HXP Hijacked by Clay Newcomb and Brent Reaves!

Show Notes

Clay Newcomb and Brent Reaves shouldn’t need any introduction. But, in case you’ve been living under a rock Clay and Brent host two wildly popular podcasts called Bear Grease and This Country Life. Clay and Brent are good friends and good folks and we get to have fun recording this episode from the MeatEater South Bear Grease Global Headquarters in Arkansas.

  • Why doesn’t everyone coonhunt?
  • How did Clay and Brent get their starts
  • Brent’s daddy was a famous foxhound man
  • Brent and Clay try to sell everything in the Houndsman XP Store


Show Transcript


Now that we own how the Houndsman XP thread, what can we do with this? Welcome to the Houndsman XP podcast hosted by Clay Newcomb. All merchandise is 75 percent off. Yeah, we're doing it 75 percent off all hats, shirts. Yep. And it's because the free oil changes. Houndsman XP didn't shut his dog box. And Chris will come to your house and change your oil.

Yep Chris Powell will come to your house and change your oil. Man, we're having a big sale at Hausman XP, Chris. 75 percent off everything. Okay was that your dog or my dog? It was yours. Okay. Yeah, but they're both the same size and I got really concerned because he'd probably depopulate this hole.

Yeah, he'd have a mule down out in the pasture for sure. He probably would.[00:01:00]

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What's our safe word? Yeah. Safe word. Wooly. If I say if I can work into the sentence banana Rama, but yeah, that [00:04:00] anorama is the safe word. We're rolling. So whenever you want to go. Yeah, I thought we were already recording. Okay. Yeah, so I'm Chris Powell I'm the host of the houndsman XP podcast and we're sitting here interviewing Brent Reeves and we got Clay Newcomb on the sound thanks for agreeing to run our tech Play the drop Phil just make a few little adjustments here.

We usually don't let sound guy say much. Yeah, no problem Oh Man No, we're in Arkansas. Glad you're here, Ben. Are you are you calling this a global, Bear Grease Global Headquarters? This is the Mediator South Bear Grease Global Headquarters. There you go. I knew there was a name for it. Yeah.

Yeah, it's a, I'm glad you guys sat down. You've been here before. I have been here before, back Bearhunting Magazine Global Headquarters. Absolutely. I love what you've done with the place. The barn looks great. Is there a [00:05:00] living quarters up there and stuff? Oh, yeah. Oh, it's nice. There is. Yeah. When Alexis and I come to town, that's where we stay.

Yeah. Yeah, it's nice. It's good. On a normal night, Chris, I would offer it for you to stay. But like I told you, today's not a normal day. I hear ya. There's no normal. I've got places to be today. I don't, I got places to be anyway, Clyde. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I understand. There's no normal, really. I was gonna say, the Newcomb normal is not, is a whole different level of normal.

Yeah. Anything else. It's... It's different. You were about to say weird. No, okay. You were, yeah I was. You're right. You're right. The reason I the reason I wanted to talk to you guys on the podcast is just catch up, see what you've been up to. You guys are obviously enjoying a lot of success with Bear Grease and you guys love to, you guys love to chase hounds.

Oh, yeah. Yes, we do. Yeah. That's probably numero uno on the list. Is that right? Oh, yeah. Is it for you, Brent? It is, man. I [00:06:00] retired, Chris. I'm like you. I joined the club. The Retired Police Club. It's great, isn't it? Yeah, absolutely. I say it is. How long? October the 31st was my last day to work. It hadn't sank in long enough with you yet.

I've been fighting a kidney stone since the day after I retired, up until this very minute. I have really not enjoyed Still in the fight. You should've phrased that, I'm in a fight with a kidney stone. Yeah, I'm in a fight, yeah. And I haven't really had time to relax. There's been a lot of There's been some discomfort and doctor's appointments and stuff, but I'm about to get it squared away.

A few months from now, a year from now, you'll be thinking, you How did I ever have time to go to work? For real? Yeah. Yeah. When my dad retired or before he retired, he would always make the statement, is he said, it's not that I don't like my job, I just don't have time for it. . . If you're like me, you'll miss a circus or you'll miss a monkeys, but you won't miss the circus.

Yeah, I gotcha. Yeah, a hundred percent. You'll miss the monkeys, but you won't miss a circus, so [00:07:00] Yeah, for sure. So you still hunting Wayland? I am. How old is Waylon? Waylon the Wonderhound. Waylon turned four years old on August the 15th. And how's Waylon bred? I never have heard that story. He is out of give me a minute.

He's a trim walker. We'll get it, we'll get that. Can we, do you edit anything? Give me a, give me a time out. Let's move over to Clay and find out what's going on in Clay's world. Because I have absolutely drawn a blank. Oh, man. This is like not knowing you. He's amateurs. Oh, absolutely.

Podcast amateurs. What is it? Say it. Bone collector. Yeah. He's a bone collector. Yeah, that real unknown dog. Yeah. You probably never you probably never heard of him but yeah he is a grandson to bone collector. No kidding. He is but let me tell you when I got him I'd never heard of him.

I'd been out of coon hunting so long or owning a dog [00:08:00] for so long, that I didn't know anything about Bone Collector. A good buddy of mine, Rex Whiting, drives up in my yard one day and says, I didn't know him from Adam, he just said, man, I see this dog box in the back of your truck. There's only kind of two folks that have dogs in this part of Arkansas.

Are you a duck hunter or are you a coon hunter? I said I actually do both. But I said, I got a coon dog that goes in this box here. I just got him. And he says, what kind of dog is he? And I said I got the papers. I'll show you. Come back here in the backyard. Now, I've never met this guy. I never knew him from, I follow, for all I know, he was casing the joint to steal stuff when I wasn't there.

So we walk in. Which still is undetermined. Yeah, Rex. I talked to Rex yesterday. I'm still wondering about that. But anyway, we walk in the backyard and I hand him the, I go in the house and get the papers. And he said, oh man, that's a bone collector dog. I said, is that good? He said, that's pretty sporty.

aNd. Just through attrition and trial and error I made a pretty decent coon dog out of [00:09:00] him. And he gets all the credit, but I had a lot of help from some folks too, he turned out, he's a good dog. He's all right. He's, so what is your background, Brent, as far as, with coon hunting?

You said you hadn't had hounds for a long time. Man, I grew up doing it. I grew up doing it and had dogs earlier before I got in law enforcement. Once I got in law enforcement, that, that career, just absolutely. forbade me from spending the amount of time to be able to. Brent's dad was a big coyote man, fox hunter.

Yeah. And had running walkers. Yeah. Also big squirrel dog men. Yep. Tree dogs. And so it come from a family. My uncle's as a, was a coon hunter. And had a lot, had some real good dogs. As a matter of fact, he had a, his best dog, and he'll talk about him now, was a tree and walker he had back in the seventies named Willie Nelson.

And how, and then, and now I got a dog named Waylon. So it was hand in hand but during my law enforcement career, I still coon hunted with a bunch [00:10:00] of buddies of mine that had dogs, but I didn't have one of my own. So you didn't take a hiatus from it? No. You still went. Oh, still went. But just didn't have a dog of my own, which was something that just when I finally got to the, the knot in the rope of my career at the end of it, I was able to start.

looking into getting me a dog. And I looked for six months before I ever went and looked at a dog. I talked to people for six months. I looked at pictures and I did this and that. And I talked to folks and I found him on Facebook marketplace. But if you didn't know bone collector, it was just what sent you the direction of to pick up oil.

They had this ad came up on Facebook marketplace for they had a six month old tree and Walker and there was a video of it barking at a tree. At a coon in a cage, and we all know that a poodle will bark at a coon in a cage, that don't mean anything. Sure. But there was something about that dog, and I had looked, Chris at literally [00:11:00] hundreds of dogs in that six months.

And when I say six months, I'm not kidding, it was six months. You were obsessed. I was obsessed with looking at pictures, and talking to people, and calling, and texting, and emails. And finally, something about that dog appealed to me. So I contacted the... person. Turned out it was a young lady and said, I want to come look at this dog.

And I said, I live 45 minutes from where y'all live. She says that address is not right. We moved since we posted that. Now we live in Southwest Arkansas. It was three hours from my house. And I said I've already said, I told you I'd come to look at it. There's something about this dog. I want to come see it.

I want to come look at it. And I drove up there and these folks had, were of Very humble. home life there and they obviously were selling the dog out of necessity and the conditions the dog was staying in were subpar to say the least. They were good folks and they were doing the best they could and so [00:12:00] I thought, at the least, Through divine intervention, I'm here to rescue this dog and get him out of this condition.

I can get my money back on him because they don't want anything for him. And, he's registered, good looking hound. He just, his confirmation was good. He just looked good. And I said, okay, I said, I'll tell you what, I'll I'll give you 300. He said I'm just asking 250. I said I got all I got.

I felt sorry for him, right? Brent does most of his business in 300. And so I gave her 300 and we're walking. And I asked her, I said does he got a name? She said, yeah, his name is Waylon. And it's it's some singer or something. I don't know anything about it. And when she said that, I thought, wait a minute now.

Cause Waylon was, that was my, that's my guy. I've always been a big fan of that. And I thought maybe I'm, maybe there's something to this. What's your favorite Waylon song? Oh, I've always been crazy. I've always been crazy. But it's kept me from doing what? It [00:13:00] kept me from going insane.

Exactly. I don't know how much truth there is to that. But anyway, I get him home and the day I'm bringing him home they called Us from school. That was the day the COVID stuff started and I had to go to school and get my little girl out of school. It was in March of what? 2020 and that's when all that started.

So I was working from home. My wife was working from home. My little girl was at home at night. I didn't have anything to do, but take that dog hunting and. That's what kicked it off, man. We were hunting probably, oh, four out of seven nights. Is your dog out? Maybe. Is, You guys keep telling the story, Brian.

I'm gonna check and see if that's tough. Roger that. I don't, they probably let my squirrel dog out. What's happening here, folks, is Chris is making a mad dash. My, Chris brought his little Jag Terrier. [00:14:00] to Arkansas and he drove a long ways. And so he had it out earlier. Tim, the squirrel dog, Tim, the squirrel dog was out too.

And we were worried that the Jag Terrier and Tim would get into a fight. They're both going to duke it out. Yeah. And anyway, Chris just perked up his ears and ran out and said, I think my dog's out. He had it in a dog box though. Now that we own how the Houndsman XP thread, what can we do with this?

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Come to your house and change your oil. Man, we're having a big sale at Housman XP, Chris. 75 percent off everything. [00:15:00] Okay was that your dog or my dog? It was yours. Okay. Yeah, but they're both the same size and I got really concerned because He'd probably depopulate this whole new comrade on those pigs, mules.

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Did he do all right? As you got the hang of this podcast. We took over hosting for a few minutes. There, you may want to, you're probably going to want to proofread this, but no, you don't just let it go. It's all good. But anyway, we hunted, I hunted him a lot, man. There was nothing else to do, and I wasn't, we couldn't, there wasn't no way everything was closed.

There was nowhere to go. There wasn't, we couldn't hang out. So when, uh, Alexis and Bailey, my wife and little girl went to bed, me and Waylon went to the woods. There you go. That's what it takes to make them. Man. I tell you, shoe leather. Burning shoe [00:17:00] leather. And that dog, I talked to my friends and older hunters, more experienced hunters, and I said, this is what's going on.

Okay, do this. Or just let the dog, just let him have an opportunity. And that was the best thing that I did was taking him out and exposing him and letting him find out his purpose. Because he had drive. And if you've got a dog that wants to get out and go. I can pretty well square away everything else, but you can't get, you can't make one that's exactly right.

And it's been my experience anyway. So I did what they told me, to the letter, I took him out there and the opportunities that, and gave him opportunities to do right. And when he did right, he got praised for it. And when he did wrong, he got corrected and we just did that continuously. Four and five nights a week to the point now where I haven't been hunted in, he ain't been hunted in a month because I've been dealing with all this other stuff, but if we go tomorrow night I'm, when I cut him loose, [00:18:00] I'm confident if there was a hot track somewhere close, he's going to find it.

We're going to tree a coon. How involved were you in the the coyote fox hunting stuff? As an observer, my dad was, he was it, when my dad's funeral, I had a man from Louisiana that I had never met come up and told me, he said, son, you have never met me. And there, he said, if you look around here, there's probably 400 people at this funeral.

He said, but as long as there are coyote dogs and men that hunt them, your daddy will never die because he is known forever. I was, what kind of dogs did he have, Brent? Run and walkers. Run and walkers. Yep, and absolutely hated a July dog and the best one he ever had, he'll tell you was a July.

Yeah. Yep. But he hated them. But he hated them. Classic Reeves. Absolutely. Oxymorons or heavy on the moron. A lot of people don't know this story about me. I always say friends don't let friends hunt walkers, but one of the best dogs I ever had was a [00:19:00] walker. He was a just common bread Walker out of Kentucky.

Yeah. And when I was getting married. the second time. I'D learned some things from my first marriage. And so I thought I'm going to send some hounds down the road here just to get off to a good start the second time around. Sure. And He went on to, to be a heavy hitter, won the PKC state race or was placed in real high.

He was a contender for it. I don't think he won it. He was a contender for it. Made him grand night champion. He was just, he was a nice dog and he was trim Walker dog had half a white face ugly as built like a tank, beautiful built dog, but most people saw him like, and it just hated his looks.

But that's okay. Yeah. I like them ugly. Yeah. They're easy to find. You seen the picture of Waylon? No, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding, Brad. Yeah. Here we go. I'm kidding. It's two against one. I want to come back to the, [00:20:00] I want to come back and get more on that Coyote Fox Mountain story. Sure. In a minute. Clay, how did you get involved?

I don't know that my dad drilled into this. So my, my grandfather, this is a picture of him right here. Lewin Newcomb was a bird dog man. He was the quintessential Southern bird dog trainer, not professionally. He didn't train dogs for money. He was a pastor. But he, from the time, the whole, my whole life and decades before I was born he would have had, he would have had dogs that he was trained.

Big bird dog, man. And I had bird dogs when I was young. He gave me some started dogs. I got a bird dog when I was in the sixth grade and we had a few quail and hunted. I like to say that's where I got the love for hunting with dogs. Yeah. Was with bird dogs. Quail, were essentially gone by the time I got into it [00:21:00] and it didn't take me long to Realize that quail hunting was a dead end and my grandfather was getting older and I was actually the way it all started was we were deer hunting, bow hunting for deer a lot.

That's what my dad's main thing was. He didn't really care about the dog stuff. I was scared of the dark. To make a really long story short, I was petrified of the dark. And I remember one time dad telling me, he said, you ought to start coon hunting. So that you could be, get comfortable out at night. And he probably doesn't even remember saying that, but it planted a seed in me.

And my best friend's family were coon hunters. And we started the first time I went coon hunting, I was in the ninth grade and I went with a guy that had two blue ticks Teresa and trooper who went out in big national forest in Western Arkansas, where I lived and. It was just exciting to be out at night.

It [00:22:00] was a group event. I'd mainly done solo bow hunting or just quail hunting with my grandfather. And here we were with, uh, four or five people and we were, it was just a lot of fun. And I remember they cut those blue ticks loose and I couldn't take you to the spot. I could probably get you within two miles of it where it happened.

But I can, I could draw a picture. A painting of where they tree that night and they tree right on top of just a pinnacle mountain down in the wash taws that fell off on in every direction. And right on top of that little mountain they tree. And man, he shot that kuna of that tree. And those, it was like anything I'd ever seen.

And I was hooked. I loved it. I just, I, it was just something new really. I was 14. Yeah. And, and I hunted with them for probably, for that winter, Tresa and Trooper, and Mike Vest was the guy's name. No. Not Mike Vest. Mike Parks. His dad's name was Vest. Vest Parks was. [00:23:00] And within six months, my best friend's dad instigated us buying a pair of blue tick coonhounds.

Yeah. And we drove an hour and a half. And I looked in the Arkansas Democrat Gazette, found a, six week old registered blue ticked coonhound pups for sale, called the number, guy said, yeah, I've got some pups. We went over there, we came home with two, Macy and Maddy. And and hunted them for, they were the first Coon dogs I had.

So Brent got his pup off of Facebook Marketplace and you got yours off of the 1990s, the one Facebook page. Yeah. 1990. Marketplace, I think it was 90 19 94. There's actually a picture of me in Full Cry. In sometime between 94 and 96 with with my second pup that I got that I progressed to. What was the context behind your picture being in there?

I sent it in. It's just like in the reader's [00:24:00] photos, I gotcha. Yeah, in the readers photos. Do you have the issue or anything? Man, I used to. I wonder if Danny or Jason Doobie could get us a pup. I told Jason. I bet they could. I can't pin down which one it is, but I I just, I was so proud of this little pup.

And it wasn't those pups. It was the second blue tick I got. Cause I, I hunted those dogs and they didn't turn out real good. And me and my best friend, I learned real quick about houndsmen. Me and my best friend like split up, like big time. We had a fracture in our relationship because we were partners on these Blueticks and they just weren't turning out that good.

And so about a year and a half in, I was like, buddy, I'm out. And oh, for real, he wouldn't talk to me for a long time. Really? We finally made up. Yeah, it was a big deal because I handled it wrong. His dad, my best friend's dad, actually, he handled me really well. He actually called me out one night out of the house and he said, [00:25:00] Clay, I want to talk to you.

And basically he said, I don't think you really handled this the right way because I just was like, these dogs are not what I want. I want out. I want you all to buy me out. I just didn't have a it was just a kid, stupid kid. And he was. And he was like, this is probably how you should have done it.

And I was like, oh, okay, I get it. Anyway, life lessons just came flooding in with the dogs. Partnership on dogs is rough. Yeah. Man, that is a rough deal. I've done it a few times. It's only worked out. I've done it more than a few times. It's only worked out a couple times. Yeah. That Walker dog I was telling you about.

I bought that dog. I actually took out a loan to buy that dog in 1992. Wow. Yeah. And I didn't couldn't come up with all of it and I didn't want to borrow all of it So I talked a [00:26:00] buddy of mine into going into and the two of us grounds up enough money to do that I mean you talked about stupid About not handling things, right?

Taking a loan out to buy a dog is not this probably the best thing to do, and so When I was actually a conservation officer at the time I was getting reassigned I was gonna move I didn't want to give up the dog I bought my buddy out and that one worked out Todd and I are still you know, we're still friends I haven't seen him for a long time We call each other up and enroll and then the other one was the partnership I had with Donnie Walston on big country It was just very We knew each we knew our roles and we didn't get out of it.

Yeah. Yeah, and But Donnie had the final say on everything, and I was good with that. Yeah. But it's treacherous. Yeah, partnerships are good if everything is ironed out at the beginning. If everybody knows what their role is to play, then you can go with [00:27:00] that. But what you two clowns, Clay, were doing, that was doomed from the get go.

Yeah. Yeah, it was. It was. Yep. Both of ya, in your podcast, Country Life, This Country Life, and the Bear Grylls podcast, you guys talk a lot about hounds, and, that life, what is it about hounds that made an impression on you, Clay? To keep going back to that. And talking about that.

Yeah. What is it? Yeah. I didn't realize what a, yeah. What a vat a well of resource that it was for me to have had early history with Hounds. 'cause I don't know that I would've gotten into it if I hadn't when I was young. I was, it was, I was very impressionable that, that period of time in a young man's life, 14, 15, 16 years old, just a lot of what you're exposed to during that time sticks, even if you don't see the immediate fruits of it, [00:28:00] because what happened with me is I had those initial two dogs that I got out of, I had one other dog that I raised to completion, who was a coon dog, but not a great dog at all, but we killed coons with it.

Sure. And then I had, I got another blue tick directly out of, uh, Northern Blue Levi. Okay. One of the world. Yeah. Ron Taylor's dogs. Crooked Creek. Old man named Jackson over in Harrison had a crooked Creek line of blue ticks. That was, they advertise in the full crawl all the time. He had crossed with Northern blue Levi and I got a pup out of them.

And then I went to college. So it was only, it was a short span of time, right? About five years. I hunted as serious as I knew how, which I didn't know a thing, but we just went and I. Really took it on as something I enjoyed. And when I went to college I couldn't hunt and basically my first year of college I got out of dogs.

And then [00:29:00] when I had a family, my kids were young, we got a blue tick about 2004, that was Also out of the Northern blue Levi line and never hunted that dog. Just had it as a pet for a while. Two years later, a buddy of mine gave me a Cole coon dog named cheater that he was a real serious competition, man.

And he. He had a dog that wouldn't hunt. He said it was a good tree dog, but it just didn't have the drive. And he gave it to our family. And we had Cheater for several years. What kind of dog was Cheater? Registered Blue Tooth. And Cheater would go out from the house here and tree coons. And Cheater ended up getting stolen.

So that was 2004. And then I didn't have dogs again until about 2000. It was about an 8 or 9 year gap. And that's when I got into plots. And so to answer your question, what was it about it? It's just as, hunting with [00:30:00] hounds is just such a primitive thing. And I'm attracted to things that are, that I think are foundational inside the hunting space.

And, partnering with a dog is about as old as it gets in terms of primitive things that people can do. And the oldest documentation of hunting, we said this a thousand times on this podcast. Is a cave wall drawing of a man with a dog hunting. Yeah. It's primitive. It goes way back.

Yeah. Yeah. I Think that's the stuff that's tapping inside of me when I hunt with a dog. And I've always loved coon hunting because I remember thinking this when I was a kid too. Somehow I was already thinking ahead, but I thought if I have a job in a family, I'm going to be busy during the day, but I bet I could do something at night.

Yeah. I really thought that when I was like 15 years old. I think my dad had planted [00:31:00] things in my mind you gotta be, you gotta watch your hobbies, you gotta keep your life balanced. And I thought, I can coon hunt when everybody's asleep. Yeah, there you go. And to this day that's a thing. So many...

The most that I've hunted in my life was basically there was about a five year stretch when I was hunting my good plot female that we hunted a lot. For me, I hunted a lot. In the winter, for about four or five months, I hunted a lot. And man, so many nights I would be leaving my house at eight or nine o'clock after I'd done stuff with the family or done whatever I needed to do.

And I would think, man, about everybody I know is bedding down probably in front of the TV to watch Netflix right now. And here I am out having the adventure of my life. That's the way I thought about it. And I felt like I was stealing from this place that people didn't have access to.

You know what I mean? In my life, it's like I'm just looking for [00:32:00] places to, to, to find enjoyment, to find pleasure coon hunting to find excitement. And man, going out at night with a dog is just exciting. Never know what's going to happen. Yeah. So I really enjoyed it that, uh, last December. So I guess it's coming up on a year.

My female died and been in the hunt for a coon dog since then. I gotta be honest though, since I'm on the Houndsman XP podcast, I don't want to sound like a hero. I've enjoyed not having a dog. This one is hot off the press folks. Literally. It's a print magazine designed for Houndsman.

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That also includes tailgate talks, which are like many podcasts every week that Seth is pumping out there. There's articles, there's videos, there's benefits for the sportsman's alliance. There's tons of discount codes for all of our vendors. You can check it all out at HoundsmanXP. com. There's a lot of pressure when you have dogs.

Yeah. And if I don't hunt mine, I walk, if I go, if I get busy doing [00:34:00] other stuff, I start feeling guilty. Yeah. It's it's an obligation and I've found... God bless Roy Clark. I know he's got a ton of dogs, but I can't walk past dogs and not take them hunting. It's hard on me, and I know they're hunting every day and there's a different reason for that but for me with coon dogs and things like that.

And it's hard, but I even have to get my bear dogs out and just take them out and hunt them. And it's not coon hunting. I'm telling you that right now, they're not coon dogs. I don't have a coon dog to my name right now, but there's an obligation. You feel a sense of obligation to them to get them out there and let them do the things that they want to do.

But, there's been tons of people that have been exposed to coon hunting at the same age as you were. That didn't do it, they didn't pick it up. So what's your thought? Why is that Brent? Man, as far as like my history of staying with it for so long, it was just so ingrained in me, and I [00:35:00] got two, two older brothers and.

One of them could care less about it. And my oldest brother, Tim, who I talk about a lot hunting with, he enjoys it, but not to the point of having a coon dog. Now he's got tree dogs, squirrel dogs and stuff, but there's in my family, it was hunting dogs, someone, one type of dog or not exactly one type of dog, but a dog that it was utilitarian that was serving a purpose is either bringing groceries on the table or.

It was herding cows, it was providing a function. I've got an old picture in the 50s of my great grandfather holding an eight point buck in a pair of overalls with a Pocket watch just like you got right here and in the background is laying is a tree and walker coon dog laying back there And it's one of my most favorite photographs.

The deer's in the overalls? The deer was not wearing the overalls But he had the pocket [00:36:00] watch. He had the pocket watch. Okay, got it. But the It says, to me, that, that whole, that description right there, and you can see the, you can see an old picket fence where our, my great grandfather's house was, right there in that photograph.

And to me, that says so much about my family. It was, we lived close to the earth. We liked simple things. He was providing, he was having fun. He shot him a buck deer in the 50s. There probably wasn't a whole bunch of them around Arkansas during that time, and that coon dog was laying in the back. Was it a coon dog or was it a deer dog?

No, it was a coon dog. Okay. I got you. Yeah. It was a coon dog laying back there and it just, that never, that passion never left my family. I've got four brothers and I'm the only one that the bug bit. They've all been, I've taken every one of them. Did your folks, did your, did you grow up in it, doing it as a kid?

No, my, my folks [00:37:00] didn't. My uncle did. My grandfather, my great grandfather was an outdoorsman, bird dogs, I remember, my earliest memories are bird dogs and quail and things like that. But I've told this story a bunch before, but, it's through my uncle and there was just something about those hounds.

That just piqued my interest. I remember flipping through, I'm, I might've been a weird kid, but I, we had the whole collection. Yeah. We all, can we vote on that? Yeah. The Foxfire books. Oh yeah. You flip through the Foxfire books, the originals, and I remember those pictures of Gola Ferguson and some of those old timers in there from Appalachia that just reeled me in.

It's just something about real man and I just kept at it all those years until I finally got my own dog at about the age, it was right at the age of [00:38:00] 13 and there's been a few years there where I didn't have dogs due to life and military service and things like that. Yeah. Yeah. And, but I remember being in college.

We were, I didn't have a hound when I was in college and we were out scouting a place to deer hunt and I heard some. Dogs running back on bus run Creek and it was a public hunting area called mini ha in West central Indiana. And me and a buddy of mine, we're just going to slide right over that name.

I guess. Yeah. Mini ha. Sounds like a joke. It's a small, little, it's a little joke, but anyway, I heard those hounds running. And this buddy of mine was with me and I made him trudge all the way back through there to go see what those hounds were doing. And we found them running up the creek right there.

Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, and they were just out during the day. They were right down on the creek bank. I imagine they, they were young dogs. I'm sure some houndsman probably sure. I'm sure that some houndsman was just letting their young [00:39:00] dogs run. Yeah. No, like we. That's the best way to raise one of my opinions.

Let them find out their purpose in life on their own until they do start trashing, then get them up. Yeah. But Yeah, it was just amazing. I walked all the way back there through that area and through all kinds of briar thickets and stuff just to see what those dogs were into. Man, you're answering that genetic code that's in you.

That's what you were doing. Yeah. That's been ingrained in us since we started hunting dogs 15, 000 years ago. I think there's something to it, but not everybody gets it. Not everybody. My brothers are like, what are you doing? My parent, my dad was like that. He's I don't understand this at all.

Bird dog guy, yeah. But I think there's something to that. It hits some people, not all of us can be the little Billy from where the red fern grows. It saves up pop bottle money and walks and hitchhikes and carries home puppies in a sack. Yeah. All the way to Tahlequah. Yeah. [00:40:00] All the way.

All the way. Yeah. What a journey. Yep. Brent, let's get back to that running dog deal because that's something we talk about. Not enough, but something that totally intrigues me. Yeah. The whole running dog scene is something that a lot of big game houndsmen are starting to add more running dog into the training dog side of it for track speeds.

Some of the Southern people have been doing it for years, but it's starting to gain more traction outside of that. Yeah. What was your grandpa's history with the well, or was it your dad? My dad? Yeah, dad. My dad's history. Yeah, he it was a From the time he was a young man. I'm talking like, you know when his late teens early 20s That's when he started getting running dogs, and it was a big a cultural community thing down there in that part of Arkansas where I was [00:41:00] raised.

Folks had hunting dogs, they had bird dogs, they had tree dogs, and they had running dogs. And they'd run deer, coyotes. And then they'd have dogs that would tree squirrels and coons and then, and point birds. And that was the dogs that we had there and, herd dogs, colony dogs to, to move cattle around.

But his whole deal was running, was walker dogs, was running coyotes. And they called it, they called it fox hunting, wolf hunting, that was the. That was the colloquial names of it. But they were chasing coyotes is what they were. Yeah. The old Texas guys used to, they still call themselves wolf hunters.

Yeah. And matter of fact, my dad's CB handle was the curly wolf. That was, yeah that curly wolf. Yeah. His hair wasn't curly at all, but They didn't want to run fox because the fox just made little loops like a rabbit. They didn't run for them. They wanted to stretch a coyote out and hear those dogs cover some country.

And the part of the fun was keeping up with them. There wasn't no GPSs. There wasn't all the GPS was in my dad's [00:42:00] head. My dad probably knew that part of Arkansas and those river bottoms where we grew up as well as anybody. And he'd say, okay, them dogs are headed towards Little Lake. We need to hit the lower potlatch road.

And we'd be. Two, a mile, two miles from there and we jump in the truck, man, it was the dukes of hazard. Yeah. Turned into a moonshine. Turned into a moonshine ride. Absolutely. And get down there and cut them off and we'd slide to a stop and jump out of the truck and boy, here they come. Yes. Sand in a rail.

And the deal was, and it was just the opposite of coon hunting for me. It was all the dogs need to be together because whoever's in front, that's the guy that's getting all the glory, they're wanting a faster dog, and they want them all to be together.

Everybody's in the race. And then you swap over to coon hunting, and if your dog was going left, I won't mind going right. I don't want him following yours around. So it was two sides of the coin there that I grew up looking at. But having [00:43:00] the coyote hunting was so much fun to me because we could sit in one spot and build a fire.

And we sat there and talked, and I would be 10, 11, 12, and up until I was 16. You didn't cook any hot dogs or anything, did you? No, 10 tons of them. And then we, and there'd be all my dad's buddies around. And I was getting education. I, so I never met Brent's dad. They called him Buddy. I feel like I have just through Brent and all the different stories, but this last spring we went and spent some time with, it's a long story, but a friend, a family friend, that was Buddy's friend, that's now Brent's friend.

Anyway, I kinda saw who Buddy was through the eyes of this guy I'd never met before. And basically, Buddy was just like the classic ringleader. [00:44:00] oF this crew, a running dog, man, just well respected. Everybody loved him. Big character, big fun, had good dogs. Everybody that, he was just like the classic ring leader.

That's the way I interpreted it. Oh, a hundred percent. And they, and because Toby is our buddy Toby Niemeyer. And Toby Niemeyer up in Central Missouri he, he had story after story about Buddy Reeves. And, and because Buddy would go to Central Missouri to run dogs with them. Yeah, they'd hunt up there and Toby'd come down there and hunt with us.

And Toby, to this day, is a big running dog man. Yep, and got some, he got two good coon dogs too. Yeah. Oh yeah. It's funny you said about them mixing running dogs in with bear can I talk about Toby's dogs? Oh yeah. The bear dog guys are doing shorties running dogs on, on lions out there in New Mexico and doing lion studies with those running dogs.

Yeah. I've seen some stuff. He's been doing it up in. Northwest and shipping dogs [00:45:00] out, really? Yeah. He was saying he had done some bear hunting with his running dogs from Missouri. And I went to, was it Wisconsin? I think so. And those guys were real impressed with the stamina of those running dogs and their speed.

And they were wanting to, they were like, Hey, we want to get some of that. It was interesting. That is something, that's what's peaking my interest, yeah. Because when you listen, Heath did a podcast a few weeks ago. Yeah. With a July guy that hunted July, and he talked about these dogs running 150 miles in three days.

Wow. He is having incredible stamina. Yes. And so you look at that's not just conditioning. That is selective breeding for that stamina for foot, for bone structure, for all of that stuff that, that you have to accomplish to get in to that kind of a performance in a dog. anD I don't see that happening in [00:46:00] that kind of concentrated breeding for, competition, coon hunting, you got to be able to hunt.

Two rounds a night and, it's not a piece of cake or everybody be doing it. But when you're talking about that kind of stamina, that's a whole different level of stuff that's way up there. So when you're talking big game hounds, that's one of the things you're looking at is looking for those dogs that you can run day after day, multiple days in a row.

And have the, the foot composition, foot toughness, joints, the whole nine yards all rolls in there. They've got to be incredible athletes. Clay, think about when you and I were with Straits of Dio out in New Mexico on those, we were out there, what, six days, five, six days bear hunting every day.

And man, we hit, we were on mules. We were riding, everywhere from 14, 17 miles a day on the mules. You can times that by three, got those dogs recovering and we did it every day. And it don't take long to add it up.[00:47:00] We put on 23 miles, 30 miles on a dog. Easy on, on, out there with shorty, when I Bobcat hunt with him, he reset the garment at the end of the night.

You got 25 miles on a dog. Yeah. Yeah. I can couldn't hunt a lot of nights and unless I've got a bunch of trashy dogs, I'm not running them 25 miles. If I'm walking 25 miles, I better be something's after me being chased. Yeah. Yeah. But let's switch gears a little bit because I want to talk about your podcast and the successes you guys have had with bear grease and this country life because I have tried to Set my show up to inform people what is so important about the narrative and telling stories And you guys are doing [00:48:00] podcasts that are, your show every week is I'm going to talk about this, but first I'm going to tell you a story.

That's how you start yours. Brian, every podcast you do is a story. And you've risen to the top of the game with your storytelling and the way you put these shows together. Why did you pursue that, Clay? Why did you set up your podcast to tell that story? What kind of values does it bring to the hunters in the outdoor world?

I think it's probably like a lot of stories of something that became successful. Is that when it started, you didn't really think it would be. It's not like from the very beginning, we knew that this was going to work as well as it has but, and I never honestly considered myself a storyteller.

I'm not saying that to sound contrite. It's just the truth. You remember that podcast we did that was supposed to be about storytelling? Oh yeah. And we all fumbled all over [00:49:00] ourselves and didn't tell a good story the whole time. We sold some decent stories. But then here you come and boom you're telling these magnificent stories, but there's a value in that story.

Yeah the baseline of Human, human communication outside of hunting or anything is, our stories carry our values and people whether we think we do or we don't, humans love stories. Everything is carried by a story. And at Bear Grease, we just started telling, These stories in a documentary style, which was a kind of a unique style for a podcast and which basically means we have multiple, we'll have a topic and we'll have multiple guests and I might interview somebody on any given Bear Grylls.

I've interviewed at least two people for probably an hour and a half to two hours each and I will whittle that down into a. A [00:50:00] 55 minute podcast. And so you're cherry picking the best parts of these conversations and then piecing them together with voiceover. And in, in that method of storytelling, you're able to really tell a complex story very efficiently.

There's no fluff. And so it just, it works. But no, it wasn't until I was an adult. That I realized how enamored with or in love with I was the lifestyle that we live as American hunters. And I give so much credit to my dad who didn't do this on purpose, but my dad was a banker.

You met my dad today. Yep. My dad was a banker. He in a small town and in western rural Arkansas and they he banked the flight for the drug cart. Yeah, that's right You beat me to it, man, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Go watch the American dream [00:51:00] Yeah, the original bank from Mina Gary did all his own stuff. Yeah But he would so he just met he knew everybody in the community and when he would come home at night He wouldn't talk to me about The insurance agents and the car dealers and the pharmacists, he talked to me about the people that came in to borrow 400 so they could go catfishing for a week so they could buy a coon dog.

He talked to me about the rural people, about the hunters. I, so many times he would come home and he'd be like, Clay, we're going to go see so and I met this guy today, and he killed a big buck. I can't tell you how many times he took me out somewhere. I couldn't take you back to the places.

And we'd open up some freezer and pull out a big buck head and put it on the table, and some old man would tell us a story. And, Dad wouldn't have known, and neither would I. How impacting all that was to me but dad was great at asking questions [00:52:00] and he was teaching me to be a anthropologist, in a way.

And and then when I got older and got into outdoor media, honestly, I thought that the stories that I was interested in were not mainstream stories. Really. When I started working for Meteor three years ago was the first time that I was like, Oh, maybe people are interested in this. I felt like the stuff I was interested in was just obscure.

I think that's because we live it. So it's you think it is? Nobody was, mainstream hunting stories were kill a big white tail in Kansas, kill a turkey just these mainstream things that I'm very interested in and people are very interested in.

They were not as. There was nobody telling on the mainstream, on the big platforms talking about the Roy Clarks, right? They weren't talking about a mentor of mine named James [00:53:00] Lawrence whose picture's up on that wall Who's just a classic mountain deer hunter, I mean he Nobody's telling his story Nobody's telling stories about Ori Province this old man that lives out in the mountains over here that just didn't do anything real flashy Other than having an incredible life, an incredible story, that, and so when we started telling these kind of obscure stories, I feel like people just were like, they connected with it, and and then we started diving in with historical characters.

If Bear Gry, if you could describe Bear Gry, we do some stories on living people Warner Glenn. Yeah. Which was a gem in the, a diamond in the rough, man. This old guy. Warner's now, I think, 88 and big line hunter out west. A lot of the hound guys would have known him, but we're in a new Warner.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the bigger mainstream world outside of the hound community wouldn't have known Warner. They do now. And it's just a fascinating story. And so we tell, [00:54:00] we talk about some people that are still alive, but we also started diving into these historical things that I didn't think would work very good, to be honest with you.

The first one we did was on Daniel Boone. And I remember if you go back and listen to the intro of the first Daniel Boone podcast that I did on Bear Grease, almost. Like I qualified it. I was like, now guys, this is a little different than the other ones. You're going to have to put your thinking caps on for this and it's going to be like sitting through history class.

But trust me, there's going to be some payoff. You're going to like this if you just sit here. I Was worried about it. I was like, golly, this is a lot of history, a lot of deep dive. And that Daniel Boone three part series. Ended up being one of our most listened to I mean to this day people talk to me about the Daniel Boone series Yeah, so we learned something from that.

We're like, oh, yeah, we can go back and tap into these deep cultural ties that we have that nobody's People have explored it massively but have not been explored on [00:55:00] this platform A podcast. In this fashion. And we started doing stuff. We did Daniel Boone. We did Holt Collier.

The market bear hunter down in Mississippi. We did Davy Crockett. We did Lewis Wetzel. We've done Tecumseh. We've done who else have we done? We, all these historical things that ended up being really neat. And so we've just had a lot of fun with it. I don't talk about anything that I'm not very passionate about.

That's rule number one. People all the time give me great ideas for Bear Grylls podcasts every day. Give me great ideas. And I read it and I'm like, man, you nailed it. That'd be great. Minus one thing. I'm just not that interested in it today. And I may be a year from now or three months from now. And,

I've learned so much. It's been so developmental for me to have it be my job to go do this. That's one of my biggest rewards of producing podcasts because we did [00:56:00] it for the same reason. I started this podcast because nobody was talking about this in mainstream hunting. Yeah. Nobody. And Our story needed to be told because when you don't tell your story then somebody else tells it for you.

Yeah. And more than likely they're going to get it wrong or they're going to use it against you. And so that's why Houndsman XP was started. Brent, what is your thoughts on

Clay was probably the first person that really brought it to my attention about the stories that I tell. And there was no mission behind it. We'd just be, we'd be going somewhere. And we traveled all over the United States and drove to Canada. I don't know how many times it seems like. Way too many instead of flying because we could take all the stuff we needed with us in a truck.

And so we're [00:57:00] just talking and there's only so many things you can talk about, but we, he, we have a conversation about anything crayons. And it would remind me of something. It may be totally opposite. It may have been a dog my dad had named Crayon. Or it may have been my brother eating crayons.

He wasn't in the Marine Corps. I was going to ask you if he was a Marine. No. , he would get to the point where he'd say, Man, you have a story. For everything, and I'm like I can't do math, but I can tell a story, and I've had a good buddy of mine, Jacob Wood, I hunt with a lot, and he'd say, he'd tell me a story, and I'd say, oh, that reminds me of something, and I'd tell him, he'd say, man, you're a one upper, you're a one upper storyteller, I'm like, no I'm not, I just thought about this, and I wanted to tell you this thing And ever since this whole, the podcast thing started and when Clay said, man, you ought to do a [00:58:00] podcast.

You should do this and we should come up with some type of format for you to do. And I said man, I don't really know a whole heck of a lot other than I know policing and I don't want to talk about that. I don't, I'm through talking about that. He said, what else do you know? And I said I know, I know some stuff about hunting, but I like, I know about living in the country.

Cause that's all I've ever done, and that part of that was, my upbringing was when, this was before Playstations, before all that stuff, when anytime we had a family gathering. Everybody be playing football in the yard, running here, running there. I'd be sitting on the porch with the old folks because they were talking about coon dogs and they were talking about shooting deer and they were talking about all the entrapping, they were talking about the things and that's a lot of these stories and stuff that I tell is that's where I heard them at the feet of the folks that told them.

And [00:59:00] it was just a very important part of my upbringing. And Clay would say, man, you just. You just tell those stories, it's a unique skill set and I don't see it that way. I think it is a misspent youth. I should have been studying algebra instead of sitting at the foot of my grandfather and my dad and all those folks that were, and my uncles and listening to them tell stories that I probably shouldn't have been listening to.

But it ingrained in me a way to tell a story. Do you ever, we're ever sitting there and they look down at you and say. Brent, you need to go play. No, they've told me I need to shut up before. But they didn't, they never run me off. And it was never really, it was never anything bad. But they they included me in that.

Yeah. Because they took me with them. I was there, I may have been there the day that, that peanut tree two squirrels and a coon in the same tree or whatever. And I'm like, oh yeah, I remember that. I could [01:00:00] see the value and stuff that they put into it because they got great joy of telling folks that hadn't heard that story.

So when we, when the idea came up to do this, Alexis, my wife Alexis and Clay's wife Misty, we went out to eat supper. And we went to Herman's Steakhouse in Fayetteville. And we sit down and eat supper and I said, Hey, let's talk about this idea that you had about this podcast. And we, Clay, Misty, and Alexis and I pretty well, they three really hammered out the format for it right there at that supper table.

And we turned it in and that's what and what it is now compared to what we planned it to be, I'd say it's probably 90 percent of what we thought. Yeah, it's pretty close. It's, almost verbatim what we do. We, the only thing we changed was it was just me doing a monologue instead of talking to somebody.

And it has really caught on and really done really well. Yeah. Brent is[01:01:00] yeah, I met Brent because he was my cameraman. He was working to, he volunteered to help me film when I had Bearhunting Magazine and didn't have any money to pay a cameraman. Brent was like, I'll help you. And so Brent was coming along with me.

I'm used to not making any money. He was along with me and it took me a couple of years to realize I was like, this guy's not normal. Really, I'm telling you, Brent has a brilliant ability to remember stories which is a thing like there, there's some people that can remember stuff.

Yeah. Not only that, he has a. He had the ability and kind of the desire and just natural inclination to Repeat those stories in an entertaining way. Yes, and The I mean there was a while when I thought Brent was just full of it because I was like there is no way That somebody's got this many stories. I can't remember one of the most famous tree and [01:02:00] walker dogs of all time as the grandfather to my dog at home, but I can remember all that.

Yes. No, I'm joking, but I'm being serious. I don't have, Brent just has a real ability to remember stories. But that's not even it. Because what makes this country life so good is that Brent is a phenomenal writer. Like actual writer. That, that, so there's a unique combination of some brilliance, some genuine country livin that he was baptized in from birth, not from his choosing, to bein raised by Buddy Reeves, who was just a real iconic Arkansas rural guy, and then Brent bein ignorant enough.

To to not go do something and be Brent could have been he could have been the president of a bank. He chose not to do that. He wasted his life out in the country and that's a joke. That's a joke, Brent. No, you're pretty accurate. And it was a unique combination that here, and I think it's [01:03:00] so cool because Jerry Clower was 55 years old when he became well known and started his comedy career.

Brent's kind of like that. It's brent's 57 and never had any intentions of being, I think he wanted to be in outdoor media, just a lot of people would have, but never, it's like never really a dream or never really something that could be realized and Just the right circumstances came about, but more than just right circumstances, he had the skill set to put all this together, because I know 100 people that can tell a great story, but they don't quite have the, they're just not quite able to do what Brent's doing, and this podcast is doing really good.

You look at the storytelling. Art and I think there is an art to it. And I haven't ever broken it down. I just watch successful storytellers. You mentioned Jerry Clower, obviously there was a lot of comedy there. Brent tells a [01:04:00] great story. We have him tapped into the music trivia knowledge he has and things like that but people have to have that.

Desire, I think it's something that taps into who we are in our character because There are certain people that can remember names and places and dates and things like that because they're paying attention They're not worried about themselves or worried about they're thinking about this person. They just met And so they put their value on other people and they put their value on the experience Of what they're experiencing through other people.

They're not worried about what they I don't want to say what they accomplished but how they're contributing to the story. They're watching it all around them and taking it all in and then being able to take those facts. You can write a police report and be a Joe Friday, just the facts, ma'am.

Joe Friday was extremely boring, but. [01:05:00] You can take that same story and put some color to it and make people feel like that they're part of it And that's a unique skill But I think the reason I keep tapping into it about the values of it is because I think we're losing That ability in our modern culture to be able to tell that story.

A Facebook story is 10 seconds long. And so we're trying to be like, cram it into a one minute reel and tell a story when. When historically, storytelling has been huge, there's verbal accounts. You read things like the, from the Tecumseh, you mentioned Tecumseh, that was all oral history for the Shawnee people and tons of Native American tribes and the Israelites and that was all oral history.

And we as a culture are losing that ability to tell that story. And I think with that, what we do is we devalue ourselves. Because, like I said, [01:06:00] if we don't tell our story and we don't know how to tell it, somebody else is going to tell it for us. You look around and go out to eat with your family, and sit at the table, and while you eat, just look around.

How many folks that are sitting at a table, they're either waiting for their food, Or they're, they've already eaten and there'll be five people at that table and five of them are looking at your telephone instead of talking to one another. But that's where the storytelling, that's where it comes. I wasn't looking at a phone and I'm not saying that had I, if I was growing up now, I wouldn't be doing the same thing, but my exposure was if I'm.

If folks are talking, you respect their time and they're, and them well enough to listen to what they're saying, or get up and go. But you're not going to sit there and play solitaire while Uncle Joe's over here talking. You're going to pay attention to what he's saying. And I think that's where you've, that makes you place value [01:07:00] on listening.

Yeah. And you can't tell a story without listening. I don't care who you are. You gotta listen and be able to relate to the folks you're talking to. That, that's my opinion. I agree. I agree. I was listening to I don't always listen to Jordan Peterson. I'm not giving like a full endorsement.

I, I just don't listen to him enough. But I was listening to the Jordan Peterson podcast the other day. And he was talking about the power of story. Being like really, the storytellers of a generation are the most powerful and influential people. And he was talking about how right now, Hollywood is the storytelling capital of America.

Really, when you think about it, movies, all this stuff, it's stories, they're storytellers. And they control the narrative of the country, even more than politics in a lot of ways. That was his point is that the storytellers have the [01:08:00] power inside of a culture to to shift it and to shape it that is not as hands on as, as political shaping of a society.

Yeah, people distrust politicians, by nature. You just, you end up distrusting them and things like that. So your storytellers that come back and tell that story. I agree 100%. They have the power. It was almost like, and it's not word for word the way he said it, but the way I understand it and interpret it now is he was like, there's almost like two power bases inside of a society.

A political power base and a storytelling power base through the media. And it's like these two things, and I think what we're all doing inside of podcasters, we're storytellers, we're carrying the values of our culture and defining it, we're interpreting, that's what I feel like I do, I think it's what Brent does, I think it's what you do, Chris, is that We're interpreting a value system to people, putting words around it, [01:09:00] articulating it and giving people the words of things that they very well may believe.

I want to teach people how to tell their story. The values of what they do. The values of hunting with hounds. The values they add to the big picture wildlife management. The values they bring financially to the towns of Tyler, Missus, or is it Tyler Woods, winter classic at Batesville, Mississippi, Richmond, Indiana, the financial benefits there, but we've got to have, we've done a very, until recently, we've done a very poor job of telling our story and showing the rest of the world what values we bring.

And until we. Understand how to tell that story and it's not always with a grip and grin or you mentioned the dog barking at a cage coon, that's not a story. That's, that's not who we are. Let's tell the stories that the values we add and take back control the narrative there.

And then it's [01:10:00] a lot harder to It's a lot harder to come after people when people can put an identity to what you're doing in a new yard. Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. Yep. Yep. For sure. For sure. Cool, man. I've got to head on over West. My trip's not over. I appreciate you guys taking time to sit down with us and thank you for inviting me, man.

Yeah, Chris. Yeah. Thanks, man. Yep. You guys got any final thoughts or closing remarks? Looking for a good plot female. Oh, you're going to use my platform for that too, huh? Thank you, man. Good luck. Yeah. You said... Few and far between. Yeah. Good plot female. Those three words don't go together very often, do they?

Yeah. No. I'm really going to get in trouble on this platform saying stuff like that. Five years ago. Clay and I were coming back from somewhere and he said I'm thinking about doing a podcast at that [01:11:00] time I only knew of one podcast. It was Joe Rogan's and my son said dad you should listen to a pod You should listen to this podcast.

What's a podcast? How do I watch a podcast? No idea He said we're driving down the road and he says man. I think I'm gonna do a podcast and in the same breath He's that nah, everybody's doing those I ain't going to do that, but if there was one human being that I know that was born to do a podcast, it's Clabo.

Yep. You remember that conversation? No. See, there you go. You remember it and I don't. There's a story. I'm going to add a lot to that. Yeah, you can do whatever you want with that story because I don't even remember that. We also robbed a liquor store.

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