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So let's get your journey started today. Here on Go Wild. All right, today [00:02:00] we are gonna have a blast because I can't talk to this cat without laughing until my guts hurt and it's a familiar voice. And if you guys could see what I'm seeing, it's a familiar face even though it hurts a little bit. Beautiful.
It's beautiful. But we have got none other than Mr. Brent Reeves on with us today. How's everything down in the Arkansas's? Man? Everything's great down here. I got a. Can you see this creeping Kon dog behind me? No. If you can see the shepherd laying at my feet and hearing him. Oh, I see him on the bed now.
Yeah, he's, I felt somebody staring at me. I turned around looking. There's old whaling man. We're doing great down here. It's already, it's summertime and I absolutely hate it. It's hot. Me, I went Kuna the other night and it was like getting scalded. It was just so hot. Mosquitoes was [00:03:00] bad. But how do you keep the sketers from carrying you away?
That's what I wanna know. Eat enough biscuits to make it hard. Cornbread. Cornbread and beans that keep the mosquitoes from toting you plum off. They gotta have a Huey to lift you. Make you, don't they? That's right. They ain't that coordinated. Yeah. I could imagine. I can't, the humidity kills me.
Like I can't stand to step outside and just break out in a drenching sweat. Man, back when I was on the, was wearing a uniform, being the police, I, I spend two hours a night shining my boots spit shine, so it just look good. And you step out of the car that first morning on that first traffic stop and it's seven o'clock in the morning and it's 87 degrees, and it looks like you's shining with a Hershey bar when you get back in the car.
It's just, I, it's just terrible. Terrible. Yeah. And I did a track here a couple weeks ago on a guy and I didn't switch my vest out, I've got, we've got the pullovers now and, the plate ca or the carriers. [00:04:00] So I didn't switch it out and put my track vest on because I got in such a hurry.
And of course, I don't know, however long it took, we went really up the side of the mountain and he, I guess we were gaining, he had his four wheel drive Crocs on, I know I mentioned that before. He had everyth things laced up tight. And when I got back to the car and I unzipped my vest and pulled it off, it looked like I had been in a sauna.
The steam just rolled out of that thing. So I had to come home, take everything off of it, wash it to start with, and of course, you know when you put your stuff back together, it never fits the same. Oh yeah. It's so uncomfortable. Then it took me two more days to break it back in, but.
Pete, I'm gonna tell you the same thing I tell Clay about when he's man, let's go k hunting in the mountains, or let's do anything in the mountains. I'm like, man, you can do stuff here on the flat ground. We got bad guys down here where the ground's flat. You ain't got to chase 'em up and down the That's [00:05:00] crazy.
Let them folks go. Just let 'em go. Oh yeah. I I can't, that's what that's what you we just sit here and listen to a pursuit on my radio. Yeah. Brett's man, I don't miss that at all. And I'm like, oh man, this still gets my heart pump. Like I, I like, I love it when people run cause it's a challenge.
Like, how far can you go and can you get away from me? Yeah. Yeah. I'm about to the end of those days though. I'm gonna be chasing something else. Bear coons, muskies. So what about wailing the Wonder dog laying there on the bed? No wonder you don't have nowhere to sleep. Yeah. This is the room where I do all my.
Podcast stuff, recording and writing up here. And it was my son's room. He go enough, get out in college and get out on his home. But I've turned it into my studio. But Wayland comes up here if I'm working on the podcast and he just chills out, hangs out, and he's doing good. He'll be four August 15th, he'll be four [00:06:00] years old.
I got him when he was, I think, right at six months old. He treated his first coon by himself when he was it was either eight or nine months, I can't remember from start to finish striking the track and treating him by himself. I think he was nine months old. And man, I tell you, it has been an absolute pleasure and a joy to, to mess with this dog training.
This dog I used to coon on a lot when I was a kid. And during a lot of my law enforcement, heavy law enforcement work Career part of, or part of my career? I just wasn't able to dedicate the time to having a, to even justify having a dog, much less getting one to train. So I've got a gap.
I've got a big gap in my coon hunting career that lasted for over 20 years. So one, my career kinda slowed down a little bit that I could, justify getting another dog and being able to hunt him and put him to good use.[00:07:00] I absolutely won the lottery when I got this dog. He's been easy to train.
A lot of, it's just natural. And man he's a member of the, it's a good thing he can't tri a coon. I've told a million people because when I brought him home, he wasn't ever leaving. Cause my wife Alexis and my little girl, Bailey, they, they loved him from the time he walked in the door. So it's very fortunate for me that he can tree a coon and kinda earned his feed cause.
Like I said he wasn't going to leave here. It's funny cuz when you post him on Instagram, I've never seen a dog that has his own air conditioning unit in his dog house. He's either on the couch or in his air conditioned condo. Yeah. Like it meets anything I ever seen. We, Alexis and I were sitting out there on the patio the, it was hot now, but I had to, I had some stuff on the grill and she said, look at your dog.
Anytime he's doing something stupid, he's my dog. And anytime, all the rest of the time it's her dog. [00:08:00] She said, I want you to look at your dog. I looked out there and I guess his hand end was hot cause he was, had his hind end backed up in the door of that air condition in that doghouse and the air conditioner was running.
And then he'd turn around a little bit and run his head in there for a while and then come back And visit us. But he's got a, he's got a air conditioner on one side that runs off of thermostat and and a heater on the other. So it never gets colder than 55 his doghouse or warmer than 75.
He was cool in his Is running gear is what he was doing? Oh, I guess so. I guess so. He had that tranny backed up in there ready to roll, didn't he? Yeah. Yeah, he was ready. He stage ready. As hot as it is down there, I know we've talked about this off and on before, but as hot as it is down there, do you hunt much in the summer or you just give it a break until fall rolls around?
Man, I don't hunt near as much now. When I was training him, he, I got that dog [00:09:00] in, I think it was on my birthday March. It was March the 13th or 14th, right before Covid really started in 2020. Just before it kicked off here in Arkansas. Matter of fact, that same week that I got him is when they started shutting schools down and all that big thing started.
So I started hunting him that spring and I hunted him all through the summer. And I was hunting fortunate enough to have a lot of public land here in Arkansas and a lot of private land that I have access to. And I've got public land that is literally 15 minutes from my house, seven or 8,000 acres. And I could go over there and I would hunt literally every night or almost every night.
You could bet five outta seven nights for an hour or two. I'd take that dog over there and hunt him. And that summer in the summer after that, those two first two years that we had him, I hunted that [00:10:00] joker. I easily outta 365 days. I would say I, I at least hunted him. Half of them. A lot.
I hunted him a lot and I wasn't doing a whole lot other than giving him an opportunity to get out there and do his thing, so to answer your question, during those two years in the summertime, I hunted a lot since then. No. If it's too hot Bri ain't going. Yeah. You got too many other irons in the fire now, making it big time.
Oh yeah. God, I'm pretty busy, that's for sure. Yeah, I know I kept up with you when you were training him and I know we had talked back and forth some, but yeah, it's it's amazing. He's four already. Like it's crazy to think that, yeah, it doesn't take long. Yeah, the dogs. I know you and I were on the phone the other day and we were chit chatting and somebody come and knocked on my door and it was a little girl, girl, a college kid.
They got, they board horses [00:11:00] here beside me and she come over and she goes, Hey, can I get my stuff outta your yard? And Brit started laughing and I've got my little five month old pup. I call her sassy. She is the thief, a thief. She had got that girl's fly mask, she had got her lead and her bru, her grooming brush and got 'em all over here in the yard while she was turned around.
Untacking her horse I don't know how she does it. And it's funny cuz they're shoeing horses down there today. And she come to the fence and asked me if I'd put her up while they were chewing the horses. I'm like honey, she carried him horseshoes off. She's more than I can handle.
Does she chew 'em up or just go grab 'em? She was chewing stuff up now she, I don't know, she just brings it over here, drops it in the yard. It's if you're missing something, it's probably in my yard because she stole it. I don't know. I don't know where she gets it from. I don't know how she does what she does, but she gets that stuff so fast and it's a good from the, from where they're, they've got their attack room.
It's a [00:12:00] good a hundred yards from my house, from my yard to the tack room where they've got their little turnout and everything there. So she's grabbing that stuff, getting back, getting under the fence, bringing it up here to the building and then going, I guess she's going back and getting it two or three times.
I don't know what she did, but keep an eye out. I lost a classroom in 1985. I was, Squirrel hunting on Beat Creek south of Warn Arkansas. So if you wanna cross a, a class ring that's got my initials on it. Just gimme a holler. Yeah, I'll do. If it turns up here and there's a good chance that it might, because I've had to be sneaky about it.
Some of the stuff that she tore up, I just put in the trash can, threw it away. And I know that, yeah. My neighbors Chloe and was like, wonder what happened to that bru? Cuz she's chewed up two of her brushes and there was some leather straps that had come off of their saddle. They were, they do the hunter jumper stuff, so they've got the jumps and stuff set up down here and there was a bunch of leather straps that she had chewed up.
And I'm just like, Lord dog, just leave them alone. You can [00:13:00] go down there and visit, do whatever. And everybody loves her. When they're down there, everybody's petting on her and loving on her little do they know she's eyeballing stuff. That's what she's down there scoping it out. Oh, that's crazy. Oh, that's dogs for you.
What else is good in your world, Brent? What? I'm working this, I'm doing this podcast now for for Meat Eaters called This Country Life. And man, it is been so much fun. It was really, it's a funny story the way it all started. The clay and I were talking and I've been helping him for years.
I used to film for him full time or anytime that he had a project going with Bear Hunt Magazine. I was usually running the camera for him or for a lot of it. And he then went to work for Meat Eater and was doing his podcast. And I've been involved with that on Clay does a [00:14:00] historical, informational podcast, bear Grease podcast, and then that kind, if that comes out this week.
Then the next week we'll record what's called a Be Grease render, where we talk about all the stuff that he couldn't maybe fit into that technical and historical episode. And we'll talk about the stuff that, what we got out of it, what our thoughts on whatever the subject was. So about every other week I've been recording with him and it got the, those renders got to be pretty popular.
And Alexis and Clay and my wife Alexis and Clay and his wife Misty, where we were eating supper one night up in Fayetteville. And we, while we were sitting there having supper, clay just mentioned, said, man, you ought to do your own podcast. And I said I couldn't do the stuff that he does.
If there was a guy Taylor made for that, the historical informational type podcast it's clay. And he said he said, you ain't gotta do one like that. He said, I'm doing one like this. You, [00:15:00] what do you know? Of course I know law enforcement, but that's the last thing I want to talk about and I can't wait till I don't have to talk about any of it.
But I said man, country living, that's about all I know about. And he said there you go. That's it. And we sat there around the supper table and for, and talked for an hour and pretty well, Misty had ideas about it. Alexis had great ideas about it. And we pretty well had the format down when we got up to pay the check and leave.
And at that time, that was almost a year. As a year ago meat eater was taking some in-house Applications or ideas for new shows. And I just filled out a sheet that had questions on there, who would host it, what the topics would be, the link and all that kinda stuff. And we sent it in and they liked the idea.
I started doing, I did, they wanted four mock [00:16:00] episodes, so I recorded, I'm just like what do you want 'em? How do you want 'em? They're like, no, that's up to you. You do it, you figure out. So I, there's been a little bit of tweaking here and there, but more or less is what we talked about that night.
And if for folks that hadn't heard it, it's on the Buries Feed Buries podcast feed. You just subscribe to it and every Friday it'll download. I'm working on the 11th episode, I think now, and it's there usually about 20, 25 minutes long. I'll start it out with a story where it may relate to the subject we're talking about.
Or it may not, it may be something totally different and, but it's just story. They're, I think, good stories that I like to hear, so I tell em all the time. But it's a I look at just country living. I've done 'em on on country vehicles, the kind of trucks that vehicles that we use out in the woods and to get around on the farm.
And [00:17:00] I've done 'em about how to pick out a squirrel dog. And what is a squirrel dog? I've done 'em about the stuff that I tote in my overalls. The knives? Yeah. Pocket knives and frog gigging. Yeah, frog gigging has been all kind of stuff. And it's, the subject matter is literally country living.
Yeah, it's anything. It is. It could be making cornbread to catching fish. You know you had Yeah. Done's not, huh? You did the catfish fry cuz I sent you a picture of me pulling the tr line in. Yeah. I said, come on Rick, get your son. Yeah, I talked about, catching fish, Facebook trot line and it could be anything, and I get so many, it's been very well received and it's done exceptionally well.
Folks at Meat Eater are just absolutely tickled about how well it's doing and I couldn't be any more surprised that anybody would be interested in listening to it, but a lot of folks identify with it and I get messages and [00:18:00] texts from people from literally all over the world. Australia and Scotland and England.
My good friend Adam Dean over in England, I talk to him, which I talk to him all the time anyway, but I get. Messages from people that live in New York. I got one from a guy in New, lived in New York City the other day that, as far as I can tell had the only woods he's ever been in. May have been Central Park.
Central Park, yeah. But he was, he is loving it. Yeah. And it was, it reminded him of an old or a simpler time or maybe, what his grandparents talked about or whatever. Anyway, there's something hopefully identifiable in it with everyone and you can listen to it with your whole family.
You ain't got to worry about, language or subject matter being off color or out of bounds, so hopefully people identify with it. I had a lady text me that said that they listened to it at, on Friday night when they all sat down at the supper table to eat. They [00:19:00] would sit there and listen to it.
Me ramble on about whatever it was, I'm rambling on that week. So in that aspect, if it's getting folks together, families that sit down at the supper table and talk amongst themselves, man, that's a, it's worth all the effort that it took to, that it takes to put it out there. And I can't say enough about the folks at mediator that, that produce it.
Hayden, Sam is the main guy that works on mine. He's a sound engineer and longtime employee up there, and absolute great guy. And they they get it, man. They just, they want, they produce a very good product and they they're sticklers for making it right and very professional. And I'm very proud to, to be working with them.
And very humble, very grateful, very blessed to be there. So it's just a, It's a great place. Plus I get to go to Bozo Montana and fly fish. So that's pretty sporty. Yeah. Have you seen that that reel [00:20:00] that they put out, talking about the what do they call it, like fruit and granola, trying to throw a.
A, a fly out in the water and then somebody's pulling up some shark type fishing like now this is fishing. I think it's, yeah, I think about that every time. Cause when I go out west, my goal, I think I said it on a podcast before, when I come back from Yellowstone last year, I'd like to go out there and take a three to five day trip this fishing those rivers because, I love to fish and it's beautiful.
But I think that's pretty funny. Yeah. And I seen Adam was sporting one of you bear greases. Yeah. And then somebody, I don't know if it was you or Clay, had posted the dude in the baseball stadium. I don't know what, who, I don't keep up with baseball, so I don't know who it was, but Yeah. Yeah, he was sitting like the third row up and had the bear grease hat on, yeah. Yeah, man, it's it's become a, like its own club I guess. The I've met a million people wearing that bear grease hat. It's now, it's a Colt Brent. It be what it is, they start handing out purple tennis [00:21:00] shoes. I'm out. But yeah it's pretty cool that people identify with that. I've had folks say that they send me pictures in the DFW airport, you can look across.
Off 200 people and he's got a guy, the head circled is wearing a bar, grease hat. I've had folks come up to me if I'm wearing it and man, that podcast is great. I love listening to that. I love listening to that buries podcast. I'm like, what you thinking about to render? I don't, I ain't never listened to that.
And I'm like you are too. It's pretty good. And they just, they keep all fucking, but it's it's funny. It's, it's it means something to folks and it is just it's good man. It's just, there ain't nothing bad about it. Getting people together and having a good time, just, you can't beat it.
Can't go wrong. I know you and I were talking the other day, and I know this is a hound hunting or a dog training, hound training podcast, but we're gonna go off the rails today and just have a good time because [00:22:00] every time that I'm on the phone with Brent, we laugh and cut up and, so many similarities and.
How, how our paths crossed and all that. We were talking the other day about country living and we were talking about my freezer being full, yeah. And you know what was it you said I've got three freezers, plum full, I've got beef in one, I've got a small freezer with all of our wild game and what fish I can put in there.
And then the third freezer has got a mixture of everything in it. And we were talking about man, that's like a highlight of life that I got a freezer full of stuff. Don't even have to go to the store. Yeah. I'm at the, I'm at the point in my life where Good tree dog, a good seasoned iron skillet and a freezer full of deer and bear meat.
I got the world by the tail man. You said that you'd found some bear in there that you didn't even know you had. Didn't even know I had defrost my defrosted my freezer. Turned that thing up, got a big Yeti cooler and got all the stuff out that was in there. And Alexis and I are digging around the bottom.
She [00:23:00] starts pulling out packages. I'm like, hold. She said, Barry tl. What's that? I'm like, baby, that's gold. That's Bear Tenderloin. I said, we're going to put that on the top of the stack when we get this thing defrosted. So yeah, that's what I got in the Crock Pott right now is it's, it was like, I'll tell you what it was like for folks that ain't that, and most of the folks who listen to this, I guarantee you can't relate, but it's like grabbing a winter coat.
First time and putting your hand in the pocket, finding a $10 bill in there. It's like where that come from. Oh, it's been just laying in there waiting for you to find That's right. Yeah, that's exactly right. But we we have been taken, cuz I'm not a big fan of the bear stakes. For whatever reason it I'm just not crazy about 'em.
So we've been taking the steaks and putting them in the crockpot and then doing like a pulled pork in tacos. Oh yeah. And I actually got that if you guys go back and listen to from field to, to plate with the [00:24:00] chef Shelly she was the one that kind of mentioned that, and I actually put it in the show notes.
Some of her taco recipes, but she, we were off script talking and she was like, just do it this way and you'll probably see a huge difference. And I did. And so we're taking all the steaks that we have. And that's what I'm doing. Putting 'em in a crockpot, doing 'em like pulled pork and eating those things on taco.
We haven't taco bear tacos tonight. Oh man, that's good. I tell you, my wife and little girl, they could eat tacos every day. They love Mexican food. What is it with women? They love it. I don't know, ma'am. My wife is from, she's a Texas, she's from Texas, and they could eat, she could eat three meals a day.
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Now Bailey, [00:27:00] my little girl would rather, Alexis, she's not keen on wild game. Like I had some ribs, some pork ribs. A buddy of mine Corey Eisenhower, he's a fireman and he's got a taxi German studio. He buddy of mine he gave me some pork ribs that he'd on hog he'd kill. And I had him on smoker and Alexis walks up there and said, where you cooking for supper?
And I rolled that top up. She said, oh, those ribs look great. What kinda animal did that come off of? Cause she never knows. We eating, just eat the just eat it, so she's not so crazy about wild game, but Bailey, my gosh, that kid will eat it. She'd love, she would rather eat bar chili than bar steak than anything really her. Yeah you ask her what her favorite meal is and it's it's bare chili and she could eat it in the hottest in the middle August. She loves it. So why, while you're talking about that, I wanna bring, I wanna talk about this real quick. So when I was doing my thing with she, Shelly, she talked about the adrenaline in the game.
When [00:28:00] you take the animal, harvest the animal, of course we run with dogs. So there is that element where you guys are, bow hunting strict mostly, right? Yeah. I kinda wonder, I would really like to exchange some of that and find out if it is, if it has a different taste to it, because I've never eaten one that was harvested without dogs ever.
Yeah. That might absolutely might make a difference. I'm sure it does. The diet of your bears and our bears down here in Arkansas are going to be really similar. Acrons and berries and stuff like that. So the part that would be, different would absolutely be how you take 'em.
Cause I've killed the berries that I've killed here in Arkansas. The furthest one, I think ran maybe 60, 70 yards or most of 'em were dead risk right there within, 30. Yep. Yeah. I'm, and I guarantee you there's absolutely a [00:29:00] change there in, in how it tasted. I would, as I would assume.
Yeah. Yeah. She said she was very adamant about there's going on. Yeah. And something with Alexis, you should tell her that chef Shelly said that the bear was so similar to the pork. That it has this, and she, she talked about adding the spices and stuff that like, like they do to the pork.
So maybe you can play that off and say, ah, that's just a pig man. It's all in her head. Because I have fed that gal bear meat before, and she didn't, it was fajitas, I think it was bare meat feeds. And she was eating it up like it was the last meal before she went to sit in an electric chair.
She was eating it up and I never told her any different. And so it's all in her head, she, and bless man, bless her heart, she'll try anything. When we first got married, she was like, I said, you gonna try some squirrels? She's oh yeah, I'll try 'em. That was 12 or 13 years ago.
However, I can't [00:30:00] do the math in my head real quick. From that we've been married and now if you mention squirrels, like negative amount. So she don't have to impress me anymore. She's she's not eating squirrels or anything like that, but she she tried it for a while, but like I said, Bailey is just the opposite.
She'll eat anything. She'll eat anything you catch. We had, we went frog gig the other night. I had, I did a podcast on this country life about frog gig. And so I needed a couple frogs to, to do a skinning demonstration, for Instagram. And I figured I'd get two, I'd at least get one video good enough to put on there.
So me and Michael Rosemond go out and just passed his house and gig a couple of frogs and I brought 'em back and we skin em. And I filmed all that. And then the next night, me and I got Bailey to help me fry em up. And the first bite that she took that's on that video is the first bite she's ever, first time she's ever held a frog leg in her hand.
And buddy, she just, she went to it like a duck on a roasting ear. She's, [00:31:00] she was eating it up. Yeah. Wait a sec. Did you freeze 'em before you fried 'em? No. No I didn't. Oh, that my mama gonna be mad. Yeah. That was my mama's deal there. No? She didn't like them. Frogs kicking around in the skillet, yeah. Yeah. I remember doing that when I was a kid too. I remember it to make of joke. Yeah, you pour And what Heath is talking about, and I talked about it in that podcast, is my mother would cook all the frog legs that, that we could eat, but she wanted 'em to come outta the freezer. Cause if they're fresh they still got some living cells in those legs and it'll react to stimulus.
You can take a fresh skin, frog leg and lay it and it'll play it and pour a little salt on it and it'll start wiggling and twitching around. Or you put one in the skillet and it'll start wiggling too. Like it's a it's alive and it's kinda weird for sure, but my mama man, she didn't like that at all.
What about snake? You eat snake. I have not now. My brother had, I just ain't never been that hungry. And if I [00:32:00] got up, I probably would. My brother killed a big old rattlesnake one time, and his boys, they'd grown and gone, got families of their own now, but that time they were still in school and they had little boy that lived down the road that would come down and play with my youngest nephew Will.
And this boy was, lays out there playing in the yard and they called the youngest to come in to eat supper. And they walked in there and he said, what is that? And he, my brother told me that's that rattlesnake I killed earlier. We got it fried up and we're going to eat it for supper. And the little boy said I gotta go home.
So he went home and me, he just said he had to go home. Two or three days later, he is back down there playing. And my brother called to me and said, y'all come on and eat. And he asked him, he said, Wade, you going to eat? And he said, no, sir. He said, you ain't hungry. He said, yes, sir. He said, why don't you eat?
He said, I don't never know what y'all gonna have.
So he went, he walked home and that supper. But [00:33:00] that's a way to, my brother said it was, about like frog legs, everybody says, oh, everything's like chicken. Chicken. Yeah. It ain't like chicken. He said it's probably about like frog legs when they gave it. But I've never had it.
I ain't neither. I know a guy, man. It's funny you mentioned that. I know a guy out in west Oklahoma, Jesse McGregor and he makes a living catching them and skinning them, selling the skin, selling the meat. And boy, he sent me some videos of some absolute monsters they catch out there and But anyway, there's obviously a market for it.
Somebody's eating 'em somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I would try it I would try it. I've actually had Mountain Lion before and it's, white like pork. Yeah. Of course now I've heard mixed things about it, but I thought it was decent. I didn't think it was bad. We had a, like a wild game banquet and somebody had brought it in to the church and I don't remember where it come from, but it looked like pork chops is what it looked like.
Yeah. Heck, it may have been pork chops and they said it was a cat but I eat it [00:34:00] and I know I, I'm not, I'll try. I like to try snake. My brother has like yours. He's eaten it before. When they were in the military, I think they called a couple and got hard up and too many Pepsis in 'em, and yeah they was frying him things.
But I'd like to, I guess I would try it. I guess I'm not too good too. I just ain't got that hungry yet. What's too many beans and taters there keeping them skeeters off of you. That's right. Talking about squirrel, let's go, let's talk about some squirrel dogs. Are you are you have one or y'all using clays or what are y'all doing there to catch the squirrels? Yeah. We, I'm using clays. Clays got some fasts and he is got a couple of good ones. One is real good, but that's what I, that was my first introduction to tree dogs when I was growing up. Squirrel dogs.
And my dad and our family had a line of dogs for a long time. And that, that line's completely gone now. But [00:35:00] that was, we used they were mountain curves and some of 'em would've a little fast mixed in here and there, but they were all, Bob, mostly bobtail nine. 90% of 'em were bobtailed growing up.
And we would hunt 'em off horses and these dogs had tree squirrels and bay hogs and we'd catch hogs and mark 'em, or we'd kill 'em in the wintertime and drag 'em out. But they were very useful. They earned a keep on the place where we didn't have them. It just turned out that some of 'em were real good pets, and I've talked about one dog in particular.
His name was Peanut, that was a bobtail mountain cur that was my daddy. I swear. He was my dad's favorite son, is how I describe him. But he was a short enough diehard tree dog and and a good hog dog too. It's funny you say peanut cuz my dutchie my. Work dog is called Pinot, and all the [00:36:00] detectives make fun of him and call him Peanut.
Yeah. And I tell 'em, I said, go ahead, I'll let him out. And you pet him while you're calling him Peanut, they all start backpedaling. But that's what they make fun of poke at him all the time, calling him peanut. I'm like, he does. In fact, I've got to where I've actually called him at some, I out on that track the other day and we headed.
Yeah. And I headed back to the car and I called him at and I looked, I was like, what are you doing? Don't do that. You had, and something else I wanna talk about is you had a, you talked in your podcast about your lab. Was it Annie? Anna. Anna. What, tell me about her because you was talking about that other guy that come in and supposed to have this really nice dog and you kinda had to learn.
He had to learn through his dogs hadn't seen the amount of ducks and stuff that yours did. Yeah. And we talk about dog training. And, that's a that's a lot of different difference in the worlds than the cap drive, driving the ca capping the drives on the dog and stuff, especially when they're stimulated that [00:37:00] much.
Tell me a little bit about her and what, how she came about, what you did with her. I, that was pretty interesting when I was listening to that. She was she was a black lab, rested black lab and she was outta Louisiana and a friend of mine did a tree planting job for this guy down in Louisiana.
This dog trainer, professional dog trainer, lab trainer. And I think he did, he may have done some police kine stuff too, I believe. But anyway, he was a well known trainer down there. And this tree planting job that he come up with, I'm not sure the guy kinda got in a bad financial slot there for about, for a few months before he kinda get his head above water.
And he called my buddy that They did the tree planting for him and said, look, man I can't pay you right now. I'm gonna have to work something out. And my buddy said he was a just absolute wonderful human being said, man, don't you train duck dogs? He said, I do. You said gimme one, just gimme a [00:38:00] trained dog and we'll call the rest of this job even.
And so he did, and he had that dog for about two months and he called me and he said, Bren, I want you to, I was working at the sheriff's office and Bradley County that at, during that time, and we were friends and he called me, he said, I need you to come down here. I want you to look at something.
So I drove down there far end of the county, and he said, I got this Labrador dog here I want, and I, it's a duck dog supposed to be fully trained. You know what? You know how to run one, don't you? I'm like sure. He said if this thing is worth What it's supposed to be $6,000. Now, this was, whew this would've been about 1993 or four.
So it's gone up in price a lot. So at that time, he said, this is supposed to be a $6,000 dog, and I need to know if my investment is good. I'm like, okay. So I got the dog out, got a bumper, and started giving a [00:39:00] heel and fetch and find out what her name was. She was, she would go on her name.
And then I throwing dummies out and doing hand signals, blind retrieves, and, this dog was like a remote control. And I said, this is, this dog is absolutely well worth $6,000, what you paid for. And he said, good. He said, what would you think about hunting her? I said, oh gosh, I'd hunt that dog.
Absolutely. Every day of the season he said take her home. And I just, make a long story short, it was she was a year old. We ca we had her for 13. When I got her, she was almost a year old. When I got her and I finished out her training, she was more or less done. I just repeated the stuff that carried on, the stuff that their trainer had started and 12 years later when she died and we put her in a hole, I thought I was gonna have to put my son in there with her.
She was a absolute, one of the absolute best dogs I've ever [00:40:00] hunted over. And it was a weird way to get it, I couldn't have afforded a dog like that, back then my salary, I was making, $20,000 a year Peanuts. Yep. Yeah. A six, a $6,000 dog. Man, that was a car to me.
Yeah. Anyway, I got her and we hunted her and she, there's been folks all over the country that's hunted with her and she made a big impression on a lot of people. She I remember my dad told me one time when I was a kid, he said, if you've got something of value that you value and other people will value it, don't ever put a price on it.
Cause there's somebody out there that'll pay for it. And I, so I, and I didn't really understand what he was talking until one day she was probably three, three or four years old, excuse me. And we were hunting with some folks I can't even remember where this guy was at. Somewhere in Georgia, I believe be real successful.
Businessman that had come and was hunting there with us at our guy [00:41:00] booked to hunt with some clients of his, so we were duck hunting, hunting them. And we were in the timber and, we were just smashing ducks and she was retrieving them. And he said, boy, I sure would like to have that dog.
And I said she ain't for sale. And it started, they were there for three days on the third day when they're getting ready to leave. And it, this has been going on the whole time, every time the lull and the conversation came about, he started wanting me to put a price on that dog and about how much he liked her.
And he loved, man. He just followed that dog around all over the cabin or all over the camp. So they getting ready to leave, they're saddling up and I'm sitting upstairs with a cup of coffee and he comes up and we're talking and he's paid for his visit and all his clients. He said, man, he said, I'm going one more time.
He said, I'll I sure would like to have that dog. And I said, I know you would. She's not for sale. He said, what would you take for her? I said, $10,000. He pulled out his checkbook. He said, will you take this right now? [00:42:00] $10,000? And started, I said whoa. There's no way. I wouldn't have sold that dog for a million.
I really wouldn't have, and as bad as I needed the money. But that was the lesson to me right there, don't pay price if you don't wanna sell. Cause somebody will pay for it. And there's no doubt in my mind he would a, he would've wrote me a check for that dog right there. And all I had to done was load her up in his truck and told her buy.
But yeah, I got seven more years, seven or eight more years of memories off of that. That was a lesson learned for me right there. Yeah. I've done that a couple times. I've priced some young dogs that I had that I thought was ridiculous for what they were worth and.
Lord Day about jerk my arm outta socket, taking the dog from me. And I got rid of two good dogs, really good dogs by that. And I, you can't replace, you can't replace a dog if they'd give you $10,000 right there. You've spent 20 trying to replace her. Oh, yeah. [00:43:00] Yeah. Yeah. I got that. I was blessed to get that dog.
It was through a friendship and through this man that's a friend of mine that recognized the value of that dog and what a waste it would've been if he'd just had her around his house as a pet. Because she was an absolutely outstanding pet. And she, there would've been a no better pet you could have had, but all that other stuff, all the capabilities that she had and everything, that it would've been an absolute disservice to that dog, to not hunt her and let her do what?
Her natural ability told her to do. I've told a thousand stories about that dog. My son, hunter Drake Hunter is his name, but they were as tight as a human and a dog has ever been at any time. They grew up together. He never remembered a time that she wasn't in our life and as close as they were, it was [00:44:00] wherever he was at, she was at.
But as soon wherever he was at in the boat, she was with him in the boat. But as soon as we put her up on the dog stand, he could pet her. You could pet her. I could pet her. She was absolutely oblivious to anything going on around her other than watching, keeping her eyes on the skies, watching for ducks.
And she didn't whine, she didn't whip her. She didn't lick on nobody. She didn't. She was absolutely 100%. Engrossed and ingrained in doing what she was put on this earth to do. Now, hunter could stand beside her and occasionally she would nudge him with her head, but the rest of the time she was looking at the sky, man.
It was really cool to watch how focused that dog is. And, you, y'all talk about training dogs on here all the time, man. You can't train that. They're, they're just, they just got it. That's right. They got, or they don't. So I've [00:45:00] been blessed in having the few dogs that I've had, her being the one and then this coon dog here that, I, I trained it with the help of a lot of folks, mainly Rex Whiting, McKoon Hunting, PUD and Michael Roseland.
But they have, th this dog has got a lot of a natural ability and. I more or less just put it in a position to to, for him to do his thing. Just giving him an opportunity. And I, yeah. And then when I praised him, he is okay, this is, not only do I want to do this, the boss thinks it's a good thing for me to do it, so I'm going to gonna keep on doing it.
So it, I've had very little correction on this dog to keep him straight and going straight. And I want to go back. I got two. I wanna touch up on what you're talking about on both of your dogs, Wayland and her, but, so I'm not in the retriever world much and that's [00:46:00] something we're getting ready to tap into.
So you guys listening, if you're a retriever fanatics, we are gonna tap into some of that stuff here in the next few podcasts. So y'all are going to want to tune in and listen to some of the guests that we got coming on. Cause it's pretty exciting. But so you got hurt a year old is I.
That, like to get a dog of that quality at that young, is that typical for the retrievers? Did he have a kennel with five of those in there and said, oh, here you go. Here's my worst one, or here's, they're all the same. Just take your pick. How does that work in the retriever world or, man, it's the same.
It's, it is just it's the same, whether you're training coon dogs or squirrel dogs or cow dogs, you're going to, the cream's gonna rise. You got always for example, in analogy, and one of my favorite analogies, one I actually came up with myself, [00:47:00] Jim Kelly, is a hall of fame quarterback.
That dude had 10, 15, he had a whole pass of brothers. Same mama, same daddy. Only one of those guys is in the Hall of Fame. And you would think how come his brothers wasn't there? They played, some of 'em played football, they were sports, they're good athletes, but only one of them made it to the Hall of Fame, the football Hall of Fame.
And it's the same with these dogs. You'll see it, you'd get a litter a 10 and you get two out of there, or you get one, or sometimes you get none. This it's the dogs that show perception and the ones that show the signs of being able to understand what you wanted to do. The best dog in the world, most dogs, I'd say all dogs that doesn't have some type of mental defect, they want to please whoever the guy is that's [00:48:00] feeding them.
It's been and my dad always said he could pick out the best squirrel dog out of a litter. When they hit the ground and he said that the best dog is always gonna be the one that gets hunted. He said, I guarantee you I hunt. I picked a red one out of all the, and the rest of 'em are white. I pick one outta 10.
If I hunt this one more than the rest of them, all things are the same. There's no, mental defects on one cause they just like people, they got problems too. But if all things are the same, the one that turns out's, the one that gets hunted, and I'm a firm believer in that and I know there's it's not, no absolutes in animals or training either one. But having the opportunity, putting the opportunity in front of a dog to get out there and do what you want 'em to do, once they I think they have an inherent desire to please you. They also have a genetic code that they can't fight in a, that they can't deviate from.
And if a tree [00:49:00] dog you're talking to about a tree dog, if they want to go out and naturally trail and tree an animal, if you, all you need to do is establish the parameters of what you're gonna allow 'em to do. Are you gonna let 'em run a deer before they come across a coon track and strike and trail it?
Are you going to let 'em fight at the tree? Are you going to whatever you that you need to correct? That's, to me, that's what my job is to let that dog more or less do his thing. And then I'm going, I should adjust to how he hunts to, to make it easier for him to be successful. Michael Roseman, I love that guy, but I promise you he will and he will tell you.
If he cuts a dog, if he we're training pups and he cuts a puppy loose and he goes out there, strikes tracks and trees in 10 minutes and I'm over there jumping, doing cartwheels and happy [00:50:00] about what's going on. And he looks at me and why didn't he do that in nine minutes instead of 10 minutes?
Yeah. So that's just the way Michael is me. I'm on the opposite. I'm like, holy cow. This dog did it. And a lot of people are that way. They gotta and I'm not saying that's wrong at all, but I think you're, I think it's more enjoyable to me. And Michael will tell you the same thing. And then Michael's gonna listen to this.
He's going to hear it. He's gonna be chunking stuff at me for saying this, but he'll tell you the same thing. He, man, he's just hard. He wants always to be better and that's how he's got such good dogs is cause of that. He's never satisfied with what he's got. He always wants to be better and be better.
And he does. He does. He has that and he's been successful cause of that. But to me, man, I'm strictly a pleasure hunter. And what I want to do, and what I was able to do with this dog was to turn him loose and hunt him by himself. And I [00:51:00] adapted more or less to his style of hunting. It just happened.
We just happened to fit, it was a one in a million picked. I looked for six months, Heath for a dog. When I decided I was gonna get another coon dog, I looked for six months. That dog and I talked to people on the phone. Waylon was the absolutely only dog I went and looked at. And when I got there and I seen him, I thought, that's my dog right there.
And I don't have no idea other than divine intervention of what, how it came to be. But, I, I hunted now the next dog that I get I'm always gonna compare it to this one. That's gonna be hard for me to accept the way this next dog hunts that I get. Cause I'll get another one. He's like I said, he'll be four in August.
So it's time to start looking. Oh, Wayland the Wonder Dog hit the lottery. Yeah. For would he hooked up with Brent Reeve? That's Sund laying back there stretched out on the bed like he owns the [00:52:00] place. Yep, he does own the place. Look at him. He's snoring. That means snoring over there. He's gonna have drool all over him.
You gonna have to, you're gonna have to wash his sheets, Brent. Yep. Yep. For sure. But I, I, that's, that is my concept, I guess of. Of hunting and I'm sure a lot of people do. It's nothing. I'm not an anomaly. It's nothing new. You've got a style that you like and that's what's going to keep you either keeping a dog or pushing him on somewhere else where, someone else might like him.
But I was, I went into this absolutely looking for two things. I wanted to be able to control that dog to tell him what to do. And when he treated Coon, I wanted him to stay there until I got there. And that's the only issue. That's the things that I put down on the list that I needed him to do, the requirements for him to do, was to do what [00:53:00] I told him when I told him.
And I think all that came from having Labradors all those years. And I wanted him to, to be true, to be right. And a case in point was just the other night, Michael and I were hunting on up on the White River on some private ground up there, and Wayland got treed across the lake, big old Oxbow Lake.
And, but we just couldn't get around there to him. So we pulled up to where an old boat ramp was and looked across the lake and sure enough, you, I could see Wayland, we had the those dead gun. I got one in my hunting co, I can't remember what you called them. Thermal. The, yeah. Thermal. Thermal imager. And we looked across there and we can see Wayland. We can see the coon. He's got him, I don't need to go over there. I called him one time and he turned and looked at me. I called him again. He jumped in that lake and swam 185 yards over to where I was at, and I loaded him up.
And away we went. Some folks say, oh man you need to go to him or [00:54:00] you need to you can't have a dog that handles that good cuz it'll take some drive away from him. Not for Brent. That's my dog. And I like the way he does that. That, that's just something that, that I like that's what fits my style.
That's the reason they make Fords and Chevrolets. Everybody likes something different. And this cat back here coming to me when I call him, that's what I like. And theres so many things I can touch on there. The first thing is, it's so much, it's so easy and pleasurable to train a dog. And you're really not training it that has the natural instinct to do what it's bred to do.
You said it, and I've said it numerous times on the podcast, is you just supply the dog with opportunity and you set boundaries. That's it. Yeah, and that's, you've looks like you've had two of those. A lot of people ask me about how much obedience is too much. How much is too much for me?
If it's done wrong, then you can shut a dog's drive down. [00:55:00] Absolutely. But when it's done correctly, you're not hurting. The dog's drive whatsoever. And one of the things that I see, and I follow a bunch of people on Instagram, I follow a bunch of people on Fakebook. One of the things that I cannot and Brent just like you, you have one dog and allows you to do some things that a lot of people don't do or don't want to do, is you're spending every minute that your home, that dog's in the house with you guys.
You're spending time with that dog and time with that dog and time with that dog. Somebody has probably got their hands on that dog inside your house the majority of the day. Yes. And it shows you can go hunting with somebody, you can watch these videos and stuff that people post on Instagram.
And you can see who spends time with their dogs. And that doesn't take anything. It just takes the time. It takes. Okay. And I talk about it too, and I know that me and Chad Reynolds had talked about it on one [00:56:00] of the other podcasts. If you take 18 minutes a day, every day, you're doing more than 95% of the people in the world.
I firmly believe that's true. Yeah. Yeah. And you're, youre spending more than 18 minutes a day because the dog literally lives with you. And I, it resonates it, it makes a world of difference. And I know that everybody can't, I've got 14 dogs. I can't bring 'em all in the house, but Sure.
My young dogs come in. My young dogs have been at, when I woke up this morning, I've got three puppies, four puppies, actually got a five month old and some three months old. The three months old have been out of the pen. Now I do live on a, in a farming area. I'm a li My neighbors are great.
They're, they're far enough away. But they've been out of the pen since, since I got up this morning at seven o'clock. I've got 'em out. I've done a little bit of ex I've done a little bit of work with them. They've been running loose all day and then tonight at dark, I put 'em back up and the only reason that I put 'em up [00:57:00] is because I've got a skunk that's up here in the field that's lurking around and I don't want 'em catching it.
Yeah. And we have coyotes that are pretty thick at times. Yeah. So I'm just being cautious. That's it. Now my five month old, the thief I've gotta watch her when I cut her out, but gotta put some ankle weights on that dog. Yeah. So now I've gotta be able to keep an eye on her. She don't run off or anything, but when the girls are at the barn and they're down there, I try to put her up because I don't want her stealing all her stuff.
But she's out. A big part of the day too. And that, to me, that helps dogs mature. It lets 'em explore. It lets 'em investigate things that I'm not forcing them into or I'm not making 'em do on that, that they don't wanna do. So anyway, yeah. A hands-on is a majority of training a dog and spending time with it.
I'm gonna tell you here's the way I look at it. Some folks look at [00:58:00] dogs and there's nothing wrong, whatever. If you're keeping that, get, keeping that dog a good place to live and feeding it good and taking care of it, if it gets sick, you take it to the vet, whatever, that, that's all in my mind as far as I'm concerned.
You're required to do, show a little affection that you don't beat 'em up all the time. Just be good to a dog. But that some folks look at it as a tool and what I got a hammer. I got a tool chest in my garage and I got a hammer in it. I don't bring my hammer in the house and let it sit around.
That dog ain't a tool to me that dog's a part of this family and it's more enjoyable. We love and share the time with our pets. With our dogs. Cause we're all dog people. If, I guess if we were Hammer people, we'd have be toting hammers around in the house all the time.
But to me that dog is not a tool while I use it, like one when I'm out hunting. But to me, I never hunt by myself [00:59:00] cause I'm, people say you going hunting by yourself or you like to hunt by yourself. I'm like, I ain't never by myself. I got my dog. And that's just time that we share together.
So it's good to be able to have somebody else to go with you, but sometimes, man, I just sitting out in the woods and just being old whaling, just kicking it around. So it's. I get a whole lot more out of it. That way there would be a missing part of my life if we didn't, if it didn't involve these dogs.
It's just, it makes my life richer by doing it because my wife could absolutely care less if he ever hunted another minute. She don't care. She just loves that dog. And it's just it's just part of what we do. It's part, but now it's part of, it's part of what we do. He he will get a little rambunctious every now and then.
She's you need to take this dog hunt and let him run some energy out. She really likes it. When I go hunting with Michael, cause Michael, that fool don't know when to come home. It's usually two o'clock in the morning before I ever [01:00:00] get home. And then Wayland, he lays around like for two days he's just knocked out.
Yeah. She don't have to worry about him. Going to stick his head in the dishwasher or something. Now wait a second. Now when he gets out of them, swamps and them, whatever y'all call 'em down there, do they give that dog a bath every day? He don't get a bath every day. No. But he's, he gets cleaned up. He, this dog has got it made, man.
He don't get, he don't get a bath every day, but he gets a bath occasionally. And that's a lot of it. Sometimes we just rinse him off, but he's clean when he comes in the house. But you were talking about dogs being, just a part of life and Oh yeah. And I was thinking that's just, I was thinking, that, that fits your title or your podcast, that's just a part of country life.
Sure. Like everybody, most everybody, I guess you can't categor categorize everybody, but most everybody in the country has a dog or two. Yeah. Like growing up, for me it was the same. I was raised on a small farm and we always had a [01:01:00] dog by our side. Always. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We, I never, there's never a time of my life from the time I hit my feet hit the planet that we didn't have dogs, hunting dogs. And we would weren't big on pets, we didn't have like little like Jack Russell's. I got a Jack Russell right now. Yeah. Tasmanian Devil. Yeah. We didn't have those, we had dogs that were utilitarian.
They were performing a function. But that we also, loved and and treated as pets. But as far as a dog that was eating at the Reeves house, he was performing a function of some type. He better earn his grub. Exactly. He had to earn his groceries.
Yeah. I'm with you. But then you get the girls involved and then it don't matter if they're productive or not, like it's staying, you can go get another one and then it don't work out and it's staying and then you go get another one and you end up like me. With 14 stinking dogs out here.
Yeah. And three of them's worth keeping. The [01:02:00] rest of 'em ain't worth frying paying. You just described Rex Whiting's life right there. That's it. Yeah. That's his life. I know I've taken up enough your time plus, I know you're busy. But I appreciate you getting on here and catching up and man, we listen to the, your podcast and it's great.
And we, we've talked the other day. It, I think one of the things that, we take for granted and you've tapped into it, is, this is how we grew up. We grew up doing the exact things you talk about. That was a way of life. And I think the older generation, which was our age, it all resonates with us and the younger generation, like they're intrigued by it and wish they knew about it.
Yeah, I, that's the appeal, I looked at I looked at me, neither showed me some statistics, man, and a large part of the people, the demographics of the people that watch this are 20 years younger, that are, that listen to me, are 20 years [01:03:00] younger than I am. And then, they think it's an anomaly.
A guy talking about this kinda stuff you can't swing a dead cat in Arkansas and not hit somebody just like me. That's right there. There's more people, I know more people like me than I know people that ain't like me. And I know a bunch of folks. Yeah. So it's, I think it's just having the opportunity to talk about it.
Anybody could do it. I just happened to be the one that was blessed to be in the position at the right time to be able to talk about it. Yeah, fan doing a phenomenal job with it. Keep it up and we'll keep listening and like I said, I appreciate you coming on and chit chatting. And like I said, we didn't get a lot of dog training done.
We talked some dogs, but it's always good to catch up. I want you to get down here when it cools off. Cause I, I can tell you now, I'm not coming to the mountains to hunt. I'll come to fish with you. Come on. I ain't coming to hunt. I ain't i'll, I ain't coming to hunt up there unless we can ride to the tree.
Cause that's what me and Michael do. We ride. Can't tree buddy. Can't promise you. I can't promise you that I can get you [01:04:00] close. Maybe. I've been in the mountains and being close to something don't necessarily mean it's easy. It's all downhill until you have to come back to the truck. That's what happens.
Yeah, that's right. That's, I appreciate it man. Thank all Brent. Thank you for helping us teach, train, and just learn. Learn about country life. Hey, this. Yeah.