, maybe two or three.

Chris Powell: Yeah. Yeah, I saw that

Brian Lynn: Argentina.

Yeah, a lot of cool stuff for, a raffle [00:06:00] that's just for the springtime. If people coming up this summer,

Chris Powell: I'll tell you what, man, all this gun legislation we've been, you guys have been hammering that stuff across the United States and. What's going on with that? I, I want to talk about that because what are we do in response?

Sportsman's Alliance owns a gun bash in Ohio. It's yeah, here you go. This is what we think. Your anti-gun legislation, we're gonna give a bunch of 'em

Brian Lynn: away. Yeah. No, there's, there is a ton. Part of it's, just the cycle where we're at in the political cycle and looking at presidential stuff coming up.

So everybody's jamming. But and Democrats trying to get stuff through in different states and at the federal level and so it's part of the cycle and part of just where everybody's at in the country right now. You see the blue states are, I'm in Washington state.

This is I think we've just out California. California. Everything from on the docket here, from wildlife [00:07:00] management to guns. And then they've just passed a whole suite of gun control bills. Ar ban, ak, any, they added a whole bunch of features. So now even some handguns and shotguns are called assault weapons.

10 day waiting period, a permit to purchase system that, like Oregon doesn't exist. Just it's, they've just, oh, the ability to sue manufacturers. That's a big one. That has gone, California did it last year, right? That we're suing them for marketing to youth. And now being able to sue gun manufacturers from marketing to youth while now Oregon and Washington and a whole bunch of other, blue, other blue states are passing or trying to pass.

And a Washington did pass it, that if a criminal uses the gun to commit a crime and. The manufacturers didn't do enough that they can be held criminally responsible for that and [00:08:00] or civilly responsible in civil. Civil, yeah. Yeah.

Chris Powell: And let's just breaking the back of the gun manufacturers and the reason I'm concerned about it is because the gun manufacturer is gonna pass those costs along to me.


Brian Lynn: That PR dollars because so here in Washington, all of a sudden if they stop selling guns and license was dropped, there go our PR dollars. So there goes conservation too. And

Chris Powell: it's not I didn't think about the Pittman Robertson funds that are gonna be impacted by that.


Brian Lynn: cow. Yeah. And the same goes for lead ammo bands at the federal level, so that's. It is gonna get interesting. But, so you see the blue states trying to move while they can, and the red states are making proactive moves saying, yep, we're gonna set this law right now that, they can't be held criminally liable.

Credit card, the credit card companies have been trying to create codes so they can track who's buying guns or ammo. And there's, the red states are set in laws pro [00:09:00] proactively saying, Nope, don't even bring that here. It's illegal here. And so it's, it just highlights the divide within this country pretty strongly.

Chris Powell: Do you think the big push on a lot of this stuff is because the the blue states are afraid and shift to power next year and the an, the presidential and the

Brian Lynn: Senate house? Yeah. There, there's probably some part of that. Yeah. And they just got blood in the water right now and And for where every shooting, whether it's a mass shooting or not, that we all typically think of now, everything's getting grouped in as a mass shooting, even when it's not technically a mass shooting.

It's a homicide. Oh yeah. The guy in Texas, who's illegally here and illegally owning guns, and yeah, that's not stopping him. The laws aren't stopping, so it's only US law abiding people nor being handicapped by it.

Chris Powell: My stance on that anymore is if liberals would stop shooting people.

We'd live in the most peaceful [00:10:00] society in the world, seriously. Every time you have one of these wackos walk in and you do a deep dive into their personal state, their transgender, their, they're left, they're leaning left, they're illegal immigrants, all the people that the left wants to build their platform on.

So if they just, if we just get the liberals to stop killing people, we wouldn't have any problem. Cuz your conservatives don't go around killing people. Yeah. Unless they need it. Yeah. Yeah. Then we just wanna be able to do it if they need it.

Brian Lynn: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. The gun hole thing is it's just really moving in two different opposite directions in this country and yeah, the law abiding are the ones caught in the middle.

Chris Powell: You bet. You bet. What do you think what do you think the impact is gonna be for those Pitman Robertson dollars for states like Washington and Oregon? Have you guys done any work on that to [00:11:00] crunch any numbers? We're looking at

Brian Lynn: doing a study and trying to find that out. We haven't we don't have any firm numbers.

There's gonna be an impact. If, if these lawsuits and stuff hold first, they have to get through all the legal challenges. A lot of the laws here in Washington, there's, already lawsuits. They were just sitting there with their waiting and as soon as Insley signed it, they pushed the button to file the lawsuit.

So I think there's three lawsuits, four lawsuits already in Washington. So we'll see if they hold up and, if injunctions get placed, which should probably happen pretty

Chris Powell: quickly. Is Sportsman's Alliance one of the one of the organizations that's pushing that lawsuit? You guys involved in that one?

Brian Lynn: We're not in any of the lawsuits yet, or that I know of. Doesn't mean we won't join in the future, but Second Amendment Foundation and gun owners. Yeah, all those guys. Nra, N S F, they're literally We're waiting. Yeah. And filed, like there we worked with, N S F and NRA and a couple others testifying.

I [00:12:00] testified against two of them here in Washington, in the Senate and the in the house. And it doesn't matter. It's the Democrats have super majorities and the Democrat governor and the legislators just fall in line behind him. So it literally was just a exercise, a wasting time. Got me a little experience testifying, but that's about probably the best thing that came out of it.

Chris Powell: Yeah. And I, I didn't mean to put Sportsman's Alliance on the spot. I was setting it up there for, to showcase that even though you're not, your name's not on the line for, the, that particular lawsuit, you guys are cooperating and working with, and we're building this network of protective.

Layers for Americans through Sportsman's Alliance and the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the nra, and that's what it's gonna take, man. I'm always talking about bridging gaps and Yeah. And Sportsman's Alliance is doing that. So

Brian Lynn: yeah, pretty much work with just about everybody, whether it's, about [00:13:00] firearms or if it's about wildlife management, predators, hounds, whatever.

We work with whoever we need to within those different subsections to get things done. Yeah, Todd will be testifying in front of congress next week about lead ammunition. That's holds a big piece. That's could be a big impact to, people and participation as far as costs of participating, if lead ammo bands become the standard, which is what the Biden administration has been pushing and or cooperating with, settling with, center for Biological Diversity. It started with the wildlife refuge and we'll be going forward, but there's already groups who have petitioned to expand it to national forests, B

Chris Powell: L M, all of that stuff. And we called this, we did this podcast and talked about this LED last year. Yeah. And we called it last year, Brian that it wasn't gonna stop with the National Wildlife refuges.

That's the gateway to get into all of it. And the piece that [00:14:00] this is just so dag on complex, when you start breaking it down of what's really going on. Because when you start looking at what is considered non-toxic ammunition, the main one on the table right now is copper. Copper solids, copper this, copper that.

I know a few ammo manufacturers have already jumped in the re arena there and started developing their bullet technologies and stuff, but that stuff is not gonna get any cheaper, especially with this huge push on electric vehicles. Yeah. Electric vehicles are gonna take a ton of copper in order and we're getting that jammed down our throats.

Man, if people aren't on point for this lead thing, you better get on point and get involved because, I don't know, I don't know. It's gonna affect reloading, it's gonna affect it's gonna affect every [00:15:00] facet of the shooting, sports and hunting. There's no doubt about it. Yeah.

Brian Lynn: Yeah. And it's you're exactly right.

It's copper's probably the next most available element to make this stuff with. But if you reduce, if you increase, if you reduce lead and increase the demand, it's just basic. Yeah. Economics 1 0 1, like the price is gonna go up. Even though it's a more plentiful element, it's still not gonna be enough and it's the demand's gonna be high for everybody.

So that price is gonna go up. It's a sham gasoline and reduce the supply.

Chris Powell: It's a complete sham. When you look at the environmental impacts for mining copper, the one bullet, the 153 grand bullet that I shoot at a coyote on a national wildlife refuge has zero effect on the environment compared to what the impact is for a copper [00:16:00] mine.

Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. How do we, is this just. A total sham job. What are we looking at here? Yeah, it's

Brian Lynn: it's part of the environmental movement. It's, if they can move that, first of all, they have to have something to talk about. They have to have something to drum money up about with, whether that's wolves, grizzlies, guns, led, whatever, those are all money makers for 'em.

And the more they can put it out there destroying the environment the, our ecosystems are at risk, blah, blah, blah, blah. But California, they've done the condors and they were leading the way on the lead stuff. Honda populations have pretty much stayed stable, yeah.

And the, who knows? It's just it's a mess and it's going to cost money and it's gonna screw things up for hunters, can't. Remember the ammo shortage we had, that we are finally out of, but that was ugly, that was horrible just to flip and switch and they can't do that overnight.

[00:17:00] The processing, the plants and the manufacturers can't flip a switch and just make it so it's it could lead to another one of those.

Chris Powell: We talked about this and refreshed my memory about the impacts of lead on the wildlife refuges. You had a really good argument, and Sportsman's Alliance has a really good talking points on why the lead ammo has very little to no effect on wildlife.

Brian Lynn: We manage at the population level. That's what it was. Yeah. So in this country we manage at the population level. Okay. Is there an issue with the population or the population over, moving through this side of things? A flyaway for instance? Yes. Oh what are the contributing factors?

Why is this okay, let's fix that. But we don't manage at the individual level, so it's oh, an eagle died. A whole bunch of geese ran into a wind turbine. We're [00:18:00] not there you go, turbine. If there's not a population impact, why are we regulating this again?

And the study that they're basing all this on didn't say that eagle populations are gonna be extinct. It said it's gonna slow the growth of them. Because, the, I don't, I can't remember the science that they got into or the reasoning, but, there aren't an upward trajectory as it is.

That's great. The fact that they're not. Straight up and down is what they're saying. And it's okay, they're not going to reproduce as fast. We're not gonna, the population isn't gonna grow as fast. That's not necessarily a bad thing, and that's not an issue. A population level issue, like a decline.

They're still going up, they're still expanding, still going up in numbers. So it's a three card Monty slide things around and let people draw their own conclusions. Without giving the full background on it,

Chris Powell: the thing that amazes me is you see [00:19:00] hunters that jump on the bandwagon and talk about the things that the environmentalists are trying to fool us with.

I think about this. I remember when Indiana started the Bald Eagle Restoration Project because there weren't any eagles here. Guess also what there wasn't. Here we're shooting bloodshot at waterfowl. We were using lead sinkers in our lakes. We were we were still eating, chewing lead-based paint chips off the baby cribs.

It was all there. And since that time period, our eagle populations have just gone crazy. We've got more eagles now than it's nothing back in the day. I remember when seeing a bald eagle, people would drive down to Goose Creek to try to get a glimpse because somebody said they saw a bald eagle down there.

He'd pull into the parking lot down there at the boat ramp and people would be [00:20:00] sitting there, and I was working at the time, and you pull in Hey, what you doing? It's oh, we heard there's eagles down here. We came, there'd be five or six cars, people parked there waiting to see 'em. Now it's oh yeah.

An eagle. Yeah. Cool. One was roosted in the tree in my house the other day. My yard.

Brian Lynn: Yeah. And it's We, if we're gonna, man we manage at the population level. If we're gonna manage for every little thing, then let's put everything on the table. And those wind turbines are a perfect example of causing death and not just minimal death.

There's a lot of birds

Chris Powell: being killed. I heard, I saw a number the other day. It was 700, 750,000 birds annually are dying due to the wind turbine fields that might be high. It was, I didn't verify it, but that's a number I did see. Yeah.

Brian Lynn: So there's that. So are we going to ban that too?

So it's you don't just get to pick your place where get on your soapbox and say this stuff, if that's how we're gonna manage. That's not how we manage.

Chris Powell: Yeah. [00:21:00] Are there, but there are forces in place trying to get us to that point of managing that direction.

Though I feel like also

Brian Lynn: Center for Biological Diversity's kind of leading the way on that stuff. They're the ones who sued the government like 300 different times over five years. But they're the ones who led the charge on the refuge there. And we sounded the alarm and said, Hey, they're negotiating.

And not only are they negotiating, they won't even give us a say, the industry or the hunters or anybody. We were locked out and they've passed the law and now you see people groups petitioning to expand that just as we said. And then it can go to the state level by the feds withholding state funding those PR dollars or whatever, unless they do the same thing and follow through with lead.

Lead free state lands.

Chris Powell: Yep. Your na your wildlife management areas, your state forests, all those places that are public hunting that are owned and controlled by the state will [00:22:00] have to follow suit, or they're gonna see a huge cut in funding, no doubt about it.

Brian Lynn: Yep. Yep. Yeah. So that's where we're looking at with the lead stuff.


Chris Powell: other good news you got for us, Brian? It's I'll tell you what the good news is. The good news is the Sportsman's Alliance is out there and you guys work every day on this stuff. When I talk to Todd Atkins or I talk to, dollar about memberships and different stuff it makes me smile to see all the effort that is still being put in, even though on the outside appearances, it looks like it's a lost cause.

We're not gonna give up. Yeah. We're too

Brian Lynn: stubborn is I'll always go down swinging, so yeah, but I think we've put out somewhere like 250 to 300 alerts already in that neighborhood since January one, and so it's been a busy year with pretty much 49, actually, I think all 50 at [00:23:00] one point.

Were in session at the same time. Now it's starting to trickle down a little bit with each session, different states closing, which hallelujah, you know, that does hopping. So we're ready for mid-June to show up around here and slow down and take a deep breath while the summer recesses kick in.

And then it'll fire up again in the fall. So we should have four or 500 probably alerts by the end of the year.

Chris Powell: Is, are you guys setting a record or you think your on record pace on alerts? Oh

Brian Lynn: yeah, without a doubt. Without a doubt. Wow. We already have been, and that's a function of one, just the cycle and everybody being in at the same time and everybody being aggressive on both sides of the issues.

The gun guys, the red state's trying to preempt things and the blue state's going after it. And so it's very contentious and everybody's moving. The other side of it is, our government affairs team, Todd and Naomi have really they're just hammering it, man. They are [00:24:00] tracking so much stuff and they're just firing out alerts and keeping people updated and go to the website.

The new heat map we have. Yeah. You pull that up and you got the heat map there, and it's. It's just bright orange and you can look at it and see what pills in different categories are, game and fish department hunting, fishing, trapping, sporting dogs. You can cycle down to those and keep track of it yourself too, if you want to.

Chris Powell: Keep laying that out cause I'm looking it up right now. I wanted

Brian Lynn: to make sure. Yep. So it's just a new technology we got that's really cool. I mean it's I like interactive things like that. And so you can drop down and pulls up the map and you can go to your state, roll over to your state and click it and see the bills, all the bills that have been active and divided down by those categories that I mentioned.

Then you can click within those categories and see how many are active and what's going on with them. Read the bill, texts, sponsors, et cetera. So we put [00:25:00] a legislative action center together at the beginning of the year, and that was one piece, the heat map. So you can visually see it and also go look up the bills yourselves.

But then we have, where you can get all the information for your senators or representatives at the state level, the federal level, their contact information, emails, phone numbers, when we have alerts, the alert system. Now everybody loves the one click email stuff, which can be great at times.

Other times we need phone calls, but we have that's there so you can, if we need to just make noise cuz just making noise is a part of it. Sometimes it's just the state people, sometimes it's everybody that needs to make the noise. And that's a call that the government affairs team uses, for tactical reasons.

But one button email to send in to folks to weigh in on a topic. We got you can sign up to get the alert, so that's free. Just sign up, put your name and I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah, name and state, and anytime we send it out, an [00:26:00] alert to your state, you'll get that. And our weekly newsletter, that gives the whole roundup kind of the week and what's been going on.

The highlights from across the country. Yeah. What else is in there? Oh, pass by state. So

Chris Powell: yeah, I'm sitting here looking at it and just to explain to our audience how easy it is. Just go to sportsman's and then if you're looking at it on mobile, the little sandwich menu up there in the upper left hand corner, click on that and it'll give you legislative action center.

Click on the heat map and boom, you're right in there. And you can click on any state you want and see exactly what's going on in your neighborhood. But above that, so there's like state news archives, latest news sign up for alerts. There isn't any reason for somebody that's serious about. Hunting and fishing in this country.

Not to be informed with a website like this, I'm telling

Brian Lynn: you. Yeah. Yep. [00:27:00] So it's it's been busy and the government affairs team is cranking it out and so yeah, it's definitely gonna be a record year for us as far as tonnage of news and alerts and actions we've taken.

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What's the deal? What's the deal with we've talked about it, but I think it's worth going through again. You take a state like Texas, didn't they just pass a breeder's bill down there? Or they were trying to pass a breeder's bill? Where's, what's the status on

Brian Lynn: [00:29:00] that? Yeah it we've, for the last several cycles we've seen Texas.

Oklahoma a little bit, but Texas quite a bit. It's been pretty consistent for the last, I don't know, three years or so. We've seen breeder bills getting introduced to limit breeding, to regulate it, more than it already is. And so this year though, one was introduced and it reduces the number of intact females.

I think you're at 11 right now. You have to have 11 intact females and transfer 20 dogs, transfer cell, whatever, change ownership of 20 puppies to be considered a commercial breeder. And you're considered a commercial breeder. You have to get licensed, you have to get your local licenses, your permits allow home inspections, pay fees, et cetera.

This bill drops it from 11 females down to five. And I think it's transfer of one puppy, or maybe they got rid of that [00:30:00] altogether. I can't remember.

Chris Powell: Yeah, I'm trying to find it right now to bring it up. But it's restrictive. It's, again, it's, they're not coming after hunting in Texas. Texas is a huge hunting state, so they're not coming directly after that.

They're trying to go after the methods in our abilities to hunt. Just like the lead ammunition now they're talking about this deal.

Brian Lynn: Yeah. So that that would impact a lot of BirdDog guys, a lot of Hounds men. Oh yeah. It's not hard, to have five females and have one puppy.

So if you have one litter and transfer to one puppy, you are now a commercial breeder. Since permitted, follow all those registration and regulations. And then, on top of the financial stuff, it's open your home. Like your house can be inspected, and will be by the government.

And for one puppy, and that becomes an economic attack again, just like the lead deal is you go after and make the economics out of touch. So it's okay, puppies, now the price of that puppy is [00:31:00] gonna go up if people are having to pay the government regulations and taxes and fees and everything else, and have facilities set up exactly how they are.

The state thinks they should be set up for one puppy. That gets expensive and then that gets passed along to the consumer.

Chris Powell: Exactly. It'll put a lot of our it'll put a lot of hunters out of business. Either it'll either put 'em outta business or put 'em, facing legal action, fighting something in court against the state.

Possibly. I don't I hate to say it, but there's a possibility for jail time. It would be attached to things like this. Possibly. Unless it's an infraction charge. Yeah.

Brian Lynn: That eventually, but this year for some reason, this bill has grown legs. Like it's, yeah, it's passed one chamber already.

Yeah. So I think it was the Senate it passed and so now it's at the house, and so yeah, Texans need to jump on that and really make some noise so this thing gets stopped [00:32:00] cuz it's already passed one chamber.

Chris Powell: Yeah. That's gonna affect it, that's gonna affect everybody down there. Whether you're a bird hunter, you're a waterfowl hunter if you're a deer hunter.

Deer tracking dogs are huge in Texas and it's gonna affect that. It's hog hunting is one of the hottest topics in Texas, as far as invasive species. And the efforts they're putting out there to reduce the wild hog numbers down there, that's gonna affect hog hunters. To sit around on your hands on this one is very dangerous for any person that likes to hunt in Texas.

Yep. Yep. You spend thousands of dollars to go down there to hunt on a ranch, and you shoot an exotic or a monster whitetail buck, and all of a sudden you've gotta pay an additional exorbitant amount to cover a tracking dog because they've gotta meet government requirements. It's gonna have an impact across the board.

Yep, yep.

Brian Lynn: Yeah, if anybody's in Texas, your representative [00:33:00] will holler, pick up the phone, that, that moves the needle more than anything than just emailing. So pick up the phone and let 'em understand how that impacts you.

Chris Powell: Yeah. And you can find your, that information's on your website too, who you need to contact if you go into that Legislative heat map and then look at Texas and then click on how many active bills.

You can scroll that down to the sporting dog bills. And then you can see exactly who you need to be contacting and all the information for your legislator is on that website

Brian Lynn: too. Yeah. And that's who you need to contact because the sponsor probably isn't gonna change their mind, but contact your guys so when the vote comes up, they rail against it and they have, they're armed with some facts and know it and then can vote against it.

And put the word out there why this is a bad

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Brian Lynn: Yeah, tethering is big. It's all around all around. We see that, so Nevada has one now. And. That's removing an ex. Usually we get an exemption put in and it's okay, now it's, again, he shows the slippery slope, even if they get it on the books with an exemption, which sometimes is the best we can hope for, but now they come back later and try to remove that exemption, which is what they're doing in Nevada now is removing the tethering exemption and ho folks and Burt dog folks again, you got a string of dogs and you're airing 'em, you're traveling, you're hunting, you're trialing, whatever it is,[00:36:00] it's not good.

It's gonna change things up. Yeah. They're gonna be a

Chris Powell: zoo. Some of these bills are written in a way, like when I'm traveling across the country with my house and I stop and I get 'em outta the truck and I either put 'em on a tie out, put my tie out, or I just take a leash and hook it to a fence and I've got that dog tied.

At that point, I'm in violation of that. The way that bill is written, I'm in violation at this point. So anybody sitting there at the gas station filling up their car can call the police and report me. And then I'm dealing with law enforcement instead of traveling with my dogs. And I've just got 'em out to air 'em out and give 'em some water and let 'em stretch their legs.

And yeah it's totally mind numbing to think where we've gotten to with some of this stuff. We did a podcast here not too long ago. Chad and I talked about all of the benefits [00:37:00] of tethering and keeping your dogs tethered, the freedom they have, the health, the fact that they can be dogs. The psychological impact that, that caging a dog has.

If we put kids in cages, people would be throwing a fit, but we can actually take a dog. And rightfully you laughed rightfully we should be throwing a fit if people are putting kids in cages. Small cages, big ones are okay. No I can take, I can set up a tether where my dog has hundreds of square feet, but it violates the state tethering law.

But if I put them in a kennel, a 10 by 10 kennel, I can cut them down to a hundred square feet and that's okay. That doesn't make any

Brian Lynn: sense. Yeah. No, it's, it doesn't, and a lot of times they get these tethering laws on there that the tether has to be, three or five times the length of the dog can only be made of this material.

It's a perfect example of government, Oh yeah. Leads to more governments and more [00:38:00] regulations. Cuz you have to define the term, you have to define this, you have to define that. They do all this as long as they can get it on the books there they're happy cause they didn't like Nevada's Perfect example.

They come back later and change it. Okay. A lot of times in Texas, for example, they do it as an inclement weather. Tornado, you can't have a dog, tied out or a rainstorm or heat, whatever inclement weather gets defined as.

Chris Powell: A lot of times it's not defined and it's left up to the discretion of the officer.

Yeah. Officer that shows up and he is I wouldn't leave my dog out today. And he lives in a suburb and his wife's got a fur baby and she yells at him if he's the dog's outside too long. So he is I wouldn't leave my dog out today, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna go ahead and take action

Brian Lynn: on this.

Yeah. And then they come back later and oh we'll just strike, this session. We'll just strike inclement weather, and so you can't tie 'em and nobody gets fired up because it's such a small little change. It's a couple of words. It's hard to get the momentum to, destroy that or stop that from [00:39:00] happening.

Chris Powell: You know what's really aggravating is we're spending time. We pay those legislators, we're paying for that time as tax dollars as taxpayers. Yeah. We're paying for that time for you to tell me how to take care of my dog. And some people need people to tell 'em how to take care of a dog. I'm not gonna argue that point at all.

There's some people out there that, that keep the dogs in deplorable, horrible conditions. But I'm paying a government official to tell me how to take care of my dogs. There's usually always a law on the books already that covers that mistreatment of that dog. Yeah. And the whole time we've got liberals walking into schools and shooting people and

Brian Lynn: no it's like we're not against, animal cruelty.

We're not trying to make that. But the way that a lot of these laws get written, whether it's on, out of ignorance or it's. Purposeful, it's mindful to write it this way. It catches hounds men and it catches bird dog [00:40:00] guys, and, sporting dogs in general in some way, whether it's too broad and leaves open subjective interpretations, or whether they make it very specific and that catches 'em, and so it's it's hard, but there's, like you said, there's usually a law already on the book. It's a matter of enforcement. Yes. And ev okay, the guy has to work and do this. And there's only so many animal control

Chris Powell: folks, so it goes back to money because the A S P C A can trot out these statistics and say, we assisted in passing humane bills in 10 states last year.

Send us money, and the whole time those 10 states that they got 'em, Passed in. There were already laws on the books that say if you can't keep a dog in a humane way, healthy and what's best for his best interest, you're in violation of the law that, like you said, typical government that just jumps on the [00:41:00] bandwagon.

They're making more laws to say, I'm up here working, I'm working for your interest, a bunch of bologna and the animal rights people are sitting back going, you need to send us more money because we're out here working hard for you.

Brian Lynn: Yep. And a lot of the suburban guys, representatives are, even the conservatives.

Even the conservatives, they're, a lot of them are being, are the ones who are pushing a lot of the breeding and tethering stuff or the conservatives. Representatives or senators within suburbs, right? Yep. Yep. A lot of times the conservatives don't have that little touchy feely feel, good topic that they can point to.

This gives them that political match to carry or torch to carry and show their voters that, they're humane and everything else. And so they push these bills.

Chris Powell: One of these, one of these representatives needs to sponsor an anti-obesity bill for dogs. [00:42:00] That's what, that's the one that they need to be looking at for mistreatment.

The fact that you got some fur mama over there that's, that lives in suburbia, walking her fat lab down the sidewalk, and the dog's got arthritis and joint problems and gonna live a shorter life. Because she's mistreating her dog much more than most of the Hounds men I know would ever mistreat a dog.

And she's doing it inadvertently.

Brian Lynn: Big dogs. They treat 'em like little people. And that's my I, ooh, my girlfriend is like she knows that when I get around people like that, because she's one of them too.

Chris Powell: Sometimes so's my wife.

Brian Lynn: I just lose it. I'm like, oh my, like I'll tell people their dog's fat.

Like I'll be pet fat. Hey, you got a little got your winter weight on? And I'll be like, wait, he's not fat. I'm like, yeah, he's fat.

Chris Powell: Oh man. I tell my wife all the time that her pit bull's fat. I was like, he's, yeah, he's fat. I've seen pit bulls that are in shape and ready to go to work. He doesn't need six cups of feet a [00:43:00] day.

I take him out. I take him out and run him with the hounds just to get some exercise on him, keep him trimmed down. If I didn't do that, he'd look like a blimp. Yeah. Yeah. Oh

Brian Lynn: man. Yeah. But then also, people are treating 'em like little people. I'm like, no, they're dogs. And my girlfriend's oh, that's so mean.

Or this he likes this. I'm like, no, he doesn't like, he's a dog. This is how he's thinking. This isn't how dogs think. That's how you're thinking. You're projecting just go nuts. I lose it on people.

Chris Powell: Dogs are a lot like they have no self-control. They have no off switch a lot of times.

It's just you put food down, they're eating it. You put a hamburger down, they're eating it. They don't have any foresight to think, oh, this is gonna cause me to be obese and have joint problems and possibly suffer from heart disease. They're eating it,

Brian Lynn: it's like the dog's not scared.

He's not that he's a dog. Let him be a

Chris Powell: dog. Yeah. You know it. So what else is going on? As far as what else we need to be looking at, Brian? Oh [00:44:00] geez. Take

Brian Lynn: your pick. Guns and dogs. Those are two big ones. A lot of the gun stuff has crossed over this year. One of the themes we've seen, along with the bigger liability assault weapon bands and stuff like that, and this goes to Texas again is a lot of attacks on youth trying to up the age from 18 to 21 to not just buy, but even possess.

And not just, semi-auto rifles, but even shotguns, semi-auto shotguns, and not even just semi-autos and some points in some bills. I can't remember which state it was in Colorado. Yeah. That it's even shotguns, even rifles even, side by sides. It's a possession with no exemptions for hunting or it's so confusing.

Somebody's gonna be in violation. And so that's been a big theme is, raising that age limit from 18 to 21. Yep.

Chris Powell: Yeah. I've got friends in Colorado that have been [00:45:00] keeping me informed. Anthony Pace with Freedom Hunters was actually sitting in and listening to the testimony for that bill, and I think he was, I think he even testified against it.

He testified in opposition to that bill, but he was going on a ramp with me while he was waiting for his turn and he was living, he is I can't believe this is the craziest stuff. And the whole time they also, all the people pushing this bill wanna lower voting age to 16, yeah.

Let's raise the age that people can hunt and lower the voting age to 16. If you can't smell the political shenanigans going on there, you just need to turn in your voter registration card and move.

Brian Lynn: Yeah, exactly. So that's one big thing. Wolves of course, is always big. You have Colorado going on, you have the great lake stuff still happening Minnesota trying to, proactively, preemptively, pass a wolf band.

The end game's coming up there and we're going to get them delisted. It's been a [00:46:00] 20 year fight. We'll get 'em delisted. It's been a li or a legal chess match we've been in. And they're starting to run out of moves. It's got 'em cornered, like when you're playing checkers and the guy just keeps moving back and forth.

That's where we're at in this. It's just a matter of getting the final pieces in play and blocking them in. Yeah. So they, and Minnesota's trying to pass a preemptive ban to stop wolf hunting if and when they ever get delisted from the Endangered Species Act. And that was, that's dirty.

Cool. Okay, you're gonna put a bill up to do that and we can all discuss it and weigh in and stuff. Okay. If you beat me. But they tuck this into a huge omnibus spending bill, environmental spending bill, and it's just one little section within this hundreds of pages. And unless it gets called up into a committee in the conference, it gets really wonky with Minnesota politics.

I don't understand it fully, how it goes through the houses and gets referred to a committee and after the fact. I don't know. It's [00:47:00] weird. Yeah. But unless somebody brings that up and it comes up for the vote, there's nothing that's gonna be said on it. And so that's the way that,

Chris Powell: that's the way the Utah line Mount Lion deal was.

Brian Lynn: Yeah. And they don't wanna hold up these huge spending bills for one little section. Yep. The fact that it could get pushed and could happen is very real. It's gonna screw that all up. And then you got Colorado with creating, hopefully that bill goes through the CJ 10 bill that they get they have to do an en environmental impact statement first, and then before they can declare them a experimental population, which then gives a state greater flexibility.

Yeah. Yeah. So there's wolves always, that's their bread and butter. There is the wolf. You bet. We spread those out and protect them as long as they can. The other topic they brought up again, center for Biological Diversity, suing the Forest Service, I think it was Mangos, fish Wildlife that any wolf that leaves the [00:48:00] state is still protected.

So if it crosses over into Wyoming where they hunt wolves, cuz there's a shirt, national Forest that they use, that they want the wolves protected. That stands. And then they can say, Hey, this wolf can travel to California, it can travel to New Mexico, it can travel anywhere. Therefore we can't hunt wolves in Montana, Idaho, Wyoming,

Chris Powell: yep. Yep. They get that collar number and give them a name, make some social media pages for 'em, and all of a sudden they can go wherever they want with their girlfriend and set up a new breeding grounds. And yep. What have you heard about mountain Lion in Colorado? I heard it's gonna be a ballot initiative next year.

Brian Lynn: I haven't heard anything yet, but yeah, that's that wouldn't surprise me. Again, big predators are big money for them, and they can put pretty pictures up and say a whole bunch of mis misinformation and the city folks will voted [00:49:00] in, so it's there's also, we called it after Cecil, we said they're gonna head to five different states, a possibility, and then narrow down, Idaho and Montana aren't happening.

Utah isn't happening cause it requires a two third vote. So Colorado and Arizona and they tried Arizona a couple years ago and their ballot initiative laws made it difficult for 'em, plus scandal with Wayne Elli. So they've pulled out of there and that's been quiet. So yeah, Colorado could be Vietnam

Chris Powell: pretty quick.

Yeah. Colorado, they tried to push that Senate bill through last year year be year. Yeah. Last year got shot down. And then so the sources on the ground there for me are saying that they're gonna come after it through a s ballot initiative and do wildlife biology by vote, ballot box biology, and.

That's not gonna

Brian Lynn: be good. No, and that's typically what we see is you try to [00:50:00] change it at the regulation level, at gain commissions. They try to get, a bill passed in the legislature and we block 'em, so you keep blocking 'em. So then they their last resort is to go the ballot initiative process.

Yeah. That's the expensive process. It's expensive for everybody. So even though they have the advantage of being able to create great messaging for their people and get it out there, they have a high chance of success. It's still 2, 3, 4, 5 million for 'em to and so if they can do it with a lobbyist, for 10 grand for a couple of sessions or whatever it costs, that's a lot cheaper way to go.

Yeah. But you, that's the process. We see regulation, legislation, and when that fails several times in a row, then they'll go to the ballot initiative. And spend the money, and they have the money to spend main Society Center for Biological Diversity A S P C A. They all have that money to spend, that they have millions, main society.

They wanted to, could run ballot [00:51:00] initiative in every state almost and do it without blinking.

Chris Powell: You think like when the Center, center for Biological Diversity, they turn around and they sue the US Fish and Wildlife Service, which right now is run by the people whose agenda they support the Democrats.

Do you think there, why isn't there pushback from the Democrats? It's like, why are you guys coming after us and suing us? We're on your side. A lot of those people are on the side of Center for Biological Diversity. There's no doubt about it. That's why.

Brian Lynn: That's why we were mad, and made so much noise with the Biden administration settling, they sued on the lead issue or they sued on the refuge expansion in general.

And they had some, then the Biden administration was like, okay, you shoot us now. This gives 'em leverage to talk like, oh, I, we have to talk to [00:52:00] 'em. Even people in the industry when we said, Hey, this is what's happening. People in the industry said we were playing politics and this wasn't happening.

This is all part of policy to sit down and negotiate with. No, it's not. You don't have to sit down and negotiate. And even if you do, you can say no even to do, you can tell us what's going on or what's happening. They didn't. So it is a wink, wink. We're gonna negotiate and we're gonna do what you want type deal.

Plus, if they settle on just a couple of points, they can then apply to get their, all of their lawyers fees paid for. So they're making tens of millions of dollars off the taxpayers. By suing on all this stuff and then reclaiming their lawyers' fees and witness fees for just winning a couple of points.

So they're getting, they're advancing their agenda and getting paid for it, which then they can roll into the next lawsuit and using the next lawsuit. So they've got a great model and they're making a ton of money. Yeah. [00:53:00] Raising money on this stuff and getting their money back pursuing it. At one point C B D during the Trump administration, they had a Trump tracker and they had a lawsuit a day.

They were averaging a lawsuit a day against the federal government over a five year period. I think it was. They were something like 323 lawsuits that they filed. So they're making 10 millions of dollars and advancing their agenda. And so when they're suing a friendly administration, it's okay.

Wink. This is how we're gonna do this.

Chris Powell: Yep. Yeah, we're gonna go ahead. You go ahead and sue us. You're gonna get this payout I'm running for reelection next year. Yeah.

Brian Lynn: Yep.

Chris Powell: Man, I'm telling you. It's dirty

Brian Lynn: politics, baby Politics and money. You bet.

Chris Powell: You bet. What kind of good news, man?

What are some of the triumphs and wins? And then we're gonna, we're gonna wrap this thing up with the the gun [00:54:00] bash, cuz I still think that's an in your face thing, but Yeah. What kind of good news we got, Brian?

Brian Lynn: The, some of the red states your Dakotas and stuff like that have passed some good stuff.

Protecting, re reaffirming preemption or expanding youth hunting Colorado or North Dakota I think had six or eight bills that were signed in the law that were pro sportsman stuff. And that was a whole gamut of different things looking Florida the right to fish and hunt constitutional amendment will be going on the 2024 ballot.

So those are nice, those nice to have. It reaffirms everything, gives you a little book, bit more legal footing that the other side has to overcome or think about at least not that they're foolproof silver bullets by any stretch, but it, it gives a little bit of a legal challenge, for us, for them to overcome and us to lean into.

So that's good. The Montana ones failed. That's bad. Yeah. It. The good news is few and far [00:55:00] between, but the other side of that coin is that there is so many bills that it's amazing that they get so few passed. Actually. Yeah. When you see the number, the vast number that they do put forward, and they only pass a small margin of them, if at all, that's good news, except it is an incremental loss and stay in there. But expanding youth hunting and some education stuff is good. And anything we can do to throw some roadblocks in their way.

Chris Powell: How's the education program going for Sportsman's Alliance? I'm still excited about that. And how's that going? It's

Brian Lynn: going good.

They're trying out some new technology and stuff, and they've added more to the back end. I know that more resources, more labs, more hands-on stuff for the teachers to do. And so it's even more of a turnkey program that a school can I implement or homeschool and counts. It aligns with all the science credits for [00:56:00] so many states.

I don't even know how many states, but it's those big accreditation type ones it aligns with. And they've added more and more to the backend, so it's even easier on the teachers and gives them more time to do in classroom, hands-on stuff and and engage the students. So it's it's pretty cool.

We're excited about that still.

Chris Powell: Yeah. That, and this is an action point for everybody out there. You've got a local school board in your. In your county and you can go to that meeting. And what we're talking about here is a program that was designed and built by the Sportsman's Alliance. It's actually a wildlife biology based education program that can be plugged into your science programs at your local school.

And now your kids can take that as an alt, an alternative or addition to their other science programs. And it's fully accredited in several states. Is that a accurate description? Yeah.

Brian Lynn: [00:57:00] Yeah. It works as your the third elective that they can do. And it can fit underneath the like my son school, they have a medical biomedical track and they have an environmental type track.

So it fits under that environmental sciences piece. It can be a standalone where it's the entire class, it can be wove into an environmental class. Or an ag class. A lot of the FFA stuff doesn't have a standard operating curriculum. Just covers almost all of it and plugs into it. It can be, a semester class, it can be a full year class.

It's pretty much flexible for whatever you need. Very hands-on stem orientated type stuff. And they're learning the backbone of the North American model and how this all works together and basic wildlife biology principles and environmental pop principles and how the funding mechanism works and how hunters, anglers and trappers fit into the situation and fit into this model of [00:58:00] wildlife management.


Chris Powell: it's like a truth pill for education these days because you get the bear, you get the right information out there of how our wildlife's paid for what role hunters and trappers and fishermen play in that, and why hunting is valuable for, as a management tool. It's just a, it's a great program.

So if you haven't heard about it, I would strongly encourage you to go to the Sportsman's Alliance website. And it's on there, right? It's

Brian Lynn: under the education tab, or even go straight to conservation and and and go in there and there's a request to quote or talk to somebody or send an email.

You just sign up and somebody will get in touch with you very quickly.

Chris Powell: Yeah, man. If you want to do something big for the future of hunting and outdoors, wild wildlife management, north America model, all good stuff. In your local community, there [00:59:00] is an i, I taught Hunter Ed and all this stuff for 30 years as a conservation officer, and this program is lights out, the most impactful thing that could happen to hunting in the United States.

Brian Lynn: Yeah, I think so too. It's the folks who, take hunter's ed or whatever. That's great. Yeah. But they're who are, they're already on our side. This reaches kids who don't have an exposure to hunting and they have to go into class every single day and sit down there for an hour and talk about this stuff and go home and do homework.

So even if they don't become a hunter, at least they understand. And the principles behind it. So when they become a voter in one or two years, that they go, wait a minute. That's not exactly right. I don't know. No, that's not right. They can begin to question these valid initiatives that come up.

These bills, these legislative bills, they can understand better the threat that these things pose because this is the facts and the science behind the [01:00:00] hyperbole that the other side uses. Have

Chris Powell: you got a have you got a section in there on, on Hounds and hunting with Hounds yet? Brian?

Brian Lynn: I don't know.

I haven't looked at it for a while. I haven't. I edited the thing. I'm putting you

Chris Powell: on the spot, buddy.

Brian Lynn: Updated it and I can't remember. I think there's something in there on Hounds. I think we talk about methods and why. I know there was an African piece and quote unquote trophy hunting, trying to explain that to high school students, that it's not trophies, this is still management.

Here's what happens, da, duh type things. So absolutely.

Chris Powell: Yeah, for sure. I'll tell you what, I'll look over that curriculum and if you guys are up for it, I'd be interested in working in working that in where we get that information included because I, that's what we do, man. That's what we do.

It's something that I want 15, 16 year old kids to understand that side of hunting as well. [01:01:00] And see the value that these hounds men provide out there in the wildlife management arena. Totally. Yep. All right, man. Let's wrap it up. Where's that gun bling at? That gun bash? I keep calling it the gun bling.

I know it's not the gun bling. What is it, Ash? Whatever.

Brian Lynn: It's in

Chris Powell: Ohio. It's gonna be a party.

Brian Lynn: Yeah. At the fairgrounds there. Can't remember the name. Marion County, I think fairgrounds May 20th. Yeah, but you can, you don't have to be you don't have to be there to win. You can buy your tickets online and you might win a bunch of shotguns or you might win a rifle might win a trip to Africa.

There's all sorts of stuff to win. Yeah. Yep. There's cash. Yeah, cash. Cash. You can win cash. 5,000, a thousand, something like that. Couple that's right. Thousand dollar pots. And I think there's 50 52 a raffle that's going on that yeah, I think it's supposed to be like a hundred grand or something like that.


Chris Powell: there's a Christian, there's an arms [01:02:00] Messa 300 win mag. That's a heck of a prize, man. Yeah. Glocks, Ruger. Ruger is on board there. Cool stuff. Lot of good stuff. There's a's done.

Brian Lynn: Great job putting some really just awesome. Raffles together and stuff, this is a great event for anybody, and this is our small one.

The mega raffle. Yeah. Coming up summer, late summer, and that thing last year was close to $500,000 worth of prizes. The 50 50 was something like, I think it was take home, like $90,000 or something take home that the winner got. Yeah. So it's just, it's unbelievable what he is putting together with that thing.

It's that thing's taken off and that's a huge fundraiser for us. We don't have banquets, like most conservation organizations do with chapters around the country and several within the state. We don't have that, we're a centralized organization and so [01:03:00] this is our, these two raffles are our big fundraisers, and so that's where we get a lot of our money to be able to do lawsuits lobby if we need to.

And do that outreach and education stuff and hold these guys accountable.

Chris Powell: Yep, for sure. I'll tell you another way you can help hold people accountable is when you join us, when you join Enhancement xp, go to pay, go to our website, enhancement, click on the support us tab when you join us and support us at the highest tier.

Then we're gonna pay for your membership to the Sportsman's Alliance, and you can take an active role and I'll, I'm telling you, ma'am, when you look at the things that are offered there, just the news articles and the email alerts that I get every week keeps me on point for what's going on, keeps me involved.

It doesn't make me feel like a dag on freeloader. [01:04:00] Seriously I'm serious, man. If. This is a time when we've got to be involved and we've got to be informed and you just can't keep riding it out, that you gotta get involved. You gotta get involved.

Brian Lynn: Nope. They're coming and they've got a ton of money and a lot of influence with Hollywood and everybody else is on board with them.

And so we've gotta band together and get the truth out there and start swinging back taking the fight back to 'em.

Chris Powell: This is a way to do it. So you can either I and I don't care. You can go straight to Sportsman's Alliance website and pay for your membership there. I don't care where you get it, but you need to get on board.

You can either do it there or you can come over to Patreon and join us. We'll pay it for you. And either way it doesn't matter. Just get involved. Amen. Yep. All right, ma'am. Hey, Brian, it's always a pleasure talking to you and Thanks for carving some time outta your busy schedule. [01:05:00] You got some, what?

You going to Idaho to bear, huh?

Brian Lynn: Yeah. Yep. Yep. I head down to Missouri next week. We have a board of directors meeting and then from there I'm going up to Wisconsin to Turkey hunt with the Vortex guys and do a video and podcast there. And then I'm home for two days and then I'm off to Idaho for a bear camp.

Nice. Nice. The Hounds.

Chris Powell: Yeah. Good deal, man. Brian, thanks a lot. I appreciate everybody tuning in to listen to this episode, the Hounds XP Podcast. Make sure you're checking out the Sportsman's You can find a link to 'em off of our We're in this fight together.

Brian. I appreciate everything you guys do and until next time, this is fair Chase.