How to Not Get Kicked Out of a Hunting Group (part 2)

Show Notes

Heath and Brent finish up the do’s and don’ts of group hunting. There are many things to cover that couldn't be covered in just one episode. They finish off talking about: 

  • Equipment 
  • Non-hound guys
  • Radio etiquette 
  • Dogs getting together 
  • Knowing where you stand
  • Collar interference 

Another great episode to help us all along on The Journey.

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Show Transcript

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BB, I hadn't seen you in a couple weeks, so how's things down your way?

Brent: Doing good. [00:02:00] Hunting as much as I can. I think we've caught a few more. I think we got, we took one more. That one had actually been wounded. A bow hunter had got nervous and ended up shooting him in the face with a nine millimeter.

And I tried to help find him and we tracked him 300 yards the evening he did it. Any of this to say we got him about four days later. But yeah, that nine millimeter with critical defense, hollow points that, that you definitely choose a little bit better ammo. If you're going to use that as a defense for a bear for

Heath Hyatt: sure.

Yeah. And I know Chris has done several podcasts. He did one with Underwood ammo and he done one with the Hornady. And I, both of those guys talked about, the hollow points and stuff. And plus he had a bad shot. In the mud, he, all he's done is made that bear mad.

Brent: Yeah, he did. Yep. I was glad we got him though, just because, you don't know if an infection ended up killing him later [00:03:00] on or whatnot, but I was glad we were able to go ahead and get him after he was

Heath Hyatt: hurt.

So let me ask you this. Did you know did you tree him or catch him on the ground? And. Either way, did you know, once you seen him, did you know that was the bear that, that you were looking for previously?

Brent: So we ended up training him. He made a little bit of a loop and ended up coming treed and no, didn't know it was the one we knew it was in that general area that.

Where he had been hunting but no, we didn't know it was the one, not until we got him killed. And I seen a hole in his head and I wasn't sure, it was a little tiny hole but I wasn't sure until we actually got the skinning him out that's what it was. But yeah, no, we didn't know until afterwards.

Heath Hyatt: Now at least, at least you got him, like I said, I know we had talked about it when I was down there. About having him. So that makes it better. Yeah. And what else? I know, like I didn't [00:04:00] get to hunt youth day. I had signed up to work one of the Virginia tech games, not realizing that it was youth day.

And then they had a three 30 game. So we got to be there four hours early. So I had to be there at 11, 1130 and. It takes me an hour to get to where I hunt and an hour back. I just, it wasn't feasible for me. So I haven't had the dog, the dogs have been loose in the yard, but I haven't had them in the woods since I come back from your place.

Brent: Yeah. Youth day, we went to central Virginia and it was, we was calling for rain, so we were lucky enough to get after. One first thing and one turned, they ended up keeping, they kept splitting up. So I think we ended up running four different bears and didn't take none of them. They were all on that smaller end.

So we let them all go for another day. But it was some good running, had some young dogs, had one young dog, kept one tree right by itself for a while. It would come down, then go 50 yards and treat it again. And [00:05:00] everything. The young dogs did good and they even did good cause it started raining while we were running.

And that's hard for a dog to make up that time on a bear when when it's pouring down rain they seem to get strode out a little bit easier, especially on a running bear. And but we were lucky, but I think we ended up bringing. Three of them and I caught two dogs on one they had one, so they brought it across the hard surface, and I ended up catching them off there, so it was a good day, and then today we went and found a track, struck it, and they could smell it down the road, trailed it down the road, got it jumped, and made a little bit of a loop, and Ended up treeing it on the smaller side again.

And so had a nice, pretty white V in his chest. And, but we ended up leaving him and let him grow and we'll take him another day, hopefully.

Heath Hyatt: That also, you did let the one go today.

Brent: Yeah. Yeah. Today. Yep. We let him go.

Heath Hyatt: Yeah. I couldn't [00:06:00] tell. He looked like he was pretty high up, so I wasn't sure how big he was or wasn't.

Brent: No, he was a little on the smaller side. He might've been close, but we decided not to take him and just we went looking again. I found where another one had gone, a bigger one. Had actually walked out of that block across the hard surface. I could see with the sand where he picked it up and carried it on his feet.

And that was a decent bear, but just went into a little block and we had permission and part of the block and not all of it. And so we didn't go after that one.

Heath Hyatt: Are you hunting the same two places you and I hunted? Yes.

Brent: Yep. Yep. Across that hard surface there. Yeah. Yeah. No, they, the dogs have been doing good.

They're getting a little amped up. They have they're not run down anymore for sure. They've recouped. I need to hunt them a little harder.

Heath Hyatt: Yeah. Yeah. My need to get out. That's for sure. But it's gonna be I've got to go up I'm going up [00:07:00] north. This weekend to teach our tactical tracking class, so I'll be up there for till next for a week basically teaching and then I'll get back here and Yeah, and listen until I come back down there our season comes in It'll be dogs will be they'll be up for a while for sure.

I need to get them out Getting my truck worked on too. While I'm out of town next week, I don't know if I've said this on a podcast or not, but, so I hit two deer during training season. The first one was a little deer. It was foggy both mornings. Couldn't hardly see. And the first deer I hit just dented the bumper in.

Didn't do a lot of damage. And then the second deer, which was the last. Day, the last day or the second to last day. It was during the early, that three day early season. Yeah, I plastered one in a curve and I knew it done some damage because [00:08:00] when it hit it made an awful noise. So I got out and looked. Of course, it busted my grill up and marker light and then it broke the bracket.

That the headlight, and it holds the headlight and the marker light in, anyway I hate turning stuff in on my insurance, but I did. So I could get that fixed. So I went ahead and bought the parts and fixed it myself. And, next week, when I'm gone, I'm putting me one of those big heavy duty ranch hand bumpers on it.

Hopefully it'll save the front end of my truck, the truck.

Brent: Oh, yeah. At least you got some time to get it fixed and ready for the season coming up. So that's a good thing anyway.

Heath Hyatt: Next time old rusty, it's not going to look the same. She's going to be pimped out with a bumper.

I'm even getting a back bumper. I don't know if you've noticed, but my back bumper is almost rusted in too. I'm actually, yeah,

Brent: I've seen the holes in

Heath Hyatt: it. I'm actually afraid to stand on it because I [00:09:00] feel like my 260 pounds is just going to flop us to the ground. But so yeah, I ordered me a front and rear bumper.

I'm going to put that on, and we're going to be ready to roll. Hopefully the truck will hold apart, hold together for at least another season. And then we'll go from there. If I make it through this season, then hopefully I can make it through another one. I don't know. Alright, let's get into the, let's get into the group stuff again.

Like I said, let's just go recap what we went over. We went over packing. Packing is, if you're hunting in a group, that's a big thing. Being able to do it right. Not overload the track. Face packing is horrible. Most of the time, most of the time we, we touched on that. What else do we touch on?

You remember?

Brent: Oh, we talked about thinking a little ahead and trying to, Head, head of bear, trying to think ahead as far as which way you might go and and trying to get in front and try and work as a team to to get [00:10:00] in front of them. So if one person's going one way, maybe somebody else ought to go or you ought to go the other way, type of situation.

Yeah.

Heath Hyatt: So we hit on that, but we're going to back up cause. Like I said, we left a lot of stuff out there. We're going to go back and start, we're going to, we're going to start with equipment. I know, I don't know the guys that hunt with us down there. I know there's always a couple of club members, but like for me the guys that hunt with us, even the ones that do not have dogs, we got Dave and Big Sam Claytor, of course, Claytor's got a dog now, I'm trying to think who else.

They don't have dogs, but they've got the GPS's, Dave went and bought him a drivetrack and got him a nice long range antenna he's got on, on the hood of his truck. Claytor's the same. Claytor, they've got dog boxes. They've invested. They've put out some money to come and hunt with us and [00:11:00] to be able to hang around and do whatever.

And nobody made them. That's just something they've done on their own. I don't know about the guys that I see with you though. What are they doing that? Are they just following along?

Brent: Some of them will have GPSs and most of them have dog boxes just because a lot of them are running deer dogs as well.

But a lot of them have GPSs. GPS is all of them have radios. Some of them will have the long range antennas. So it is a mix just depending on, if they're using it for other stuff, but most of the folks, like even in North Carolina, most of the folks that are just hunting, they will at least have a a GPS and then a radio.

So that way they can communicate.

Heath Hyatt: And that would be a necessity, right? Like you got to have a radio, so you know where everybody's at or. Know what they're, what's going on. And then a Garmin.

Brent: Yeah, the radio is

Heath Hyatt: key. Yeah. And then the Garmin, if you want to keep up, with the dogs I would say [00:12:00] that's pretty much the same.

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Brent: Oh, for sure. Even to the point of like when I go to Maine the guys that I've, Been [00:13:00] hunting with in Maine and our guides, they, it was to the point where I bought and took up, long range antennas shucks, I'd bought, radios. So that way they would have one in a truck.

So that we weren't dealing with handhelds things like that. Most of the guys that I've hunted with in Maine they. They have used rabbit beagles a lot up there even if they didn't have bear dogs, so they had an alpha usually so we could work together and, but yeah, making sure that they have that equipment where they can see what's going on and.

Get a lay of the land. I even let a buddy of mine use my drive track up there while I was using my tablet that I have. All that stuff definitely helps out when it comes to trying to be efficient and hunting as a group.

Heath Hyatt: I was going to ask, cause I was thinking about this today. You and I had talked about our next adventure, hopefully next spring.

I'm going to have to get another dog box for my. My other truck because it's my I just don't [00:14:00] my other one's not reliable to drive 12 hours away, but I was thinking today i'm like, okay, so Are you taking your? Your tablet with you, which I would assume that I was like, I know he does. So you're taking it and then you're letting somebody else use your drive track.

Brent: Yeah, that's what I've that's what I've done or did this past year is I took my tablet with me. Cause I can, the nice thing about the tablet is I can download the maps. For, the bird's eye maps for wherever I go, whereas the drive track, you got to have the SD card in order to get the bird's eye for each state that you're going to.

I really liked that tablet because I can just hook to a wifi connection and download whatever maps I need. If if I'm haven't been there before or something like that. So that tablet has been real. Helpful.

Heath Hyatt: And today I went and helped one of my buddies. We're trying, I'm trying to get him lined up.

He don't hunt with me. He hunts with another group. But I'm trying to get him lined up with his iPad. [00:15:00] And for me, like when I'm hunting here, when I'm hunting at home, I don't use the bird's eye. I just, I'd use the topo. And I've got all the trails and stuff, the AT runs through it, I've got all that stuff on it where it's marked and it's, very visible.

But when I come down to your place, the satellite image, to me, is way, I need it. Because of the land busted up, fields and how's I don't have that here. So do you use the satellite all the time or are you using, cause I never see you with just a topo.

Brent: Yeah. For the most part, I use the satellite.

I will overlay the topo lines if it's somewhere where there's. Mountainous areas. I will overlay the topo lines in there, but I do I like the satellite just because of, I'm the type I like to look at like the foliage. Here, you can [00:16:00] tell. You might have a better idea of where he could be laying based on the foliage that you're looking at from that satellite view versus looking at it from the from just a topo.

It's so cut up here and even up in Maine they do so much logging operations up there that's nice, especially if it's up to date. Sometimes it's a little older, but if it's up to date. That can really help you out as far as maybe getting an idea where that land ground would be or where he would might be traveling to.

Just to if you need to help the dogs out or or even if you're just going to go and try and walk and strike one that, that can definitely help out that way too.

Heath Hyatt: So that's a segue into our next thing about group hunting is, Does everybody in your group know the area, know where the bear crawls, know the roads that you need to get down to so your dogs don't get hit the places that you need to go talk to people and say, Hey, our dogs are [00:17:00] in here I think it's becoming more and more important, especially with the landowner stuff that's going on that, that we build that relationship, but within the group.

We can, I can say, y'all need to go down by so and so or go down here, so and so everybody in our group knows where that is. And that's, it's not, it's just a name we come up with. It's a nickname, I need you to go down here to, to Reds. And cut the dogs off, and everybody knows where Red's at, so they go down there.

I think in a group setting that's very important. And I know when I'm with you, I struggle a little bit because I don't know all the road names. I'm relying on my, my iPad when I zoom in and out to pick up those roads, so I know.

Brent: Yeah, it's it's hard. When you're talking about unmarked, say like logging roads, that's a little different because every club or group that you go to hunt [00:18:00] with is going to have a different name or they're, and they're going to name it themselves. Most of the time hard surface roads or actual named roads.

That's a little easier, but yeah, it's, it can be difficult. And that's one of the, Main reasons that, when you're trying to communicate on the radio and trying to get somebody to go a certain way that might not be familiar with that area that one, the person that's listening actually listens to the instructions that are being told and two that you give clear enough instructions to, so that way you don't have your buddy going up to the, the lady's house that, Doesn't like you hunting or something like that to make sure that you don't have those types of conflicts or cause a situation that's you didn't need to from the get go.

Yeah.

Heath Hyatt: Yeah. Like I said, no one, the air, we talked about knowing the dogs and what dogs are doing, what we, you also need to know the area you need to know. Like I said, where those crossings are, and where to get to cut the dogs [00:19:00] off. Don't cause problems here. Make sure, you're being respectful and asking permission.

I think, like I said, it, that's becoming more and more of a, an issue in the state. And it's something that we have to be more cognizant of. And the whole group should be on the same page. I don't know how everybody else operates, our group's fairly small, we've got, six, seven, eight of us total.

And, we talk, we're like, okay, this year, this is what we're going to do, this year. This is how we should handle this and so everybody has a a foresight of what should happen or should take place before we ever set, so we're in between that downtime, between our training season's over and we're going to wait, we'll wait till, deer season's over and then we'll get started back up.

We've had several of those common conversations during training season. How do you handle this situation? How do you handle that situation? Is that a typical group thing?

Brent: Yeah. I know for [00:20:00] us, if we're going to a different club, some, sometimes we might show up at a hunt club and we've never hunted with them before.

And we do our best to ask, to make sure we're in the right or whatever we're going to do. And then too, is when we. Or hunting more North Carolina, if there's a situation like that we make it pretty well known what you can and can't do or what the expectations are with the group, usually when we're getting breakfast in the morning or something like that, or we have a, the group of folks that kind of knows what you can and can't do, and then make sure that the folks that don't know are with them to make sure that the.

They're taken care of. So making sure you're buddied up or something like that, it definitely helps out in, North Carolina, they try to get down on the number of trucks and stuff like that, just so that way you don't have as much truck traffic and make sure that, you might not.

Some places or, you don't want to tear up the paths and things like that. So making sure you cut down on the number of trucks, even to the point of don't hit the [00:21:00] mud hole, straddle the mud hole or go around it, or, and some people just, go down the path and they'll hit every mud hole they can.

It seems and I just, you just shake your head, but yeah, even a little stuff like that, it goes a long way when you're hunting with a group. Especially if you're coming in and hunting on a club or land that, that you don't necessarily control how, what goes on it. To make sure that that everybody is happy at the end of the day, it's important to listen to those things.

And if somebody says something to you, no need to get. Upset about it. It's just, listen. If you don't listen, that might be more of a problem. But yeah it's definitely important. Little things like that. It could be, even as it could even come down to don't block the path.

That's another big things. People will pull up and they'll get out and start talking and here we are trying to hunt. And then they got the path blocked and you can't get around to to move around if you want to get ahead, the dogs, if you want to pack or something like that. And they, you got to wait for somebody to move a truck.

Little things like that can go a long ways.

Heath Hyatt: Yeah. [00:22:00] Yeah. I'd like to just a couple of times I've been in there with you. I can definitely see that. Just being respectful of what's going on and that kind of lead, I know we've touched on this before and we threw out several podcasts, if about being new and come, getting invited to hunt with a group or you're wanting to get started hunting and you want to go in and, bear hunters are cliquish.

They are. They're, they've got their own little, group and, outsiders are hard to get in. I know that for a fact. And, when you're trying to get in with somebody, you've got to, you've got to, be respectful and be willing to learn and be willing to, Maybe hold your tongue sometimes, and sometimes when you're in Rome, you do as the Romans do.

I've been told that several times throughout my 30 years.

Brent: Yeah, that can definitely go a long ways for sure.

Heath Hyatt: Brings us to [00:23:00] radio traffic because it's different from hunting with you guys. To hunting with my group and Doug said it on his podcast. Ain't no sense in talking if you don't have nothing to talk about, there's nothing to say.

So what about radio etiquette?

Brent: Yeah. I think it depends, if you're traveling and you're going to your spot or whatever, where are you going to hunt? If folks, a lot of times that's when you hear a lot of the banner back and forth of just the daily.

Just conversation, but then when it's time to hunt and you got dogs on the ground and you're trying to figure out, or get somebody to go a certain way or do a certain thing. And you're trying to communicate, but the radio is full or the channel is full. And people are talking about stuff that's not relevant.

That's definitely one of the things to look out for. The guys, you got some GPS and the dog, they're going here and going there and,[00:24:00] there might be times that you need to do that. But most folks, most of us. We get to the point that we can track each other's dogs.

And if we aren't tracking a dog, that information is relevant. But if everybody's tracking the same dogs and they're all, you could lay a blanket on top of all of them, there's not much of a need to tell tell the whole world where they're at and where they're going. can.

Can be irritating at times. For sure.

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Yeah, we, we probably talk too much. And I was thinking about this when you and I talked about this the other day, when I'm working, I'm basically, my car, I worked 12 hour shifts and [00:26:00] I'm in my car for the majority of that. Some days are worse than others. And I scan my radio.

So I'm listening to. I'm listening to the county's traffic. I'm listening to air traffic. I'm listening to Blacksburg traffic. I'm listening to fire and rescue. I'm listening to probably five or six different agencies on my radio. And I've gotten pretty good at blocking out the stuff that I don't need to listen to.

And then when something's important, say it, I perk up and listen, but it's nonstop, like it runs all day long. The radio never shuts up. And I was thinking about this the other day. I'm like, okay, I hate it. I hate having that. That buzz in your ear for 12 hours a day. And then when you go hunting, like maybe sometimes that's why I'm a little quieter than I would be because I hear nonstop in my professional life and in my, my home life or my passion or hunting.

I, [00:27:00] I just don't need it in my ear 24 seven. So I thought about that the other day and I'm like, you know what? I could probably cut down on my traffic. A little bit more. When I'm hunting and you're right. Unless you're unless you're tracking a dog or something's important and nobody's there, it probably doesn't need to be said a whole lot of it.

Brent: Yeah. I would say that, the important times of when you need to talk on the radio is if you are got a situation where you're trying to head and you're trying to figure out exactly where folks are going just to make sure to to use in your decision making process and where you, you're gonna end up going or if he's walking and baying, I've had times where you're trying to get in there on a bear that's walking and baying radioed and, one or two other.

Yeah. One or two other people are or doing the same thing. And it's one thing if you can track that person via the handheld then you [00:28:00] know where they are and it's not a big deal, If you can't, it's important that if you're going in there on a bear on the ground that, you don't have to have it cranked all the way up, where are you going to, where are you going to spook him off?

And if the dogs are doing like they should, when they're baying anyway, he's not going to hear it anyhow, because the dog should be barking enough where he can't hear it. Just have it up enough where you can hear it and you can answer where you are or what your plan is to try and get that game plan because you're constantly moving.

And, try and understand where each of y'all are and then try and adjust accordingly. I don't know how many times I've been on the radio and, you have, where we are, there's no topography or, you might have water where you can tell.

Folks where you are, but most of the time is the direction of the sun. You'll tell folks, I'm coming in on him and he's, the sun's over my left hand shoulder or something like that. Just to get an idea of the direction that you're coming in from and the way that you're approaching.

So that way, and then maybe they [00:29:00] asked me a distance or a distance. That you are, that type of information is important. I know a lot of people turn the radio off when they get close and on a bear and, if it's more than one person, if it's one person, I understand it. But if it's more than one person, that's that's going in.

On a bade bear it's definitely important to make sure that radio communication is available if you're not tracking that person's handheld.

Heath Hyatt: Yeah. I know for a fact when I go into a tree by myself, which is it's been, it was quite a bit this year, actually, my dogs got separated 150.

Yards, 200 yards, 550 yards. I just cut my radio off. Because somebody will key up about time you get in there. The bear will look at you and the next thing you know, it's belling and you're all, you're trying to grab dogs and everything. So that's just something that I've done through [00:30:00] time is I'll tell them when in fact, I remember hollering at Wesley, I was triggered off the north of the mountain one day, and I hollered at Wesley and I said, Hey, I'm about 150 yards out, I'll cut my radio off, I'll let you know when I'm in there. Cut my radio off, I go on and get my dogs tied up and holler back, okay, I'm good, we're here, whatever.

But that's just something that I do because, like you said, I don't want... I don't want that radio keying up and making the bear bail. And not that it happens a lot, but it has happened. In my experience, it has happened several times, so I just do away with it altogether.

Brent: Yeah. That's understandable.

If you're within 50 yards or something like that, you're close enough. Where, that's understandable. And, we have situations here where, bear be treated or something like that. But most of the time at the bear street and here, especially if they, it's when they see you, if they're going to come down, it's usually when they see you and as soon as they see you a lot of times, so they'll bail out.

So it, trying to get in there and. [00:31:00] Keep something in between you and the bear, brushing between you and the bear. Sometimes you have to do that. Then other times it doesn't matter if you're screaming at the bottom of the tree and he ain't gonna move, but you're a little different, with your topography and stuff like that with the and the open ground too.

It makes a big difference.

Heath Hyatt: Yeah. And a lot of times when we're coming off the, the steeps, you're. You're still 50 yards from the tree and you're looking at the bear in his face because it's that steep, you're like, I still hadn't made it down there, but I'm looking right at you because it's, the land is the way it is.

It's definitely different. So yeah, radio, just, a jibber jabber a lot of times just unnecessary, especially during the hunting time. And, there's been several times this year. This is one of the things that, that, that's happened to us is we'll have one, we'll have one or two, or we've had three different bear going this year.

Like my dogs were running one, one way. And Garrett and Sam's were going another way. And Greg's [00:32:00] and Wesley's or Forrest was going another way. And everybody's like trying to talk back and forth. And that becomes pretty annoying. Because you're trying to, you're trying to relay information. They're trying to relay information.

And this seems like everybody's just walking on each other. So that, that does happen. That happens to us sometimes. And I don't know that's, I think that may be not avoidable. Because everybody's trying to talk to somebody at the same time.

Brent: Yeah, we have that too. But it's when we have it, don't get me wrong. There are times that it's split up and different people are going different directions, but we also have it where you have a different club. That's bleeding over or they're close enough. You can pick them up on the right day.

If it's cloud cover or something like that, you can pick them up and they're on the same channel that you're hunting. Like that, you just have to adjust accordingly. It can be aggravating when you've been in an area for a certain amount of time. [00:33:00] And always hunted on a particular channel or something like that.

And the next thing you know, you got bleed over from somebody else who's moved in or another club that's decided to keep using that, but it's, it just depends on sometimes some days you have it and some days you don't. And it doesn't really, you just have to work around it the best you can, but The last time I was down here, we changed channels, unless you go ahead and you get the private

Heath Hyatt: channels.

Yeah. Yeah. The last time I was with

Brent: you we actually switched channel. Yeah. Last time you were down here.

Heath Hyatt: Yep. We just went away from it. Yep. Yeah, and we've done it. Everybody, all the local, like everybody that's local, and this will lead us into the next thing.

Everybody that's local kind of run their own channel. I, I don't know. I'm not even sure what groups are running, what channels. 'cause I never changed my radio. It just stays where I'm at. But I know that one group runs this channel. One group runs that channel, another group runs this channel.

So I haven't had to holler at 'em. Maybe catching a [00:34:00] dog or something or whatever. I haven't had to holler at 'em. To let them know. So I've not switched my radio. In fact, when we switched down at your place the other day, I actually had to call Forrest and say, Hey, how do you, how do I change my radio channel?

Cause it's locked on my channel and I don't know. So he was like hold on, let me get mine out. And literally you were you had went around the other end and had started. The y'all, your dogs have started and I was walking back to my truck while he was trying to tell me how to program my radio.

So I, I didn't have a clue.

So that,

Brent: yeah, no, no one had to operate it and program. That stuff definitely or knowing how to operate and program them radios or change them channels is definitely a key as well. That's

Heath Hyatt: I can do the one in my truck, but I, my handheld, I don't think I'd ever changed it. I just.

put it on my channel and left it. Yeah. So that leads us to the next thing. Like, how do you hunt around other [00:35:00] groups? Because that's becoming more and more common. You touched on it a little bit there, but like where we hunt National Forest we have several groups that hunt our area.

And for the most part, I feel like most everybody gets along and it's not a big issue. As far as what I see I would prefer my dogs not get hung up with other dogs, but it's going to happen because when you're hunting public land and your dog runs across a mountain and you don't know another groups in there and their dog comes across that mountain and you end up in the same valley, it just happens.

So how do you navigate that? How do you. How do you do that?

Brent: For us down here, we don't have as big of a problem with that. Our biggest problem is that they get off, say, land that we are, we have permission to hunt or whatever, and get onto another club or private property or something like that. If they get, get off somewhere that we can hunt, [00:36:00] reaching out and making sure you can go get them or whatever you need to do.

We just do that the best we can and then move forward. But as far as we have had some other groups and had them we've been hunting kind of two blocks side by side, and had them pack different ways. But you just do your best to avoid it. And then if they do, when.

Whenever you get the dogs up, you just get the dog from one place to the other, to whoever owns it. If there's packed our way, or if ours is packed their way, you just do the best you can to get it back to them or whatever.

Heath Hyatt: Yeah, it's funny you say that. Cause last year I had two, we, our group had two incidents and I was a guilty party of one of those, we were hunting this area and.

I, of course, I, when we're walking and I'm free casting dogs, most of my dogs, most of my dogs are loose and Greg had hollered and said that he had two dogs coming up underneath the road, the road that I was walking on, and so I was going back towards [00:37:00] him when my dogs heard the dogs and turned and went to them, and anyway, when My dogs shortcut the dogs that was coming to me.

I thought it was Greg's and my dog's cut went across the road, went up on the mountain. Lo and behold, the two dogs across the road. Coincidence, Greg had two dogs, two dogs were below me. But when they crossed the road, it wasn't Greg's dogs. Unintentionally, I had packed to somebody else's dog.

Didn't even know whose dogs it was at the time. Didn't even know they were in there. Didn't have no clue. But we ended up treeing on out the mountain. A good ways out the mountain, about three miles. And got into the tree. The forest gets a hold of them. And tells them, hey, so I literally, I grabbed their dogs and laid them out for them.

Trying to be polite. I, and I told them, I was like, hey I didn't know it was your dogs. I did not I'm not going to intentionally pack to them. I thought it was one of our group's [00:38:00] dogs. And Greg's had turned and went the other way. And his dogs had come across the mountain into the valley where we're in and crossed right, like right in front of me.

That was just complete coincidence. But, yeah I don't, and the other incident that we had was, we had a dog treed, they got into it, the bear come out he put two more dogs with it, and it crossed another group that was not local, and they had their dogs loose and had run and packed to the three dogs that was running, and then it become, it got into an argument about you pack my dogs, you pack my dogs.

And like I said, we know for a fact that the original dog had the bear tree cause they was got to the tree before it come out and seen it. And there was no other dogs there. So how do you handle those situations? How do it's to me, it's not that, it is what it is. You just grab your dogs and go on.

It's not worth, fighting over to me.[00:39:00]

Brent: Yeah. For me, I'm not going to. Stress about it. I just assume let the other group, take the credit and I'll just grab mine and my dogs and move on. Cause at the end of the day, it's not worth my headache. Yeah.

Heath Hyatt: That's how I feel. It's a bear.

It's like I said, the running into other groups is going to happen, especially when you're hunting the same area. It's just going to happen. It's just what it is. And I think everybody should recognize that before they ever. Decide to go hunting on private, on public land. There, there's a chance that you're going to end up with another set of dogs or you're going to run into other guys and if everybody can just get along, it works so much better.

Because it's not a big deal. It's a bear. It's not a competition to me. Okay. Have at it.

Brent: Exactly.

Heath Hyatt: Let's see. So we've we went over something else. We was talking [00:40:00] about we talked about starting tracks in the last one but we really didn't hit on it like in depth. We talked about rigging a little bit, we kind of hunt differently, but you had brought up, Turning dogs in when you're starting to track, don't overload the track.

Brent: Yeah. And going back to just starting actually starting, trying to get him jumped, one of the etiquette things, if you're starting from a central location, whether you got a track on the ground or you found in the path or you're starting from a bait site or something like that, if you're coming or coming into the group and, and I see it a lot, some people, a lot of people won't put a dog down right when you turn loose and if the tracks hot and you got a good track, usually doesn't hurt you, but then there are times where, you're trying to start that bear, that bear was there at seven, seven o'clock the night before.

And it's a cold [00:41:00] track and it's going to take some time and some, solid trail dogs to, to actually take and get that bear jumped. If you're bringing dogs or new or something like that, or your dogs don't trail that good don't go up there and just then and turn loose right behind somebody else.

And, a lot of times in the groups, you're going to have, the key person or two or whoever that. I think I heard it on another podcast, whether you're there or not, they're still going to catch the bear. It doesn't matter whether or not the other person is there, and those are the type of people that you need to listen to and make sure you don't step on their toes cause there's nothing worse than working to try and get a bear jumped.

And you're working to do that and then somebody comes in dumps a box and of puppies that doesn't, they don't know which way is right or they don't even know what a bear is like yet and just blows up a track that you're working to try or helping them trail dogs or trying to make sure them trail [00:42:00] dogs get off in the right direction.

Making sure, if you're starting at a central location, maybe wait until that person tells you to turn loose, if they hit it off good and that person, they tell you, all right, you can turn it all loose or send a dog in. Usually some of the dogs like I'm, I have, if they hit it off, good, it's hard to mess them up, but they can still get messed up.

But most of the time, if it's good enough track, they'll get it jumped regardless. But, understanding what you have in your box might not be as good as what someone else's, that you're relying on to get a bear jumped. And being mindful of that before you turn your dogs loose is definitely important.

Heath Hyatt: That's a hard pill to swallow, isn't it? Your dogs may not be as good as the one starting it. Man. That's hard. That's hard for people to, to say yeah, I. My dogs are more of a pack dog. My dog's not a cold nose trail dog. I know that when you and I hunt, my dogs aren't gonna cause you a [00:43:00] problem, but your dogs do a little better trailing than mine.

And I'm not dumping Yeah. All six of my dogs loose on you.

Brent: Yeah. That, that's the thing is knowing your dogs, if it's training season, it's not as big of a deal. But if it's hunting season and you're trying to get that bear jumped, during hunting season being mindful of what you're carrying in your box is important. And a lot of people have a hard time doing that.

There's nothing more aggravating than having folks that. Oh, let me turn this puppy loose with yours. And I'll look at him and tell him, no, you can hold him until we get him jumped, but if you haven't worked that dog enough during the summertime, and in my, and just my perspective, you have no business.

And turning loose a dog that you don't know what it's going to do or hadn't worked all summer long that, that we can't rely on as a group to get it jumped because if anything, it's more in the way and more apt to [00:44:00] cause a problem. I know those are harsh words, but it's, and it can be a tough pill to swallow, but it takes a lot of work to get to that point to get to the point you're constantly or consistently catching bear and doing that.

And it just takes time. If it's training season, that's a different story. It's not as big of a deal, but when it comes down to hunting season And hunting in a group, you better listen to what that group says, or, you might not get that invite back.

Heath Hyatt: It goes, just goes right into what you're saying. If if you can only hunt a week of training season and a week of a kill season, and that's all you're doing. And, you got, I'm just going to use Doug for an example, a man that's out there pretty much. Every week running his dogs.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to say, I know that this man that's hunting pretty much yearly year round. [00:45:00] That I probably need to ride his shirt tail a little bit because my dogs are not getting the exposure and the hunting and, just the time in the woods that, that he is. So I think that, that's where you gotta look at yourself and say, yep, I'm only getting the.

30 days this year and, BB got to hunt six months. So yeah maybe I need to say, Hey, BB, is it okay for me to do this? Or do you want me to hold my dog for a minute? What do you want me to do? So I want to participate, but you let me know when it's okay to participate.

Brent: Yeah, exactly. Communication there is the key. And some groups communicate better than others. It's definitely, one of those things that you might have to feel your way around a little bit to, to understand the do's and the don'ts, because me coming up, starting it because I was that guy.

I was the person that I was bringing dogs that weren't [00:46:00] capable of trailing and, that I was packing and stuff like that. But luckily I've been able to hunt enough. Decent enough pack of dogs and the know and can trust and rely on, I've gotten out of that kind of stage, I guess you could say but just being honest with yourself is so important.

Heath Hyatt: Yeah. And we go, we'll go back into, to the pack and everybody, each to their own, everybody does stuff differently. We all know that, but on a good trail and track, you just need a handful. You don't need a, you don't need a whole bunch of dogs. And the chances are that if you have too many, you're just going to mess it up anyway.

And, let those couple of dogs work and get it jumped. And when it gets it jumped, then, feed them in accordingly or whatever you got to do or how you do it or whatever. But yeah I understand that completely. And I've, like I said I've wrote some shirt tails here, within the last.

10 years where I've pretty [00:47:00] much rebuilt my pack and and I'm still doing it. Some, I'm still not where I want to be with my stuff. I'm not there but I'm also willing to,

Brent: yeah, I'm right there. Yeah, I was gonna say I'm right there with you. I'm not where I want to be, but luckily I'm able to hunt enough that, yeah, at least I know, I feel like I'm, I try to be very honest with what I have and that's the key, I think.

Yep.

Heath Hyatt: Yeah. Oh, Lance Hutton told me a long time ago, and I probably said it on, Some of the podcast is he'd always say above and beyond all else be true to thyself If you're not being truthful about your dog, you're just making a headache for everybody else. And that's what he'd say if your dog's running deer, he's running deer, just fix it.

If your dog's not doing what he's supposed to, put him in the truck. It's not hard. It's our ego. And we, and I talked about that on the podcast with Jeff Barrett, and there's been numerous [00:48:00] pictures that, a man's ego is a hard thing for a burden for a dog to bear because our egos are what gets in the way, it ain't the dog.

It's us. It's what our expectations are and where that dog performs at them or not. The dog don't know any better. It's us that are getting upset or whatever. But I always took what Lance said to heart and I think it's helped me. It's like I said, it's sometimes as bad as that taste is.

You just got to say, this is what I got, and this is where I'm at and I'm going, I'm working to get better. This is the dogs that I have. And like I said, if you look at those guys that are hunting a lot and, just, just we travel, we go where we can to hunt.

We get a couple extra days or a weekend and, getting the dogs out, keeping them busy throughout the year. That's not it's not cheap. It's not easy sometimes. Your [00:49:00] sacrifice in your vacation or your family schedule and stuff like that. Got down a rabbit hole on that, but you got to look at those guys and appreciate what they've done, what they do because they're putting in the work and It's you don't make a dog overnight.

It's a process with that's a part of the whole part of the journey here. It's a process and it takes time. And have you invested that time to get where those guys are at to be able to do those things?

Brent: Exactly. It's just, it's a respect thing, the, I look at it as, I. I hunt a lot. I try to hunt as hard as I can to have the dogs that I have and to be respect, for somebody to come along, all I'm looking for is a little respect to, to, especially during hunting season, to make sure that I'm able to.

Have them dogs perform like I know they're capable of and not to have somebody [00:50:00] getting in the way of that. And, hunting with a group is a big part of that. Turning loose and just having dogs, packing all that stuff that goes into it goes into that respect is how I look at it, having your dogs barking, going down the path, or when you turn loose at a bait and, you got a whole bunch of.

Dogs that are, especially on a cold track. If you've got a bunch of dogs and trucks at a bait that are barking in the truck or something like that, it can pull dogs back or do things like that. Little things like that can go a long ways. And if somebody says something to you, they don't mean nothing by it.

They just, they know what it takes for their, to, for their pack or their dogs to, to be able to perform the best.

Heath Hyatt: That's right. That's right. Anything else on group hunting that we may have looked over or left out? I think.

Brent: Yeah. Collars, collar numbers. So for us, two, three,[00:51:00]

Three guys that we hunt together all the time and making sure, if you're coming to hunt with a group or are new or something like that, making sure, trying to make sure that the collar interference isn't going to be an issue or cause a problem as far as being able to track collars. A lot of times what we do is, those caller IDs are the reason or how the interference occurs.

The first number it's 1 through 5, so we'll de, designate, if you call that a channel. And we'll designate, a channel to one person. So one person might be on the ones, one person might be on the threes, and one person might be in the fives. And then, we try to track each other's dogs.

So we stagger our numbers. So that way we can all track. All of our dogs at the same time. And that second number is where you have, you can track zero through 19 all in the same all at the same time, cause you can only track 20 [00:52:00] numbers that are 20. Items, whether it's dogs or handhelds at a time, so understanding that layout and what we do, if we have folks that are coming, a lot of times we'll tell folks, if you're in the channel for your numbers, aren't going to interfere with ours.

We might not be able to track yours all the time, but we can, with the new Garmin is now you can turn off and on the tracks to be able, or the dogs to be able to track them. But if it's, one of the biggest things we run into is if you've got a car, it's the exact same number, say a three dash, zero and you have two collars or three dash zero one, if you're real close to that collar.

And you have a 3 0 as well that's out, you won't be able to track it. It's going to have that interference. And you can track it if you get away from that person, but a lot of times you'll see that it'll jump a lot of times when you're on your GPS there. That's how we handle it. We usually designate the channels if it's channel [00:53:00] four for folks that are coming, to hunt with us, we know we're not going to have interference, but then we're also we might not be able to track all their dogs at one time, but we can put them in there.

And then with the 200 or 300 alphas, we can turn them on and off to track them if need be. So that. That works really well for us anyway.

Heath Hyatt: Yeah. I know that if everybody in our group is hunting and everybody's bringing their, four, five, six dogs that's been a huge issue with us.

So in fact, I'm going to recommend that we do what you guys did. Like I get one through five and Wesley gets, six through 10. Greg gets, 11 through 15 and then up to 19, however it is. But yeah we get, what we have done is like our main dogs, like everybody gets a dog or two and nobody interferes with those.

And then, the middle of the pack, there may be a dog or two that has the [00:54:00] same collar number. And in time you get down to your pups or whatever, I'm sure somebody else has got that number. So maybe we can switch away. We do things to on that and free it up because we. There's several, if you're, if we're tracking certain dogs, we have to cut the collars off so you can track them because even though I've got it on my handheld, I've got it turned off, deactivated.

My Garmin is still picking up that signal off of your dog in my truck. We've got to do some things a little different because it's, it was beginning of the season, it was pretty rough. And then we worked through it. And then of course, like Monday through Thursday, it's usually just me and Hot Rod and maybe Wesley, usually it's just two of us hunting.

So we don't have a big issue, but when everybody hunts, like we had six dogs on one channel and I'm like, that's why nobody can track a dog is because everybody's on the same channel. So we got to fix errors a little bit too.

Brent: Yeah, I think if they have that [00:55:00] sleep mode now too. And I think if you put that collar to sleep, I don't believe it transmits.

So that's another option versus cut, cutting the collar completely off. If you have a, I think it's a 200 or a 300, you can put it in sleep mode. Is that the

Heath Hyatt: 25s or is that a 15X?

Brent: No, I think it's, I think it's a, I think they have it in the 15X and I believe it's in the 25. The TT25s as well. Yeah. The TT25s I do think they are a little bit better as far as with that dynamic mode, it changes the update rate based on what the dog is doing.

So I think that does help with the interference some, but as far as if you need to turn it off, I think if you can put it in sleep if your collar, if you're able to put it in sleep mode, I believe then it, it doesn't transmit over the channel, that, that signal over the channel. So that way it should free it up, I believe.

Heath Hyatt: Is that all we needed [00:56:00] to talk about? Is there anything else that we left out?

Brent: You know what? I don't really have anything else that I can think of. I mean hunting as a group. I mean it can be a lot of fun a lot and efficient Especially if you got a group that knows How to operate but I think we've covered a lot of it, you know there's always rabbit holes you can get into one of the areas we get efficient Or as I say, gain some efficiency is, one good thing about our group is, when it is time to say, drag a bear out, we're good about, getting the rope, getting our puller and starting that process without having to really say much.

So folks are already grabbing the rope and grabbing the, our our cone that we use to drag them out with and the puller and Trying to figure out a game plan to get them out. That's definitely something that's a benefit, especially up in Maine. That's a huge thing in Maine.

Yeah.

Heath Hyatt: Everybody just pitch in, do your job. Be good.[00:57:00] I'm going to leave us with this cause we got to talking about people putting into work. And I found this quote a while back and I actually saved it to my phone because. I use it in my canine group, I use it at work, and I'm going to use it here, because it's that, to me, it's that powerful.

So we're going to leave you on this one. Most people just want to be in the result, and not in the process. And, it's in the process where you realize who deserves to be in the result. Just what we were talking about, the people it's putting in the time. You need to watch what they're doing and see what they're doing because they're the ones that deserve the result.

With that being said, I'll leave you. Thank you for helping us teach, train, and learn.[00:58:00]