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All Mixed Up is international yet again! Seth and Chad talk about Seth’s exciting Freedom Hunters trip to British Columbia hunting with veterans from Canada and America with the great folks of Babine Guide Outfitters. Seth never fails to bring his excited energy to a great story and there is no shortage in this episode! In true All Mixed Up fashion, Seth and Chad keep the episode diverse with talks about boot reviews and the unveiling of the new segment: “Keep or Cull”. Start dreaming of cool temperatures and a badass bear rug on your wall, things are about to get mixed up!

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It [00:03:00] is a horrible 111 day right now, Chad. Wow. 111. I wouldn't wanna know what to do with that. I clock in I'm, cause it's windy, but it's not very hot. I hate the wind too, but I think I'll take the wind over this. I clocked in early this morning. That's why I got late to the podcast today because, That heat just made me move slow and I was trying, I was racing all morning to try to beat the heat and then I realized there was no way I was gonna finish before I got horrible.

And it was 111 outside the sand in the place I was working, which is like dune land. The sand was 139 and I was Wow. So heat covered up off the ground even more than it's coming down from the top, huh? The air, the wind, the breeze feels like you're in an oven and when people are like, but it's a dry heat, I get it.

But you gotta experience 111 before you think even if it's a dry heat, it doesn't matter. I wear a 28 [00:04:00] inch sombrero and even still it was just horrible man. Horrible. I hate the summer here. I've always had some thoughts about the dry heat, wet heat thing, cuz you know, I grew up in Florida and then lived for a long time and Louisiana and Texas and the Northeast and everything.

And where humidity's crazy, like northeast Louisiana. One of the most hot and equally humid places that I've ever been. And what I've always thought was it was absolutely miserable in the heat, but as soon as you cooled off, you were fine. Whereas like the dry heat, I'm doing air quotes here, was like a little, like not quite as horrible actively in it, but.

Heck, there was a day I dug a bunch of post holes and I was hungover for like few days. Yeah. I felt like I was back in the army, partying it up. I've never been hungover like that, and I've never, I didn't even touch a beer. Not one, didn't even look at nothing. It was just digging post holes.

I couldn't drink enough water, and then I flushed all my electrolytes out. It was a nightmare. So that you sweat and it just dries off you instantaneously. Like I [00:05:00] was dry as a bone. There was no sweat on my body except maybe under my armpits. And I was just chugging my water like all day and I'm, man.

Yeah. Every, we had some, we had, the reason, one of the reasons it took so long is we had some new students from the Midwest with us since their first time in the desert. And how many times? One of the, I know, right? Seriously. One of 'em, one of them, he was like, man, I just, the desert is so lifeless. And I was like, man, if you go out at night, there's animals everywhere.

You see all these like thousands of footprints in the sand. Where do you think those came from? Yeah. And there's one animal that comes out during the day, the spotted ground squirrel. And its main defense is to come out in the middle of the day when it's like a thousand degrees outside because there is nothing else active at that time.

And I'm What a survival strategy. Yeah. You're like a five inch long squirrel that comes out when the ground is 130 degrees and you're like running around anyway. Yeah, man, they're a badass little animal. And I envy that. [00:06:00] That's clever. That cover anything that's gonna chase me is gonna stroke out.

Exactly. Exactly. That's their whole plan. I look up not a hawk, not an animal. Nowhere to be seen except them running around. So anyway, there's your weird animal lesson of the day from the desert. Yep. Yep. We got a diverse show today, buddy. We're gonna, we're gonna bring it back to our to our segment roots, I guess would be the word.

So we got a couple good segments coming up today for all mixed up. And I'm also gonna bring up my trip to Canada, buddy. Can you believe it's already been almost a month? Time flies. What? Since you've gone Yeah, it's, I really got back on. Oh, wait, no, it's only been three weeks. That's almost month's.

Yeah. That's almost a month. Two and a half weeks. Yeah. Yeah. Alright. Time. Ah, whatever. Yeah. It does things that time. Yeah. I yeah. Look how ugly you've gotten. Yeah. Yeah. It's been rough. Man's been rough. I'm cooked. I'm cooked. We got some we [00:07:00] got some segments coming up. You guys, we're gonna review some gear.

Me and Chad we're gonna, we're gonna review some gear that we can, we've put a lot of miles on some gear and we're gonna, we're gonna review some stuff coming up. We're also gonna bring up our new segment. You guys remember some of our old segments from all mixed up. In the beginning we're gonna bring up a new segment called Keeper Call.

We're gonna give you scenarios and you're gonna decide would you keep it or would you call it? And then we're gonna talk about my trip to Canada. So I say, Chad, let's just roll right into it. Let's review some gear, buddy. All right. For this month I'm gonna review some gear that we all use, that we all live by.

Gotcha. Hopefully never die by boots. Chad boots. Yeah. Yeah. That it's almost like dog food, man. You could, there's a million different directions that go within things. I live in boots and I have had many different opinions on boots. As time has progressed and my body has changed, and [00:08:00] the way I use boots has changed.

Why don't you start us off? What do you wear now? Why? And review some, gimme some good reviews on the boots that you love right now, cuz I wanna break it down. I'm gonna review snake boots in particular. All right. But tell me what you're wearing. Right now I'm I'm in between.

I've crested my arc in the pair of boots that I wear, and I'm actually starting to sniff around for something new, but I still got a pretty good review on that. I hunt with a lot of buddies that are like die hard upland hunters and hounds men. And they, they don't have an off season and they live in these things.

It's what they wear it every day. And I, a lot of them will recommend the high dollar Crispies or danners or, all these and they will consume them. They go through them. They say that's just part of it, like these things are light, they're lightweight, they have good grip, and either desert boots or the ones that are waterproofing and so those are the way I'm sniffing towards.

But as of right now, something I hear everybody say that they have a. There's a type of boot that never [00:09:00] lasts. There's no boots that'll last and that's wrong. I wear a pair of the traditional Red Wings, like the old school Red Wings that you could actually have serviced, so like when your soul starts to wear off, you send 'em back to Red Wing or drop it off at a storage or wherever, and they'll actually cut your soul off.

Glue a new one on there, huh? Replace your stitches. Take your grommets out and your little ties. And they do all that for a hundred bucks and you get basically a brand new boot, yeah. I dig it, and I, what I do, I used to work for Pipeline back in the day and they'd give us an allowance for Boots and I get a new pair every year, whether it I needed them or not.

And it gotta the point where I like five or six pairs of boots and every year I would take a pair and I'd mail 'em off to get resold, and I'd just keep doing those, and so the idea of a boot not lasting forever is silly. If you get the ones that are just glued together, those may be incredible.

They're far lighter than mine, and I can go into what makes them better. All, all day. But if you just simply say, I hate having to buy a new pair. You can get them resold if you get a traditional style leather [00:10:00] boot. And like I said, the Red Wings are the ones I worked with. Steel Toes. I like to be able to kick stuff, and never have to worry about my toes.

And that's something that's gotten the hang of me cuz I have become so accustomed to having steel toe and boots and they've been getting heavy and I've been doing a lot of office work here recently inside the house. So I just have these, almost like little pull on house dad shoes that are like, shuffle around the house and it's very emasculating, but they're simple.

They work anyway, so I had to run out and kick at some things. And kick some stuff. Yeah. Kick some stuff, and My toes broke, my big toes broke, and the one right next to it purple broke three weeks. You're still purple. And it's still right now, if I could get my foot up here in front of the game, the camera, you'd be able to see it.

It's, I'm good. It's purple. I'm, yeah. So that's something I'm not used to with the lighter boots, and up on the Chucker Hills, when a rock falls down, if it rolls across my toe, I don't even feel it. And I got a, I got a buddy I got a buddy that, that had that happen, and he's got some bursitis in his foot [00:11:00] now, whoa. And so he is trying to have that. He, so I don't know. There's no perfect answer in my opinion. But if I wanted for a lightweight do good boat, I'd probably go with the Crispies personally, and that's probably the direction I'm gonna go into. They are not cheap, however but for the past, oh gosh.

15 years or so of my life I've been in a varying degree of worn out red wings, the traditional steel toe, waterproof, everything type boot and just resold them like every year or every other year, describe the average climate that you're using those red wings in the most.

Cuz that matters a lot. Yeah. A lot of snow and ice up here. Where I am now, like where I live now it peaks out at about 90 degrees in the summer within a, with a cool breeze. And so that's nice unless the wind blows like 40 and then 50 even, and then it gets obnoxious.

But in the winter from zero to 10, pretty much, it's like what our winter is, and you wear those Red wings year round? Oh yeah. Year round. When the snows come, I oil 'em down. They become [00:12:00] waterproof and they become more pliable. It's really nice. And in, in the. In the summer, sometimes I, I may choose not to do that, just so they breathe a little better.

You'll get some more cracks in the leather that way. I know Red Wing or some others came out with this like breathable paste, you can smear on there. That's supposed to be the same as like an oil that, that allows for the boot to breathe better, and I've experimented with that some more, and it is better than the oil, but it doesn't make the leather as supple.

But that's the climate. Now, if I come off my hill a little bit, it's in the hundreds, and if I go visit some of my buddies down in New Mexico or Arizona, or over in Texas, they, they do pretty good there. But the waterproofing does get hot. The waterproofing does get hot, but I hate having wet feet.

I'd rather lose a finger rather than deal with wet feet, like stomping through a puddle or something. So I'll deal with the temperature of the waterproofing just to prevent from having, wet, sos. But the problem with my boots is they are heavy. One of my boots, one of my red wing boots, probably way.

Two Crispy's way, [00:13:00] and Chad's just working on his calves and glutes for his wife. They're outstanding. I'm glad you noticed. No but it can have an effect on your knees though. I'm not gonna lie. The 45 degree Chuckle Hills or running up during Spring Bear season, up or down, they get heavy.

They do get heavy, and when I came out here, I was a goofball. I was trying pull ons, I was a back, back in Louisiana and everything. I like, I liked waterproof pull ons, but after, like almost throwing my ankle on, running on slick rock, like a, you goofball, they gotta be lace up.

I moved into the lace ups, or, or just, heck flip flops would be better than the, Hey. Yeah, man, I live in sandals, bro. I, there's, I wouldn't choose that, but honestly at this point I think I'd probably roll or break my ankle more. And a pair of poon boots over, like a set of flip flops.

Nobody wears poons except for cowboy boots and no one hunts or hikes and cowboy boots around here. You know what I mean? Out of my hills. You ain't doing none, in my opinion. Free sand or anything of high like angle, no way. Poons are [00:14:00] not gonna be good. What was getting me was even going up and down, it was like side hilling.

Yeah. And I just rolled, I was like walking on the side walls, like the treads were going uphill, and I literally, the soles of my feet were on the side. Yeah, exactly. Of my boots. Exactly. I was like, this is gonna kill me, and then I found the lace up and moved on from there.

But yeah, that's my main thing I guess I'm trying to get away from is if you just really want an all around. That's what I used to say. My wife would make fun of me. They're like, oh, they're heavy. Why? I was like, what if I have to, man, baby? What if I have to dropkick a Sasquatch or something, man? I'm, what if I have to, man?

What if I have to, man, and that's no plug at the ladies man. Like I was just me joking around, but girls, it'll work on your calves and glutes there. You so wear heavy boots. There you go. There you go. High heels. You wanna be like, Chad, take a pick. Yeah, you wanna be like Chad. But my main takeaway was if you wanted a boot just all around, it's waterproof, it's durable, it's got the steel toes, so you could kick the heck out of a Sasquatch, should you need to,[00:15:00] you're ready to go.

And they'll last forever if they start to wear out. Just get 'em resold, and sooner rather than later is better on that cuz they just like literally cut the sole off the bottom and glue a brand new tread on there and then pop out all the grommets and re-sit any blowouts. And that's the other thing.

It ripped the stitches. So what, that's the bonus of leather man. You cut it out and res stitch it. They do it again. Yeah. They've stitched mine like 10, 12 times. I had one pair, it's gosh, I think they were like nine years old. That's incredible. Yeah. So that's, that is badass.

That's an option. The con of those boots is they are heavy. Oh my gosh. I think we put 'em on the scale one time and they were heavier than two of my buddies. Boot left and right. Boot plus my second buddy's right boot, we put three boots and there they were as heavy as one of mine. So there's that, so Yeah.

So that's what, there you go. The Red Wing classic Man, I need to check 'em out. I have never actually worn a pair of Red Wings. I'm gonna, I'm gonna break down the. The snake boot for everybody. First of all, look, [00:16:00] people get weird about snake boots. Everyone assumes if you're wearing snake boots that you're some kinda like antis snake, scared weenie or whatever.

You're just like, look, I'm gonna tell you right now, pluses or minus to a snake boot period. First of all, the reason I enjoy snake boots, I don't wear them all the time. There was a while for maybe two years that I wore them daily at my work, but I stopped and I'll tell you why in the negatives and positives.

This is a gear review for just snake boots in general. Okay? The reason I really like snake boots and I continue to wear them to this day is that, If you put on an 18 inch snake boot that goes up to your knee and you put your pants over the snake boots, you never get brush in your socks. And I freaking hate that.

So if I'm working in places where it's like really brushy cheat grass, any kind of aristida that's in, in seed heads, any kind of annual loos that are putting out those like stupid, annoying seed heads that stab into your [00:17:00] socks and drill into your sock and stab you in the feet. That is why I like snake boots.

Where are my South Texas people at? Where are my Southern New Mexico people at? All of the spiky, terrible. You wanna talk about kicking stuff? You can kick a cactus, a prickly pair, head on with a pair of snake boots and you just trample through it. Yep. So I have gotten into the habit. You're talking about kicking stuff with your steel toes off.

I wore my snake boots for so long that I got completely un uninterested in looking at the ground and just walking. And then when I started wearing normal shoes again, I kicked so many cactuses man. And pros to them. The re the best thing about snake boots is not protection from snakes, it is protection from spiky brush.

Annoying grasses and seedheads. So if you're working in a place, check 'em out because if you're working in a place that has any of those things, check 'em out. You'll be thankful. Here's one thing that I really do also like about them. There is a confidence when you're working in places that are infested with snakes, obviously that's a huge [00:18:00] bonus as well.

But also they keep creepy crawlies from running up your legs too. When I'm working with rodents and stuff like that, sometimes I like to wear them and then you can put a rubber band around the boot around your heel cuz I've had rats run up my shoes, run up my legs. And that's not so fun to have a 300 grand wood rat, which is like a pack rat.

Run up your thigh and try to take refuge in your underwear so that can help a lot. And it doesn't work so well when you don't have that shoe, that boot to like pant interface that you can put a rubber band around. So if where my rodent taggers, you guys know what I'm talking about, protect the jewels from the nasty rats.

All right. So next I just have this image of you like slapping your pants, so that is exactly what happened, but not to me, A person on our rat team got a big, it looked like in a cartoon when you see like the the like bugs moving under the bed or something. You see the little lump that was a lump shooting up his very hairy legs.

So it had plenty of traction and just squalling and,[00:19:00] he was just like, he just completely cramped on, clamped onto his thigh, a above the rat. And you could see it just like running around his leg. Like under his tight pan Tish pants and this giant rat. And it shot out his, the bottom of his pants.

But he was just frozen with his leg, like with his hand around his leg. So that's a huge bonus. And I feel like if you're in a place with sharp brush or an abundance of snakes, just wear 'em. Now here's a huge drawback, and this is what I don't understand about snake boots. I'm gonna review three brands cuz I wore three different brands.

Okay? I currently wear the lacrosse venom scent, you guys. And the reason I went with that is I think I've worn the Rocky Snake Boot. I've worn the Danner Snake Boot and I wore the Lacrosse Venom Scent Snake Boot. The Rocky Boot has the most comfortable footbed. There's no question. What I don't like about the Rocky is why is it insulated?

I do not need an insulated snake boot. Snakes don't live in the [00:20:00] Arctic. Why is it insulated? Snakes live in the desert. They live in hot places. Even waterproof is good. All those snake boots are waterproof. The Danner one was the least waterproof and the lacrosse one is completely uninsulated good, but waterproof exactly what I need.

The Rocky boot had the most, I hiked many miles in all of these snake boots and the like. The rocky one has the most comfortable bed, but it literally footbed, but it really feels like you're wearing an oven on your legs. And when they're 18 inches long, they go up to your knees, your entire I'd pull those things off and my legs would be soaking wet.

It was disgusting. Yeah. So you talk about hating wet feet. Imagine if you had wet sloshing feet from your own sweat. It's horrible. Cut 'em off. Cut 'em off. Cut 'em off. I'll crawl. Yeah. So crawl man. I will stop. Shut things down and go get some socks. Yes. It was awful. I quickly, I wore my Rockies for about nine months until they fell apart and then I never bought 'em again, although they were [00:21:00] very comfortable.

Next up the dander snake boots, look, this is what really bothered me about the dander snake boots. Did they have a comfortable footbed? Yes. Were they robust? Sure. Too expensive in my opinion. For what? They were, fell apart on me pretty quick, and I'm putting crazy miles on him. But also, man, lace up was a total pain when you have a 16 and a half inch boot.

Yeah. Lacing those things up every day. They didn't have grommets. They had to like little hook things. Yeah. So you had to like physically lace your strings around it every day. No. Thank you. I give a, I give the danner boo to, eh, not a thumbs completely down, but just kinda like a thumbs down to the side.

To the side. Yeah. And then I give the, so then I have the lacrosse venom sent two, and those are the best ones, you guys, in my opinion, comfortable footbed. And they have a zipper on the side, so you can set your boot at the level you want of the tightness you want around your leg, and then you can unzip the side and pull your foot out, like a pull-on boot.

Yeah. [00:22:00] Genius. And it's not insulated. So it's the coolest of the three. In my opinion, and with rigorous many miles put on them the lacrosse venom sent to check it out, you guys, that's a nice boot. It really is a good boot. Now, I don't wear snake boots all the time at work anymore. And the reason is, and here's something that kind of, I don't know if it's just me or whatever, but.

When you walk a lot in snake boots that you can't really bend at the ankle very well. And it starts to put, it starts to put tension on your knees over time. And I noticed that I was getting knee pain in like the front of my knees, my patellar tendon more when I wore my snake boots and my ankles got weak over time.

And so that's what ultimately drove me away from snake boots and back into what I call hiking boots, which are not high top boots. I wear the they're like tennis shoes but for hiking where they have a cutout for your ankle. So good natural ankle flexion. And I got made fun of a lot in Canada cuz I brought my desert vented hiking boots up to Canada.

It's all I had last year. And that is [00:23:00] not the choice you want for the boreal forests of Canada, but for the bone dry desert of New Mexico, it's, they're pretty ideal. I wear the Merrill's, the Moab three. So those are a great boot. Comfortable. Extremely light. You're like talking about your glue. And your calves?

Man, I have none because my boots weigh like an ounce and then, yeah, so that's my opinion, you guys. If you're gonna wear snake boots, I would say, I would recommend just don't wear 'em every day. Just wear 'em when you need 'em and make sure you break 'em in. They will give you horrid blisters as with any boot.

And yeah, that's all I got for boots, brother. I got a, I got something to throw in on that. I have a I got a buddy that used to rock the big lace ups and he actually he had a, like a pretty neat idea. Now. He was a hog hunter, big old boy. And I don't know if he wants me to share everything, so I'm gonna keep the name, but he he would catch hogs, like he, he'd have one get loose and he'd grab ahold of the ears and he used to wear snake boots.

Not only just because, kinda like for multiple reasons, [00:24:00] kinda like you not just for the snakes, but for the pigs and everything. And he, I've seen him do it, if he had just told me or I didn't know him, and I hear him be like, okay, shut up. Tough guy, but I saw him. Bare hand both ears and then drive the hogs head down in between his legs, right down below his knee.

Oh yeah. Yeah. That hog would just slam left and right up against his snake boots and he'd be okay. Like you didn't worry about the tusk, you didn't worry about the biting or anything like wow. He was a big boy over six foot, like 250 pound kind of guy. And like I said, he'd catch both ears and stuff, the head down and he would just hold it like that until the catch dog come.

And he had this unique way of letting go of the ear that the catch dog was closest to as it came. Oh my gosh. But you better get that timing right or you're gonna have fingers missing. But that was his thing. He'd bear down and just let him wear his ankles out, his calves, the inside of both of his calves and he'd hold the muzzle right there, whatever he, them all, right there in between.

Yeah. But what he would do in order to get in and out of 'em real quick, he would lace them up as tight as he wanted them on his foot, and then tie a knot there.[00:25:00] At the ankle. And then loosely lay em all the way up to the top and then tie another knot there. So his poons, but like he said, like every month or so, he'd have to retie those knots, cuz they gotcha that or something.

But that way it was like a polon of sorts. Even though it was a lace up, he'd, tie them up there in the ankle. So that's another tip. That is a good idea if you have annoying lace up boots. But yeah, that, that zipper on the side of those lacrosse boots is badass. So check. Yeah, that's a really great invention.

So anyway, if you guys have questions about boots or you guys wanna comment on Boots, comment on the show, comment on this, on social media, cuz I know there's a lot of people that have good boot ideas and have worn some pretty good boots. Or they're like, Seth, the rocky insulated boots is the best reason in the hot deserts of New Mexico for this reason.

This is what you're missing. Stupid. So I want to hear it. Yeah. The floors begin. There will be, there'll be fun. Oh good. Everybody, good. Good. It's like dog food to me, man. You they'll, but I, I like you say, I can't wait [00:26:00] to, I, there's always more to learn, so it's it's, tell us what you think.

One foot ahead of the other. There you go. There you go.

Cool man. Hey how was I gotta know how Canada was, I've been dying to hear about this, you've giving me little tidbits here and there, so there you go. And we don't want to, we don't wanna burn the story before the show. So folks, this is me hearing about it for the first time too.

Bro, tell me about it, man. I freaking, okay. When we talked about, okay, everyone knows these gear are not gear reviews these reviews of trips, it's like etx apocalypse, right? I was so pumped. That was a first time experience and I get really excited to retell. This is actually my second time coming back from Canada.

The people up there at Babie Guide Outfitters and of course Freedom Hunters, which made this all possible for me. So obviously humongous shout out to Freedom Hunters. Sincerely, that's right. The people up there at Ba Bean Guide Outfitters are just world class guides and they just treated me like family, and it made that trip the first time when I went there, I was just really ultra respectful, [00:27:00] putting a good foot forward, making sure I was helpful and everywhere I needed to be and learning, absorbing.

And after everyone got to know each other and we're all friends the second time around, it felt a lot more like I was just, yeah, like a part of the family and so I really, this trip, since everything wasn't crazy new to me, like I'd already learned all the roads and where we were and all the people, I was able to sit down and actually absorb and learn a lot more about bear hunting.

And so obviously I have an insane amount to learn, but what felt really good was that I was able to see a situation happen and be like, instead of the first time being just completely clueless, I would, I was weighing in options in my head, what should I do? And then I would listen to Lloyd say what he would do.

And I was like, yeah, all right, cool. I had the right idea. You know what I mean? And I learned so much the first time that, the second time around I was able to [00:28:00] not be so overwhelmed by all the crazy new stuff and just really, truly take in everything. Yeah. And I thought I became a much better observer of bear hunting the second time around than I did the first you weren't so worried about getting in the way you knew what to do to stay out of the way and then lend whatever hand needed to be, which allowed you to just.

Enjoy more of it, huh? Exactly. Is what you Okay, cool. Literally. Exactly. Yeah. And so it, it was, and this group of veterans this year was just really energetic, excited to see the hounds. And this year everyone was battling to get a seat in the hound truck, and so that was really exciting too.

And we had a hunter that Nate shout out to Nate. He wanted to do it with the hounds. And so he was willing to try other methods, but he passed up on some bears that maybe others would've taken that he was like, no, I really want to do it with the Hounds. And so we hunted our tails off for four days and we finally got him a nice bear.

And all that footage is gonna be obviously available on the Patreon page, and then the YouTube channel. Hey, nice. Yeah. Day one we got there [00:29:00] and the weather was just, man, first of all, when it's 111 out here, I keep just dreaming about Canada. The highs were like 59 every day, and yeah, the nights were getting down to about 30.

So big difference between where I am now and where I was there and I just, I still can't get over how it gets dark at 1130, dude, like that is so trippy. You can really worry yourself out. I worked myself to death. What time did the sun come up? Yeah. It comes up at about four 30. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's so crazy, man.

You don't feel tired. Your body is just used to going sundown, getting tired. It's still completely bright. At 10:00 PM you're just like, man, I am ragged getting up at 5:00 AM 5:30 AM and then going to bed at like midnight every night and they hunt till 11. If you haven't got a bear, they're hunting and you're out.

The bears are active at dusk, and dusk is at freaking 10 o'clock at night. And so they're hunting [00:30:00] every night. The guides are crazy, man. Those guys are beasts. And so that was something that I never get used to entirely. But it was just a blast. We saw tons of bears. It was so green. I went two weeks later this time than last year.

So there was grass everywhere. And here's something that I experienced for the first time. Dude, the mosquitoes. I've heard about 'em, man. Oh my God, dude, you can't even, okay, we are driving back. Okay, let me set the scene. It is a beautiful evening. We're rolling in the truck. It's a crisp, 50 degrees out.

We're hunting, we're looking for a bear. We're cruising these roads. We glass over these big hills and that's how you spot in stock in, in bc. So we're like driving along. It's gorgeous. I heard a loon call. It was amazing. And there was this gorgeous ground mist like across the ground and up on the trees.

It was freaking beautiful. It was like something outta straight up Lord of the Rings, and I was like, man, that ground mist [00:31:00] is beautiful. And the guide goes, Dude, those are mosquitoes. And I was that's wild. It was the worst man. And we were just like, we were okay at several times.

Okay. The dogs are chasing a bear. We get outta the truck, we're looking at the race and we were standing there looking at the drive track outside, and I look over at Lloyd, he's wearing a t-shirt guys, and the back of his neck has like a hundred mosquitoes on it. And I'm like feeling, he doesn't even care.

He's just looking at the drive track. And I'm wearing like a, I look like a straight up like Arab guy. I'm wearing like a full on hoodie tight like Kenny from South Park where I have it like scrunched over my face for just a little circle of my eyes is visible. And it's yeah, it was like 62 in the sun.

So it wasn't burning hot, but I was pretty warm. And and he's just standing. There I go Lloyd. You got some mosquitoes on you and he [00:32:00] just swats the back of his neck, squashes like 50 of 'em, and his hand is just like pure blood. Yeah, I believe it. Yeah. Yeah. God, they weren't drilling through your hoodie though, because I know, yeah.

I mean that sometimes seven now and then, or what? They, I would look at my arms and it would I was covered in mosquitoes, bro. Covered in mosquitoes and I don't know. No, I didn't get bit that bad. The nos, however. Ah, yeah. Oh man. First time I've ever experienced those too. Oh really? Oh my God, they're horrible.

Yeah. Yeah. They aren't as where they get, they don't, they got me on my legs mostly. Yeah. They'd go at my pants. Your boots ended Yes. Down a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. And it wasn't too bad. They didn't like me as bad as the mosquitoes, but the mosquitoes were just like, I don't know. I think I would take the mosquitoes over the nos though, because at least I was covered up and the mosquitoes didn't really bother me that much.

But one thing I saw that I felt so crazy about, there's some pictures of Gomer, the Carilion bear dog [00:33:00] laying on top of the dog box. And he's covered in hundreds of mosquitoes, but he's so furry that they can't really get to him. Yeah. And I was thinking, what another great adaptation for that climate.

He's so furry. He's like immune to mosquitoes. The hounds, the slick haired hounds were getting demolished by mosquitoes. Man, I felt so bad for them. He's yeah, I gotta, yeah, I gotta put more treatment on 'em. And I was like, but the Carions, you don't. The Lyca types you don't. And anyway, I'll leave the mosquito topic alone.

I hate mosquitoes. I live in a place where it has zero mosquitoes. And so it's really hard to adjust to go from zero to 1,000 billion of them like all over your body at every second. And it's It's annoying, but otherwise I'll leave the bugs out. But anyway, yeah, I had a great time.

We treat five bears. It was incredible. Every time I, you never get tired of walking up to a tree, man. Yeah. Obviously I don't have tree dogs, but damn. That is so fun. To just [00:34:00] hear them out there barking in the forest. Their tree, they had a two and a half hour race to get there, and you just hear that off in the distance, man.

It's just, it's incredible. It's an amazing feeling. Every time they stop for a second, you're like oh. And then it starts, okay, good. It's still there. It's still there. Go walk a little faster, yeah. Yeah. And it is so horrible walking through those woods, man. They got like devil's club and all these like stinging metals and stuff, but in the more open places, we treat some bears in some really beautiful woods.

And it is just so cool. They're like little homing beacons, those hounds, and it is just walking closer to the tree. Your energy increases, their energy's increasing, it is amazing. It is so fun. And to look up and see a bear, dude, there's a bear sitting there like that is such a cool feeling. I love all the diversity of hunting with dogs and obviously I have an incredible admiration for hairs, but it's a bear in that tree, dude.

Yeah. It's a mountain lion. It's a bear. It's this big powerful carnivore. There's something that's really cool about that. [00:35:00] So it was it never got old. And of course, I'm totally smitten with the Leicas, the Carilion Bear dog and the West Siberian Leica. They are so awesome, man. And I never get tired of watching them hunt.

It's just something, nothing I've ever seen before, and it's really cool. And he's got a new one, a little white one named Cedar, the cutest hunting dog I've ever seen in my entire life. She's so much dude. If isn't a sheep, it's like a sheep had a puppy with a dog. You know what I mean? Like she's this little puff ball.

If you shaved her down, I bet you she looks like a coyote. You know what I mean? She's, but yet she weighs like 20 pounds. But just a fireball of intensity. Speed. And lemme tell you a story. We went to this tree. We had some epic races. We had one that was almost 10 hours. We had several trees where they were three hour races.

We treat one bear in about 20 seconds and there was this bear on the side of the road. It wasn't a big bear, it was just like an average size bear. And we let just cedar out this 20 pound Leica, 20, [00:36:00] maybe 25 pound Leica, she jumps out, rushes this bear with everything she has. The bear runs maybe 50 yards and immediately trees and it was just hilarious to watch her tree.

Anyway, so we, the hounds. We cut in some of the hounds just because some of the guys that had never seen a tree, so we cut all the hounds in just to tree the bear and just so Gotcha. You could get all the noise, the excitement, all that stuff. So the hounds are treeing. The bears sitting up there and the bear, this is badass.

Dude, I've never seen this before. I don't know if you have The bear jumped from one tree to the other dude. Oh. So like it was okay. It was like, I got it on film too. You'll see it at patrons. It's clamped onto the tree and the bear's coming down and we're like, Hey. And the bear climbs back up the tree and then the matrix style jumps and like lands on another tree and go grabs it like a squirrel and just like clamps onto that tree.

Nope. Never seen that before. Never. That was so bad in the video. I'm like, he just jumped another tree like it was so crazy. I like, obviously I don't care if the trees are like [00:37:00] one foot away. That's still awesome. But was this a dense forest? What are we talking like three feet? No, he jumped probably about five feet across to another tree.

There you go. Yeah. That's cool. It was sick. Yeah. So he that's really cool. Was in that tree and it was a small bear. I was a little, I was feeling my oats, you guys, like that bear was coming down the tree. And I like, ran up to the tree, clapping my hands and yelling. And I was gonna I don't know what I was gonna do if the bear came all the way down.

I don't know if I was gonna try punching the bear or, but I was not afraid of that bear. I was gonna run up there and try to keep him up the tree, but me running up to the tree clapping and yelling he like ran right back up the tree again. And so we were like, okay, it's obviously not a shooter, we wanted to keep it tree in case it was, but it was not.

And so obviously the hunter Nate was like, no way. And which we all agreed and it was pretty funny, man. The bear was up there and all this green moss kept falling down, like it started falling down. And then I realized the green moss was poop. And the bear was like, yeah. Yeah. We were all laughing so hard because the hounds are tree and just [00:38:00] getting showered in bear craft.

No, they love it. That's great. It's like tree a bear with par favors. It's like a pinata out there, they were like I'm gone. Yeah, they eat, man. They love that. Yeah. It was so funny. And it was just, it was great to watch this cute little puff ball just getting pooped all over. Oh, cedar.

So anyway we, okay, this bear wants to come out, so we're, I'm like, all right, let's leash the dogs up. So I leash up chappy and I leash up Willow and Chappy is like a imagine if a blue tick. Gandhi had a baby too. I don't know if I can make that connection in my head, man, you're gonna have to help me with that.

Chappy is just so chappy looks like a saluki blue tick. Like he's just a hard gainer. Gotcha. He just can't, Lloyd feeds him like a bunch. I saw him like, every time he's eat up trappy. You need the food. Give him extra food and man, chappy's just a bean pole. He's a rake, right? I don't know.

He's just a very thin dog. And he runs good. And he's, yeah, man, he haunts hard. [00:39:00] He's, she's a, he's determined. But anyway, I had him and then I had Willow, who's like a black and tan. She's built like a freaking rock. She's a beast. I have them both in one hand. And I'm trying to grab another dog, and the bear just is like, all right, I'm outta here.

As soon as I pulled the hounds back out of the back away from the tree, like five feet, boom. Yeah. Yes. He's here he comes, the little like ceder is under the tree. Paul's on the wood jumping up in the air, barking at him. The bear comes down the second he comes and reach, he jumps up and bites a bunch of hair out of his butt and it's just like this bear jumps out of the tree, lands on the ground, and is running for its life from this 22 pound puff ball that's right behind.

It's yeah. What made me laugh is like a 200 pound bear ears pinned back running with everything it has in terror from this like little Pomeranian looking thing that's just it's like needling him in the butt and flooring it through the woods behind this bear. And of course the hounds almost pull [00:40:00] my arm out of my socket.

But anyway, it was the funniest thing I've ever seen with any kind of scent dog work. It. Watching this little tiny puppy puff ball just like biting a bear. And this, that bear could turn around and just smashed her like a bug. And he was just like, oh God, get outta here. Just running from this little thing.

So anyway, I love the, as their intensity and their speed, how they can run that fast through the forest is pretty amazing. And they hunt like a, it dawned on me, I didn't know how to describe it until I saw the pig dogs. They do hunt like a puff ball for Aker dog. Is that right? Yeah.

They have a hot nose. They're fast and they only open when they see the bear. Yeah. And what a cool insurance looking at 'em. Or just like the hind end too. They'll bark then too. No. Cause I know some people draw a distinction there. Like they, they some folks don't want their dogs to bark unless the hogs look at 'em, and other people are like, no, I want 'em to bark. As soon as they could see the timed in. What were you finding with the oh, okay. I don't, okay. I don't know if I can make that [00:41:00] distinction, but I'm assuming when he's just looking at a bear, like in any way, shape, or form, because he was chasing the bear and I did hear him barking okay, there you go.

I'm assuming it's when he's like looking at the bear. Yeah. Yeah. But the intensity and the style of the bark changes when the bear would stop. And look at him or bluff charge them and they would like, and go quiet for a second when the bear's actually running at them and then they turn around and just and one of them he's Gomer isn't really that bold anymore.

He's learned to keep his distance from a bear. But Cedar, we'll see. She's pretty she's pretty gnarly, so That's cool. That's really cool. How big are they generally weight wise? I know the PO probably adds like four inches to all sides, but yeah. Under that or what do they weight you think?

I think goer's 50 pounds at the most. Yeah. Okay. So a big dog then? They're not type. Yeah. Yeah. And I would really like to see what he looks like. Shaved all the way down. Oh God. Cause they, they're so deceiving. They're plush. Don't do that to him. Don't do that to him. Yeah. They, Lloyd said, and that's another thing too, I love when people keep dogs for their climate.

When I see a husky in Southern New [00:42:00] Mexico, I just am like, oh, poor thing, yeah. But that animal is absolutely at home in Canada. Lloyd says that thing will sleep on his doghouse in negative 20. Like he's just laying on top of his doghouse asleep. Yeah. Getting pour on with snow. And he is just this is great.

Awesome. This is fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. And obviously the plush coat has its advantages. He's if you have to leave those hounds out, cuz that was something I thought about and you guys, this is crazy wolf country and Oh yeah. They've shot one of the biggest wolves in British Columbia, 130 pound wolf.

I have a picture of this thing I'll show you, dude, Chad. It's full body mounted. I literally could not stop looking at it. The skull of this wolf looks like a bear skull, like one of the size of my horses. Man. Dude, I am not hyperbolic about wolves. I am not I don't conflate them with wolves will eat your, like entire livelihood and your 401k, like I'm being a total realist about this wolf right now. It was insanely intimidating. [00:43:00] Like when I look at it, you're, these paws were just enormous. Anyway, so what I'm trying to say is like Lloyd's, if you gotta leave these dogs out overnight in the woods, these leicas are totally fine. Like they're just gonna curl up under a log and go to bed.

They're not gonna freeze to death. Even if it gets down to like negative 50, they'll survive. Yeah. And that's a comforting feeling to know that whatever happens, they're built to live here. And so yeah, I think they have a lot more sense maybe to quit or call it when it's impossible. Or maybe they're, I don't know, that's just totally speculation.

But the way their mind works, it's not as driven as crazy focused as like a cold hound that may just keep grinding a trail. Maybe they'll just give up. I don't know. But I like 'em. They're very cool and I think they add a great add on to any hound pack. So people that are running like us alone without hounds, That's badass too, but I think they're really rad with the combination of Hound two, addition two.

Yes. You know me, I like to combine talents though. That's my favorite thing. I'm [00:44:00] a mix the pack, not the breed kind of guy myself. Like I think the Greyhound and the Saluki or the Greyhound type, the speed type mixed with the Saluki is just devastating to Gotcha. Nice. And so I really admire that when we have that kind of mentality of the driven start, the older trail of the hound and then pick up the speed and intensity like crazy when the bear has been jumped with these lyco types and they'll run with the hounds the whole time.

That's another thing. We turned gomer out several times with the Hounds in the beginning, and he would run along or get ahead of the hounds and trail the bear and get the bear jumped way ahead of the hounds. And then when he starts barking, the hounds would speed up. So I thought that was like a really cool, yeah.

Addition. When they hear him barking, they're like whoa. Yeah, let's go. And they would run down the track a little faster, which I thought was very neat. And a powerful addition to the hound pack. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, he can make a bear tree. That's why those little, [00:45:00] those those carrions, those lyco types are like piranas, man.

They're like barracuda, like running around. And they really pressure the bear to climb much better, like terrier. Would you say like a big YAG terrier or with as little knowledge as I have in that arena, yes. Because they're just like picking at their butt and running around and yapping and just the hounds keep their distance and make a lot of volume, but those little guys have this like fast, choppy bark and they're trying to pull your hairs out.

And that's not comfortable. You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh yeah. And they're so fast. They dar in, they're like ninjas, they're quick. So anyway, that was really cool. I had an amazing time. I really can't say thank you enough to freedom Hunters for making this opportunity possible for me.

And coming up there, you guys, there's stay tuned on the Patreon page. There's even more content coming up. I posted hundreds of pictures and I'm making a video right now. It's not gonna be as long as the first one because I really focused on just getting the tree footage. Making hound hunting look easy, but I have two interviews with two of the vets that were there Dylan and Jason, and those will be on the [00:46:00] Patreon page, you guys as tailgate talks. But those two were, as always, Chad and you know this too, they were totally blown away at how difficult Hound hunting is. Oh. Everybody thinks it's gonna be just drop the tailgate and they magically go tree a bear.

Yeah. Just walk a quarter mile over to the tree, right? Ain't Yeah. Nate's bear we shot was a mile in and that sounds like an easy walk if it was in the forests of Western New Mexico, but it's not such an easy walk in Canada or East Texas. A mile is a pretty hellish walk, honestly.

So anyway. Yeah. And Nate stick it to it. He was like no, I don't wanna talk. I'm not a talker. He gets real shy behind the mic, but, He did tell me to tell everyone that the hound hunting really changed his life and he was wanting to get into Hounds and he was blown away at how fun it is and how much skill and dedication it takes on the hunter's behalf to hunt with dogs because he was also blown away at at difficult.

It is how difficult it is. So that's always fun to, to bring people into the fold. We just made three [00:47:00] like lifelong fans of this lifestyle and that feels great too. That's the mission of Freedom Hunters right there is changing lives through the outdoors and I just feel really honored to be a part of that.

I hear you. So when are you gonna get a set of cuz I think I actually text you that. Yeah, when I was in Canada I was like, Chad, you did, you gotta get a pair of these fluffy little monsters. I'd love to try one man, but I need another dog. I need a hole in my head, man. I already, I got just got another puppy, but I would really like to see him hunt.

I think that'd be really cool. I might get, I might not be able to hold myself back if I got to watch him go. Yeah. What's one more dude I look, this is what my wife says and she's the worst enabler in all of hound hunting wives. She says once you get past three, what does it matter? Kind.

You're right. But then once you're bearing down on 20, Yeah true. Yeah. I just shot a goat. 15 range ain't so big deal. But once you get past 15 it could really, they could really be difficult. Yes. I just shot a [00:48:00] free goat so I'll be feeding them goat meat for a while to save on food.

Oh, nice. What kind? Yeah, that Just a wild goat feral? No. A cab tis a free goat down in the valley. Okay. That was just on, on Craigslist. A guy this old lady was like she's just I don't want this goat. And so I called her and was like, I'll take that goat. And she's is he going to a good home?

And I was like yes. He's going to a great home. My home. Yep. And yep. I took him. He's an ugly, nasty Billy with nuts. Like a foot long. And you know what? The dog

Yes. Did I mention he was hideous? Yes. But great glutes just got, there you go. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, the dogs don't mind. They don't care about that Billy funk one bit. They're happy. Yeah. Yeah, that's something you would eat. You nasty boor hog eater. Yep. I was gonna, I was gonna say, I bet you they, I've had, see I haven't had that much goat, I've only been to like one of those Mongolian grills where all the different [00:49:00] types of meats are out there and you kinda throw whatever and the giant bucket.

And I hate vegetables. So like I go through that thing and just piled dead animal on top of dead animal, on top of dead animal and I get down there to the end of the line and hate it, hand it to the chef. You kinda look just cycles at me, I'm like, yeah, put some hot stuff on there man, and get after it.

Throw it on some ice and like there's a chicken, there's a steak and there's always some stuff in there because I throw some goat in there just cuz why not? Yeah. Why not? So I think I like goat man. I need to, it's good. It's good. There's a traditional Mexican dish with goat called Beria and it's like a slow cooker, like a crockpot, slow sied goat, like pulled goat, yeah. With a yummy broth and, yeah. Oh my god, my mouth is watering. Yeah, Beria is incredible and people make beria dures like beef beria, but no. It's gotta be made with goat, in my opinion. Is that right? But not that goat, cuz that's the Boor hog of goat. Goat in. No thank you. Yeah. I laugh when I think of Danny's like Chad can keep those boar hogs.

Yuck. Ah, there. All right. They're all right. We're doing it. We're [00:50:00] doing it. We're eating one. So anyway, yes, Canada was incredible. You guys stay tuned for the footage that's gonna be on their patrons. I'm really happy to share that with you. It's gonna be pretty long. We walked to a lot of trees and we got some awesome footage from everybody else too.

Some awesome footage of the shots themselves. Cool. Another guys shot a bear with a 45 70 at 10 yards oh boy. That was, yeah, a high wall. A Remington model one, model three. I don't know. Old one of the single digit model. And it was very cool. Very cool. He was a cool guy. Shout out to Dylan.

You'll be hearing from him on the Patreon page. You guys tailgate talk with Dylan. He's there. So go check it out. But anyway, yeah, a great time, Chad. It was sounds like it, it was incredible, man. Yeah. If you have any questions, buddy, now is the time I monologued there, but let's see.

How many dogs were you guys swapping out? He only got five, dude. He only had five. Yeah. Real small pack. And he only, he starts down with one or two dogs and he'll add in fresher dogs later in the day. Dude, there's so many bears. Yeah. Every single day we were seeing 10 bears, [00:51:00] five, five plus bears, no problem.

And we'd start a good bear. And this I hunted with a guy named Gavin. Shout out to Gavin. Man. You're cool guy. I really got to know him real well. He's really cool. Young fella, great hunter. One of the best trackers I've ever seen. That guy could see a bear track on. It was incredible. On like hard road.

So I learned a lot from him. He taught me a bunch about how to See Bear tracks better. But anyway Gavin was very selective on what we'd put the DA dogs down on. And so we, they'd rig we'd get out, we'd look at the tracks, he'd be like, eh, nah. We'd drive down the road another two miles, they'd rig again.

We'd get out and look, we did that all day, man. When I hung with Lloyd, the dogs rig, we'd get out, look at tracks, let's send them, and dogs go. We have ourselves a race. They either treat the bear, they get out, run, we pick 'em up, we'd let 'em rest for 20 minutes. Drive down the road, they'd rig again.

Let's send them again. So me and Lloyd were hunting dogs all day. And ch Gavin had clients, so he had to be a little more pres protective of their energy. Yeah. But when it was just me and Lloyd hunting for fun, man, we were sending them. So what we'd do is we'd [00:52:00] send two, let them start the trail.

Willow is his best strike dog. Best best starter. Yeah. Track starter and Yeah. And totally a house dog. That's another thing too. I want to talk about that in a minute. She is a house dog. She's a straight up house pet and he has like an incredible handle on her and she's definitely his best starting dog.

And so I'm gonna ask you, do you think that has an option? Do you think that has a hand to play in it? We'll go there in a second. And her ability to be a great starter obviously, to have an awesome handle on her, that's no question. But do you think that having her being a family pet makes her a better, more confident start dog?

Cuz that's something we talked about in my anyway opinion. Sorry. Do you wanna talk about it later? No. Let's do it. Let's do it right now. Screw it. Let's go All well in, in my opinion there's a lot of dogs that are me too dogs that when they joined the pack, they could even get out in front and take things over.

There's a lot of dogs that have a good enough nose and they have a good enough, that they're confident enough and they want it. But for whatever reason, Want [00:53:00] other dogs there with them. There might be some type some part of their character that can stand in the way.

Either they only wanna go with another dog where you could like duct tape a hamster to their back and they could, they're like, ah, I got a buddy. I can do this all on my own now. But something, the only thing I could say that, having a dog that is a house pet w would help is the lines of communication.

Everybody likes to talk about what is the smartest dog, and everybody's knee jerk reaction is like a border collie, and Border Collie are just good at communicating. Like you can tell them all these different commands. They interpret them, they recall them better. They're good at communicating with the handler.

They're bred to work in conjunction with the human. Whereas the Hounds, it's independent. Go out there now, I don't wanna look at you. If I need to help you, you're doing something wrong. Unless, unless they're having trouble with the track and you're like trying to help 'em through some rock stuff.

I do that a lot. So don't take that the wrong way, but for the most part, they're expected to do as much of it as they can on their own. I just try and keep up and keep them on the track. Should they make a loss. So a lot of times folks will say a hound dog's dumb, just because they [00:54:00] don't communicate.

They're not dumb, they're just independent. They haven't been bred to take direction and to be dependent on direction, that's a long way around, like a lot of prep to, to say. The cool part about hunting with dogs that are house pets is they understand, and even a hound that does work independently from all that time spent in the house, they communicate better.

So when you say No, right here, check their, just, like they, they can, they understand what you're saying a little bit better and they'll trust what you're saying a little bit better. In my opinion, that's how it can happen out. D am I saying all the best starting dogs are house pets? No, but.

Each dog may have something standing in the way of being your best start dog and having more ways to communicate with your dog so that it fully grasps what you're trying to tell it to do. Can't help that out. So does that make sense that I, that's beautiful. Okay. Yeah. And that's man and it's as you were saying all that, it dawned on me that you're right.

When she got out of the box, she's hunting, running up and down. We're just standing there quietly. But if Lloyd wanted to be like, smell this [00:55:00] footprint right here, he would call her over and be like, Hey, sniff this. And she'd run right over. Give it a sniff and either open or not. And move on.

And I think you're, yeah, I totally agree with you. It's the ability of having that line of communication with her because she's close to you and so used to how you communicate that I think made her an effective, cuz you're right, I don't think it has anything to do with her ability to start and run a track.

I just feel maybe it helps her stay focused or Yeah. Have that line of, they just understand, when you say something, cuz I, I didn't wanna imply that, a kennel dog, can't go out there and you say, over here. Cuz mind you I got some kennel dogs, that they live out there 24 7.

Sure. And I can say, Hey, over here, hey dogs. And they'll come over and start sniffing around at my feet and take off. So it's not to say that they can't, but it's almost like you, some dogs can start maybe your house, the one that you keep in the house gets off a little bit and it comes running back and you say, the dogs are barking and you get it.

And it's okay, I know what you mean. There's just more understanding and with that connection you could maybe hurdle some more. Yeah. And I couldn't agree more. That's you hit the [00:56:00] nail on the head My. Very limited experience. I think you're that sounds exactly right to me.

And it's funny too, because the, his wife, Lloyd's wife loves that dog too. And I'm like, man, she's been bitten by a bear like four times. You know what I mean? Oh yeah, she's been totally chomped by bear. She's got some bear scars on her body. And I'm like, Ooh, that's a dicey a dicey house pet, got some white hairs on the hind end there, little bit, and she was healing.

She was healing from a pretty good bite going gray in the butt, yeah. Yeah. It was it was she's a sweet dog though. So anyway, that was something I really, I I admired so much. I'm gonna just be straight up, and this is a blanket statement, not just for bear hunters. I love when people have a good handle on their dogs, dude.

It just makes everything better. And when you're hunting to me when you have that, they don't have to be a fur baby. Let's be real here. Okay. I just mean that like, when you let your dogs out, they know the drill and you're there. You call 'em, they come or whatever. When you have a handle on a dog, it is just, it just makes [00:57:00] hunting so much better, and you just gotta put the time into it. I actually have one more point too, that it is a prime example, and I'll zip through it real quick, but it encapsulates what we're trying to say here. For example, I have a buddy that keeps his inside the house. He had one, the rest of 'em are Ken Dog, and he keeps one inside the house.

And what's really neat to watch him is I had a bunch of puppies, and then he called, Hey, let your puppies go. Let's get the puppies started on this. And then, we had already, succeeded at what we wanted to that day. So let's try and give some puppies some experience.

So the pups came down and he's trying to get 'em on the track. They hit the track and they go the wrong way. They go, down the track or up the track rather than down the track. And nothing I could do short of blasting them to get them back, so we went and got his out.

And then because he had this firm, The line of communication with the dog, he can call it and say no, don't worry about them. They're wrong this way. Th and got her walking in the right direction on the track. And then you could almost see her like, are you sure she hears all these puppies raising heck going the other way.

And he could basically tell this dog no. Ignore them. Go this way. Yeah. And then she took off on the track, and then I cut my puppies off, picked [00:58:00] them up, brought 'em back, got 'em in behind her, and off they went. But like that's something perfect example that you know, that you can have with the dog that you have good communication with.

No. They don't know what they're doing. Those barking dogs are bad. Start this in your own way, going this way, perfect. And again you, some people could get that with a kennel dog too, but I think you're gonna catch that more often with one that you do have, yeah. And then devil's advocate for that.

Sometimes if you baby him too much, then they become handed or dependent. So there's a, there's the opposite end of that spectrum too, if it's a good, I've been told that, yeah. If a good hunting dog, it's a good hunting dog, you don't have to worry about that, so anyway I'll hush about that, but no that's a beautiful point.

And that's what I've heard too, is like I've, there's people in the side hunt community that have been like, Hey, if you let those dogs in the house, they may not be a serious hunting dog. And luckily that has not been at all the case. All four of mine will absolutely abandon me in one second when they see a jack rabbit, that's really important. I'm glad that's the case, cuz I do enjoy them chilling on the bed and like hanging out and on the couch and stuff. So anyway. That's just a, I really wanted to pick your brain about that. And let me ask you another [00:59:00] thing. How often do you see a walking bay? It happens.

The, the big boys, generally the big ones is what I see. And then those are fun cuz it's cool to watch, to watch your dog work a bear on the ground. But those are generally the more confident ones, do you think that's common? Or do you think it's not very common?

It's all common on how many big bear you got, in my opinion. So I listened for that. It did. Every time the dogs would get slow on the gps and they'd be opening, I was like, oh please let it be a walking bay. Yeah. I still haven't seen one yet. And Lloyd said, it's still hard to move in on though.

Gosh. You'll guess. Yeah. Trying to catch up to those sometimes. Yeah. But I listened for that. Like, when I hear people talk about, oh, every time I go out there, I get a walk in the bay. I'm like, oh, cause to me it's the tiny little ones that run like Kenyans, they just take off marathon runners that'll run all day.

Those, to me it's a smaller ones that like to run all day and the big confident. I don't have to run from nothing, I'm like, ASA where were you? Can I get a, I'm like where exactly, drop a pin on X, I'll be right there. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it it's as common [01:00:00] as the big bears are, down by me.

A lot of the outfitters chew 'em up, so I don't, it happens, last year we had a great one and I got a video I could share at some point, like they were guests. We finally called 'em off, yeah. And one of my good dogs, rebar was just so tired, you kinda walked over to the track and I was like, nah, come back here.

And hes smelled boo. It was this long, wilting, whimpering hell, I was like, yeah, bud, you're done, man. You come on, you're gonna stroke out. Come back here. But yeah, man so it happens. Yeah I still would love to come in on a ground bay too. Apparently they're crazy exciting. And Lloyd had tons of videos of them, but all our bears treat which is ideal, but man, I wanted to sneak in on a ground bay like crazy.

Yeah. Or even the walking bays are fun, if you can get up, you get up to a road and, run in there and see, just running there fast enough and then kneel down and hold your breath. Cuz if they, a lot of times if they hear you, they're just gonna turn and walk the other direction, but so run in there and you're like, so then there and dogs come by [01:01:00] and, and it's, that would be awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Lloyd had some videos of that too, of Hunter shooting a walking bays across the road. And of course the hounds and the Leicas are right behind it, just raising hell and you're just like, ugh.

But anyway, I guess I gotta keep going back. Huh? Go back to paradise. That's all there is to it. More bears always More bears. Yeah. And. Yeah. What do you think your ideal number of bear pack, cause that's you, man, I took a thousand years to answer that question. Lloyd has five dogs. He usually only turns out two or three at a time.

Very small pack, which he likes. What do you like, Chad? It depends, man. I like if you're doing it right, you got two puppies. You're training, in my opinion again, everybody's got their own way. Yeah. It's opinion. Sure. It's opinion. Yeah. And my opinion is I got my, my track starter, my best dog and whatever dog I'm trying to make a pack start and a track starter, and I'll turn him loose with that, made dog.

And sometimes I'll have like my best dog that I start and then I'll have like my other three that I'm trying to get there and I'll swap out whoever that [01:02:00] second dog is, depending on the day or who has more energy or how the paws are doing or whatever, so I generally like four dogs, at least one of them being, the best I got and the other three being, Something that I'd be proud to turn loose of anywhere.

Good dogs. Good dogs, not helpers. I don't, oh, it's a me too dog. This is a help dog. Ugh. Nah. If I don't think they can do it on their own, I don't, nah, I don't really wanna mess with that. It doesn't mean that they're as good as my best one. It's just that if my best one wasn't around, I'd still be confident putting them down on a track.

Right? And so that's four dogs and then two puppies. Nice. Always two puppies nice. Every year you gotta be starting two puppies, man, in my opinion. You gotta start, you gotta start new ones every single year or you'll get stuck, and so that's what I like, and then, a lot of times with bear, that's a communal thing for me.

I like my lion hunting by myself. Not that I don't like other people, but a lot of times in the deep snow, sometimes they can, too many dogs will kick snow in the tracks, in again, Chad's opinion. They can get in the way, so my lion hunting you can get [01:03:00] crowded. But my bear hunting, you can turn as many loose as you want.

They don't really get in each other's way too much, yeah. I would love to see a big pack, just the noise and the the mayhem. It'll rattle the fillings outta your head when they're a mile away. The whole side of the mountain sounds like it's gonna come down. Now I like big packs floating, but for me, if I'm gonna load the truck, six is what I like.

That's what I like. Four good ones and two pups, nice. Nice. And then haggis don't count for nothing. He, my John har he don't pass. Yes, he does. What I'm saying is he doesn't count as a dog. He's a buddy. He's, he rides in the passenger seat. Yeah. Yeah. I like, so he's he never counts towards that six, whether I have him or I don't have him or anything like that, that's what does he do?

What do you think he does? Does he just help Tree do bear? Do he pressures the bear? He does what you're as, as long as it's not too hot. Cause I'll be honest, he doesn't. They don't tolerate the heat too much. They got that really thick skin. They're, they're made for swimming, breaking ice, doing duck retrieves and stuff like that.

They're very cold oriented dogs, even like during the breed test, they'll, they stand him [01:04:00] up and they're like looking at the hairs on his belly to make sure he's encapsulated in hair like an otter. If a dried is has a lightly haired belly they can go from anywhere to having a fault to to like being unbeatable if they don't have enough hair on their stomach, true. And their skin is super thick, if you like grab a Hounds hair, on their, mead right on their neck and pinch it, that there's, it folds over and it's super thick. That's how a draw it is on his entire body. Which does great.

Yeah. Which is great for cold, protection and then all the brush and everything like that, but has a downfall. They get hot really easy. So as long as it's not too hot. He will win them. He will rig them with the hounds, and there's even been times when it's only been him, like his, he got hurt or burnt out and I had him in the truck and we got close enough to it, and he'll rig all on his own, but what I like that he does is what you were saying about the vik, like when they're cold trailing 'em, and they, I like, it's so dry out here. I need nose down, cold trailing dogs, dry land dogs is what I need. So I like 'em to take their time and be methodical, and I have a few hounds that run fast, but he's [01:05:00] quick.

That's his thing. When they get close and they got 'em up and running and going, you'll see how, outpace them, and get up behind them. And then he's almost too gritty almost. He likes to dance on that vine. So He's gonna slow it or spin it or to drive it up or, something like that.

So he'll run with them and you'll have his nose down the whole time. But like when it gets hot, you start to see him pull ahead. I won't say he has as much endurance as you're good. Your best hounds. But he can, he can't run. It's kinda hard to beat them. They're unreal.

Yeah. And anybody that says that, oh yeah, my dog's never been bred for running a bear all day, but I know he'll do it if they need they're either ignorant or lying. One of the two, like the hounds have got that wrapped up tight, but man, yeah. If it's not too long of a race, and he's still got that drive, he'll dust them.

So sometimes I'll use him specifically for that. I always like to put him down cuz I like to see him track, but if I'm really smart, I'll save him, until they get it going and dump 'em to it. Cuz then he'll so that was common for Lloyd too. He would hold the Leica back [01:06:00] until the race was heating up or the bear was jumped and then send that ly us in and they will just race up to the front and they'll cut, like even if you dump em on the track, they'll cut the corner to get to the barking.

Definitely. Definitely. And then overtake the track, get way out ahead and put it up, and that's yeah. That's how I should use them. If I'm not being selfish, cuz I like going truck to tree. I like, I turned him out with my track starters and that's what really makes me feel good.

We did with Gomer, we turned him out several times at the very beginning of the race and he ran the entire two hours with the Hounds. And he was there the whole time. And at other times the Baird run across the road and send him, yeah. And that little furry monster would jump out and zoom like ju and then within 20 seconds you hear yep.

And you're like yes. So yeah. But if it were to be textbook, like you're saying, like what's the best use, save them, wait till they get it going and then put that little demon, that little fast track and nose up dog go, you know that would, I like how you call him little. He's a freaking beast. Yeah.

Yeah. He's a big stocky dog. It smells [01:07:00] wonderful too. Oh my God. He smells so good. Hey, what's the biggest pack you've ever seen? Sight Hounds Run. Then I'm gonna let that go. But what's the biggest pack you've hunted with sight hounds for hairs? Oh, I think I saw somebody run 12. Oh, yeah. That's got me beat.

The most I've ever run before was six. We had three pups and three adults. Okay. And that was crazy. I don't recommend it, but 12. Yeah. I'm assuming with the 12, there was a huge age range in there. Yeah. Oh yeah, it was the fellow's whole yard, yeah. Which I've seen that too in videos where people have 15 year olds and five month old puppies, uhhuh, and they have big packs of 10 or more out there.

And it's who cares? Do you even count them? You know what I mean? It's just not to me. I'm not saying I would never do it, if oh yeah, I would work, had me pinned down and I couldn't go, and I couldn't go, and then finally got out there. I'm like, everybody's going, we're gonna just go cheat on Rabbit.

Let's go get one. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I get it, but at, I do that, but at the same time eh, you [01:08:00] know my name is Seth Hall and I support that message. You know what I'm saying? If you got a whole yard and you got a huge age range and you're just going out to pleasure hunt, screw it.

Bring them all, get 'em. Yeah. But yeah but if I'm running pro dogs and I'm trying to do it, like hunting for real or whatever, what I quote here, bring the best outta your dogs too. Yeah. I would say three or four at the most, I think two and three is the best races, but two, two or three dogs is the best in my opinion.

But, sometimes you can, you ease up to four if you just wanna bring your whole yard, which is what I'm doing right now. But if I have injuries, but anyway, yeah. I've seen six before. I've seen five good dogs on a hair that's, it's just crashes colliding with one another. It can get dicey.

So I typically like two or three. But anyway, and it depends on the cover too, cuz I like, if you're hunting on a lot of tall sage, it's, the extra eyes help a whole lot. With the larger packs, more numbers, that's the thing. Yeah. And that, and like Spain and stuff where they hunt with the like aian hounds and stuff, they're running like 20 of those things on the ground at once.

But it's [01:09:00] because Yeah, it's the cottontail. They're hunting cottontails and then also it's just brush and rocks everywhere. You just need the eyes everywhere. Line of sights like six feet. Somebody will see the rabbit. You know what I mean? Yeah. A little different than our grass lines out here where I saw where you're running.

I got very sad for you. Yeah, it's better when there's snow everywhere. I promise I'll keep it nice. Yeah. I was like better when Poor Chad. Yeah, poor Chad. Yeah. It is what it is, man. Can't have everything. Your numbers are awesome. Your density's beautiful. But. Poor Chad. Yeah, not the same. I agree.

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Know where you stand with OnX. All right, Brad we're gonna move on. We got our last segment here, and it's gonna [01:11:00] be quick. But we got our last segment. It's Keep or Cole, and I'm gonna give you some real scenarios and I want you to decide would you keep it or would you call it? Let's roll right into it.

All right. Keep or call. Okay. These are some written responses. Oh, these are some written here. That I'm gonna read these. Some words. Yeah, some words. Thank you. I'm trying to do too many things at once. All right. These are all with names removed to protect the innocent because some of these are real serious questions and we're gonna see what Chad would do.

Okay? Okay. And then I guess we'll throw in my worthless 2 cents where it can be applicable. All right. Here we go. Deep or call first question. I H X P crew. I have a young dog that I'm starting on bears. He starts off strong, but he's got an open babbling mouth and I'm not sure if he [01:12:00] actually knows the bears there or if he's barking to be excited.

Sometimes when he gets on the track he will push it well, but I think he's just moving with my other dogs. He is young, only nine months old, and I think he has a good start ahead of him, but I'm just not sure if I should keep training hard or if he's not showing enough grit at his age. What would you do?

That is the time when hopefully you have a what I like to do with those dogs right there, they need to learn to act on their own, and I had a dog that started to get a little old. He was great at starting the tracks, fantastic at it, but he just doesn't have the go anymore.

And he getting mad when the all dog, all the younger dogs would leave him behind and sometimes he'd even come back to the truck, he'd get so upset about it. But what he was great for was putting him down with a dog like that, who would get him lined out, get him started, say, yes, we're on a bear. Let's move it.

Let's move it. They start closing the distance, the track's heating up, and then he starts to fade away. That veteran dog starts to burn out a little bit and then's the young one when that's when your young one can [01:13:00] take the steering wheel and get ahead. And really show you what he's got. And I wouldn't just, I wouldn't just do that once or twice or even three times, but sometimes it takes that long.

If a young dog that's a good dog, that you think could be a good dog, that is if he always gets to rely on your showstopper, on your best thing, that's all he gonna do. He doesn't have to get better, he doesn't have to grind out that track and beat his face off all the rocks and just trying to produce it cuz he doesn't need to.

He's got Yep. He's got all rebar to go, to ball line, so good old rebar. So that's what I would do. I wouldn't call him based off of that. He's a young dog, he's nine months. I'm not the guy that's oh, you don't know what you got until you, these, this breed of dog gets two years old.

I'm not waiting two years buddy. However, you have to give that pup time to shine, yet you have to let him figure it out on his own a little bit. And if you don't give him the opportunity, you can't hold him accountable. So you say keep and until I say keep too, until you get some more data, yep. Keep. Keep with more experience and honest, real experience under its belt. That's what I was thinking a little young. For what it's [01:14:00] worth, if this was a side hound, I'd say just nine months is very young. Keep let him run, let him hunt. Get more data. Exactly. And keep pushing. So that was a good one.

Here's another one. This one's a little tougher. I actually thought about my answer for this one, so I'm gonna put you right on the spot. All right, here we go. Okay. I raised a litter of two I can't read. I raised a litter of two Gyps. One sister is incredible. She can go out and tree her own game at one, sorry.

Typos, one and a half years old. She is doing amazing. However, the other sisters tends to be a me too dog, be a pack dog, and just hang out in the DR in the group in general. I lost my best dog to a car accident and now I plan. My planned breeding has fallen through. Both of them come from stellar bloodlines.

Would you consider breeding the other female, the one who is just average based on her bloodline alone to the best male I could find? Or do I need to start from scratch and go and spend the next few years looking for another excellent bloodline and a high [01:15:00] performing female for an excellent stud dog?

Or do you think I can go back to the good blood and have a good percentage of good puppies in this next litter? Thanks for your response. I got some opinions on that, but I got one question first, cuz he said he had two sisters, right? Yeah. And one of them was starting to doing everything. Yeah.

One was good, one was bad not bad. One was good, one was average, it sounds but he didn't consider breeding the good one. All I hear she died. There was She died. She died. Oh, she died Because I heard, I said he lost her in a car accident. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. All right. I'm understanding. So he lost, she died in a car.

In a car, looks, sounds probably got hit by a car right on the track. Yeah. Yeah. And so he lost her and now he's saying, can I breed the sister? Because the blood is there. They have a great bloodline apparently. And other I'm assuming other dogs in the litter are hunting good because the bloodline is good.

But would you breed that dog, Chad, keep or call it? It all depends on one, we'll start with one. What are your circumstances? What can you do? If you have some expendable money. [01:16:00] Then yeah go buy something, but if you don't quite, and you gotta make ends meet and you gotta have fun with your dogs and everything like that.

I would test that dog a little more. This kind of, it goes back to what we just got done talking about, if that dog was just going alone, cuz it could rely on its sister, then it's not gonna do what it doesn't need to do. Yeah. They're a year and a half. So they're young still. Yeah they are.

But even I wanna know what a dog is before that. Personally. If I'm gonna keep him, I would've already put him in a situation where it has to shine on its own, get it away from the good. That's really hard when you see a track you're excited about. I wanna grab my best dog, throw it on it and get after it.

But if you're doing right by your dogs, you're gonna, you're gonna put that best dog in the truck a little bit and let those young ones shine. Let 'em figure it out. Let 'em, cuz they, if you don't do that, they won't become great dogs. In my, in Chad's opinion, you will never get a great dog unless you give it time to be the only dog out there.

And that's when they become a great dog. Not the only one, but the best dog on the ground at the time. So I personally, if I didn't have means to just go, get some high [01:17:00] end stuff, I would hunt that dog a little bit more just to see, let maybe it is good, maybe it's just as great as her sister and now that she's outta the picture, she'll show you that.

So try that for once, but if you try that, And she does not become as good as her sister a great dog. Again, air quotes here, then no, I would not breed it. I am not a paper breeder. I am not a paper breeder. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I think lines are important and then that's where you start. But if that dog isn't good, it's papers or it's bloodline isn't good enough, don't breed it.

No. Breeding is so hard. Even if you do everything right, everybody always think it's easy. Oh, that's a good dog. That's a good dog. Let's put 'em together and then, you get whatever breeding's so hard. But I like to breed the best I can get my stinking fingers on to the best I can get my fingers on.

And that removes, to me, that removes as much of the confusion and complications as absolutely possible. Chance error. Yeah. And if you're just going, oh, this dog's sister and other we're good, I, [01:18:00] that's. Yeah you're gonna, you're gonna get yourself in trouble, so it's too easy to just find another one, but like I said, don't cut her out yet. Give her time to shine. Maybe she's a good one on her own. Yeah, I feel like I'm really, I'm, it's so funny in the Hounds when XP crew, I'm definitely the n the new guy on the scene. You guys are freaking super, super experienced and been doing this for decades.

And so I'm feeling good that the answer I came up with on my own was similar to what you and Chris would say, but I agree with you fully. I do not believe in quote unquote bloodlines. I wanna see, I was taught, Dean Bohannon told me the best dog in the kennel to the best dog in the kennel.

Never forget good mouth. If this was in a sight hound scenario, good mouth is key. I don't want a dog chase his rabbit. I want a dog that kills a rabbit. You know what I mean? Yeah. So Chase, anyway, so I don't care if the sister was is amazing, the one that died and the other one give it a time, but if she doesn't come around, no, unfortunately, I think I would wait too.

So I choose call [01:19:00] con I choose situationally call lean towards call, quote unquote, and say no, I would just look for a better female. There's many badass females in the block, that's right. All right. So I got one then this is funny. I had a dog named black.

He was a plot hound cross with some cata hula rolling around in there. He is a hog dog. He's really good. Nice dog. Cold nose as far as hog dogs go. And Push a track, could bay one on his own was pretty big. Helped catch, stayed away from the front, would pull back leg out. Did a lot of things that I liked, was one of my best dogs.

But he, at some point in his life, this weird be behavior developed where he would just back his butt up to his water bucket and crap in it his water bucket. We have dogs that'll like pee in a bucket, and there's ways of getting around that. But I got to the point where like I would push his doghouse up against the wall of the kennel so that like he had to like slide in between the wall and his doghouse.

I, I swear to god, Seth, he would [01:20:00] walk up to it, turn around. I watched him do it, shimmy. And he would back up like beep. Like straight back. Drape his tail over top of the water bucket and drop the tooth in there. Sometimes he'd do it twice a day. Sometimes he did it what day? One time and it drove me absolutely crazy.

So before I ask the, before we get into the questions, you get, you got any questions about this before? No. I got all the supporting info I need. Keep her cold buddy. What do you got? I say keep put two water bowls in there and keep you don't get a dang fine dog like that any day. I say keep Tootsie rolls in the food or in the water, whatever.

Put another, put a, put another water bowl in there and you keep hunting black. You keep hunting him, oh, that's great. Oh, that's funny. What'd you do? What'd you do?

I did. He had to go, man. He had to go. What did you do? How's the XP community keep or call? I [01:21:00] want hear in the comments. I even got a set of cutters and cut a hole in his kennel and put his water bucket on the outside of his kennel. Okay. So I clipped it to the outside. So in order to drink, he put his head through a hole.

It wasn't tight, it was a normal, size of his head. And he'd stick his head through and drink, and he still did it. He pressed his butt up against the kennel and put, threw the hole into his water bucket After that I had to let him go, man. I had to let him go. I had to let him go.

And there was somebody that like fell on hard times and was trying to get their pack back together again. I was like, I'll take that dog. Just, Hey, you said them my way. I'll, I don't care, man. You can have his chocolate water. All right. You can have it. Oh man, it was horrible pouring it out and get on your boots and, fuck.

Anyway. Oh, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. Thanks, Chad. That's all I got for now. I got a wrestling match evolving in my living room right now, but Hey, as always buddy, I thank you for joining me here and I, if there's anything you need to add, [01:22:00] now is a good time, brother.

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If you're a golfer, go check it out. You're helping a great cause. And thank you Jim Shockey for just being all around Awesome guy for our lifestyle and yeah I couldn't go check out our Patreon page, you guys, all the bonus material from Canada is there. It's one thing to hear my stories, but to have them combined with all the pictures and videos, I think it enhances the experience.

And then I'll make sure to get some more bonus content. We have some behind the scenes stuff with me and Chris h XP [01:23:00] happenings, that's gonna be news and behind the scenes for Hounds Man XP itself. Nice. Instead of having the pre-roll upfront, I just figured I'll end up with all the stuff I need to tell you guys and yeah, I look forward to seeing you all there at the Patreon page and to all our sponsors.

Thank you so much for supporting us, Houseman XP, and a huge shout out. To all you listeners, this is why we do it, and we love it. And stay tuned. You guys, we're gonna be on the road. There's gonna be a lot of cool content coming up. H X P is on the road. We're always on the road, and we're gonna make some cool stuff happen coming up very soon.

So stay tuned. Chad, why don't you wrap us up, brother? All right, brother. Let's let's hunt 'em hard and treat 'em like heroes. There it is. Catch you all next month.