The Truth: Shot is Hot!

Lane Denny is HOT with SHOT!!!

On this week’s Episode of the Truth, Josh sits down with good friend Lane Denny at his home outside Grove, Oklahoma to talk coonhounds, hot streaks, and legacy!  Lane has been in the winners circle often in all the registries; Pro Sport, PKC and UKC, but lately he has been doing it with a different dog, in a different way.  Lane talks about his Treeing Walker coonhound Shot, the adjustments he’s made, and his plans for Shot’s future, both in the woods and the stud pen.  This is a highly informative conversation that you definitely won’t want to miss, and it is only on the Houndsman XP Podcast Network!!

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All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Truth on the Hounds, my XP podcast network, and today I am here in Lovely Grove, Oklahoma. It's nice out here, lane. It is. Yep. Yes. God, country. Your new place is beautiful. It's a little warmer than I'd, it's 80 degrees outside right now. Yep. A little flatter.

Yes. About your, much flatter than the last place that you lived at. Yep. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yep. But Lane, I was able to come down here. I'm picking up a dog off Joe, and we've been trying to get this done for a while. Of course, whenever you come up to go to the zones for Tournament Champions, we were gonna do it.

And then just like today, pretty much everybody's running late and it takes, everything takes longer than what we think and we couldn't get this done. So I'm glad to be able to get down here and sit with you now, but I wanted to sit down and talk with this. Your what? [00:02:00] Third appearance on Hounds Man? Xp? Yeah, I think so.

I know second or third, I know when you won the world, the first Hounds Man XP that I listened to. I think was when you won the youth world with Emmy, maybe. I don't know if I'd done a podcast then. I do know the first one I'd done, I think was when Fielder was still, yeah. We done it. And I think it was when we won the U KC World Hunt.

That may have been it. Yeah. Yeah. And then and then I I guess this will probably be my second time because I did another one. And it was just like a little short deal, I think. But Yep. But yeah, I think this is my second time, I believe. Yeah. I'm glad to have you back me and you've been friends for quite a while.

I hunt with you quite a bit when I'm down here. I know you've been up at the house hunting with me and I was able to, I think the only cast that shots lost in the last six months I was handling him. Yeah. Yep. Probably. Yeah. And just so people know, we didn't buy a shot that was an April Fool's joke.

Yeah. Yeah. Thank goodness, yep. Yeah I don't think Finley's goofy enough to buy that. Sorry. Thing of mine. I'll [00:03:00] tell you what, we'd have liked to had him. I know, I've hunted a shop for a long time. I've always liked him. He's always been real businesslike. He's always been good about having his coons.

And of course he's got that good male dog mouth and all that stuff, like he's supposed to. But it seems like here in the last four or five, six months, you've really been on a roll. He's making more trees. What have you done different. Lately was shot. Man, I tell you, last year he, he was he had one super Saks left and we run him in a lot of open hunts.

We got lucky there in the month of May and picked up quite a bit of money and run for a truck ticket and got a truck ticket with him and so we thought, we was, we ended up, like we was at that time, we was like fourth or something in the national male race and.

I thought there's probably no way we can win this thing, but let's just roll with it a little bit. And we put him in a lot of casts and I'll be honest with you, I've ki I got the slacking on the just coon hunting part. I put him in way too many hunts without pleasure hunting him.

And I told myself at the end of the na, at the end of the race, we was out of it, UMRA and him they kept pushing and my [00:04:00] dog was basically falling apart. I'll be honest. We just put him in too many casts. At the end of that thing, I'm like, you know what? I'm just gonna take this winter and I'm just gonna coon hunt him.

And I'm not gonna mess with him at all. I'm just gonna cut him loose and shoot a bunch of coons to him. And And just let him have fun with it. And honestly, that's what I've done this last winter. I've just hunted him like he one should be hunted. I went back to, hunting pretty hard and feeding him a lot of coons and just letting him have fun with it.

And I think it's just a big combination between that. I think mentally the dog is finally where he needs to be at. He just turned four and mentally he's. As good as he ever has been. Yeah. And I think a lot of dogs, at times, a lot of dogs, it takes that mental development to him, to get real mature and to settle down.

And he has, he's just settled down, and I think that's, other than just coon hunting like I did, I think it's just a lot of, it's just with age and he's just settled down. And his mama was that way too. Yeah. Emmy was that way. She was. She was one you always had to stay on top of until she was [00:05:00] about four.

And then it was just like a flip, a switch, flip man. And she was just a whole different dog. Way more consistent. She just settled down and and started doing her job and, she was having fun with it. Now I think that's a lot of his deal and I think.

From the ones I've seen outta Emmy, that I've raised, I think all of 'em about that way really. They're pretty good dogs when you start 'em. Pretty good young dogs, but man, when they get to that four or five years old stage, they're the best they'll ever be. And I think that's just, in my opinion, I think that's probably what did it, he, don't get me wrong, he's.

Still a dog. And he's still he's still a coal, but I tell you he's he's doing a lot better now than what he was. Two years ago when he was a two-year old. Do you think it's a, cuz you know the track record that we have with all our male dogs, you've hunted with all of 'em.

You've hunted with shock bones, Ralph Con duds, where they hit that two year old mark and their lights out. And then they go through that same thing that shot went through where we get to pushing them and we get to putting 'em in hunts and then they fall apart a little bit. But [00:06:00] other than maybe dollar duds won a little bit late, after I got aggravated with him and put him up for a while.

But, most of ours, we can't bring him back, do you think that might be a genetic thing or is that something that you're doing different as a handler than what we're doing? I tell you what I think, I don't think it's anything I do it different because. Honestly, I'm just, I don't know no more than anybody else.

But I think a lot of it is no different than an athlete. Some athletes can recover from things, from whatever that may be. And I think mentally, I think that's what it is in a dog, in my opinion. I think a dog can, some dogs you can, they can get to that point where they're not having fun with it anymore.

And and they just don't operate for you. And then, I think you can take just a, 45, 50 days and just coon hunt 'em and they can bring them back. And I think some of 'em just can't. But I think mentally, I think is what. It depends on, and I believe it's, I don't necessarily, in my opinion I don't believe it's genetics.

Yeah. I don't, I just think it's just how they are. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I think that's, I was hoping you'd give me some just golden [00:07:00] tickets so I could bring all these resurrected dogs back. But I still pack around the feet all the time. I promise you, I wish I could, I wish I knew the secret to it.

Cause if I did, I'd be a millionaire and I'd have a lot better dogs than I got. So there's a few guys that bring, I think of Steve Ya, Steve will get a washed up dog every now and Chad Dolan don't want 'em unless they're like already 13 years old. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.

And it just depends on, and a lot of it's how the guys hunt. Yeah. How guy hunts, I know Chad and Steve both. They're hard hunters. Yeah. They feed them dogs. A lot of coons. And I think, in my opinion, Because it really, we can look at, look overlook at things a lot of times and put 'em in too many hunts and and they're having fun still doing that. I feel and they're still enjoying doing their job. But at the same time, at the end of the day, in my opinion, of course, every dog's different. Some dogs you can go five years without feeding them in cubs. Yeah. But. I think once you take a dog and just take 'em away from Cass and pleasure hunt 'em, whether that be by theirself or with another dog or whatever the case may be, but just take 30, 45 days and just coon hunt 'em and [00:08:00] shoot some coons out to 'em.

I think you can fix a lot of things doing that, and I think you can really overcome a lot of things by doing that. And then, and I could be wrong, but that's kind what Shot has taught me and so is Emmy. Yeah, and but yeah I just, that's the only thing I can think of, what about Cuz Emmy or Shot is out of Emmy, of course. Yep. And he's out of big money. Yep. You raised him from a baby puppy or did you get him when he was a little older? He was a little older, so he was Kevin Cables pick of the litter. Shot was and So I, Kevin got him, Kevin raised him till he was about, I would say he was probably eight or nine months old.

Yeah. And and then Kevin sold him to Bradley Kelly, actually, that's how Kevin got money in the bank. Bradley had money in the bank and I think they done some trading. Yeah. And And Kevin ended up getting bank, and then Bradley ended up getting shot, but I think he was just 10 month old puppy.

And Bradley posted him for sale and I bought him from Bradley when he was 10 months old, I think. Yeah. Was he, you just, she probably hadn't been messed with him. No, he hadn't. The night I remember [00:09:00] we drove to the Missouri Pro Hunt and he picked him up and we, we didn't do no good.

We come back on Saturday, turned him loose. And Not knowing what to expect. And he didn't do much. He made a couple slicks. Yeah. He wouldn't hardly go hunting. And we turned him loose on a coon we saw across the road and. He struck that coon and run it wide open, located great big.

I thought, all right, this might be the deal here. We can get it shot out to him. He shut up and come right back to me and I thought there you go. That's, you're a good one. That's your, you fit just right in. And Mike Ken, old buddy. That just goes to show you, especially, it's different when you raise him from a baby puppy and you could see that progression.

But when you take a young dog that has probably hasn't been outta the kennel much and stuff like that, you can't take a whole lot of stock into what they do the first night or two at a new place. Yep. No, you can't. And that's that's one thing about it. Some dogs, you, it takes 'em a little bit to warm up to you and, but just, I, Bradley had said he'd treated a couple coons by himself and he probably did, but [00:10:00] Literally he come from Indiana to Missouri to the pro hunt.

Yep. And stayed in my dog box while I hunted a late round. And then we drove all the way home and then we pulled him outta the box and turned him loose again. Yeah. Yeah. But, but gradually, you could tell the dog and if he had treated. Any coons at all. It was just maybe a couple.

Yeah. And but when did you see him really start picking it up and knew that you probably had something that you might like? So I hunted him for a while, probably a month, and of course not a month straight, but I hunted him for a month, hunted him with Emmy, and hunted him with some other dogs and the dog would make trees.

I think he was probably trans squirrels, probably. As a puppy. And And one night my dad and I was coon hunting and I, we had him and he made a couple trees and I wouldn't work on him cuz I was, he, I, you could tell he just didn't know a whole lot. Yeah. So I wasn't real bad about working on him.

And we just headed home from hunting. We got about a mile from my dad's place and we saw Coon across the road and I thought, we'll try it again. First time didn't work, so we'll try again. We [00:11:00] cut him loose on it, man. He struck it and, Run at about a hundred yards and loaded up and come trees, and had a coon, shot it out to him and he just slowly started progressing.

Yeah, from there. But far as like, when I knew I had something in him, he, even when he was, when I first started him, he done some of the things that Emmy done when I first started her, good and bad. The dog didn't care what nothing was doing. He'd come to this world just he didn't have no ears, and and he was, when he got treated, he was, a stay put tree dog and things like that. But, I just seen the little things about him that I saw in Emmy and and I thought, man, and plus he was the only thing I had outta Emmy at the time.

So I'm like, I'm gonna put all my time into him and see what he makes, and. And it just worked out. After that coon, he just slowly started getting better. Just, it just seemed like night after night he would learn something new and he would get better, and get better, but until he was probably, I.

I don't know, 17, 18 months old before he settled down. He didn't settle down, but before he got consistent about Tran Coons and [00:12:00] stuff like that, so is that about when you started putting him in a few hunts? Yeah, I did. Yeah. I put him in a few hunts and I, I think he was about 17 months old.

I do know his one year old super steaks. I had a goal set. I wanted to win this money for the nationals and take in the super steaks and and He had to have been about 17 months old when I started hunting him. And because we'd run a little bit, we got his thousand one for nationals, and stuff.

But and even then he wasn't, he was just about good enough to take to town basically. Yeah. We was still working on things pleasure hunting him and trying to get him right. A thousand dollars to win a thousand dollars down here is not like winning a thousand dollars in a lot of places.

It's hard to win down here. Yeah, it is. If, I've always said this, if you've got a one year old or two year old or whatever, how old your dog is as the super stakes and you're trying to win this money and you can win your money down here, you got a good shot at getting in. Yeah. Of course that don't always happen.

A lot of, a lot of factors go into that. Yeah. But if you got one down here that you can take to, to, and put him in three or four casts and win two of them down here in this country. You've got [00:13:00] something. And these guys ain't gonna let you win a cash just to get your 101 on the pup, are they?

No. They're not, they're good guys to hunt with, but I'm telling you right now, you're gonna earn everything you get. Yep. What about how'd he do it? His first super steak? He done good. Honestly. I say that we took him down. I didn't have no expectations. The dog even.

Even as a one-year old, he was a very consistent cast winner. Yeah. He won a lot of the cash you put him in and he he was always a stay outta trouble type dog. He was, yeah. He never, yeah. But as a one-year old though, he was a really good strike dog. Yeah, he was a very good strike dog. He grew outta that.

He did. And then I hated. I hated, man. I'm like, gosh, I wish I could get him to bark, and, But he was a very good strike dog. So he was a dog that would always have 200. Yeah. Every single time in a Cass he'd have 200, maybe 1 75 on a rare occasion, but he would always treat, have a coon.

He ne he didn't miss a whole lot. He would miss way more then that he does now. But he was just a consistent cast winner. And but yeah, he was, but as a [00:14:00] one-year-old, go back to the super steaks as a one-year-old, we took him the super steaks and. It was I think it was the year that they had postponed it.

Yeah. And it happened at the time I was working for the Oklahoma Forestry Services and we was real busy month of April. We'd be super busy and they postponed it, I think to May. And so we went out there and I hunted all week. I hunted four nights. He won early Monday, won ear and got beat late Monday, won early Tuesday.

He got beat late Tuesday. Got beat early Wednesday, and then Thursday he won early and got beat late. So he won three outta four Earlys. Yeah. As a one year old. The super stakes. And I was pretty, it would've been cool to double up and get in at the super stakes with him, but man, I just, I'm like, man, this dog, he and it wasn't like he'd fall apart on Laydowns.

Yeah. He would just, I don't know. We just always seem not catch a right breaker. Or maybe he's easy, he'd spend too much time on the ground in, it's easy to catch a bad break in a late round. It is, yeah. Especially at Super Stakes or World Home, something like that. It's easy to do. [00:15:00] But what, after you got back from super stakes to win three out of four early rounds is not easy.

First of all to win that late round's hard because, you're turning loose in dogged out spots. Yeah. Especially on Thursday, tired dogs and stuff, and it's easy for a dog to make a mistake or to not. To take five, 10 minutes off when it should have. And they, a lot of times they tree that coon that they need five minutes after the cast that's right is over or something like that, so you had, you said you were feeling good, you got him home. And what were your, what was your goals for him then as you come back from Superstates? I wanted to take him to Nationals. Yeah. The world hunt, I wanted to take into them bigger, major events. At the time we was still at the time we were still hunting Emmy a little bit.

Yep. Not much. Like we was taking her to some bigger stuff and so it was a transitioning thing, we was, I remember it was hard for you to keep Emmy Yep. At the house and take shot at that time. Yeah. Yeah. Because you look at what all Emmy had done for you. Exactly. It was so hard to leave her in the kennel when, you got a proven winner out there.

Yep. Yeah. That's a fact. And it was about that time that we decided, we was gonna pretty much, [00:16:00] Wes gonna Hunter and purine nationals that year. That was last year. They had it. It. And we was gonna hunt in that, and then we was gonna pretty much just focus on shot, and put her in some bigger stuff.

But we it, like I said, it was hard to leave her at home, especially the stuff she had won for me and done for me and stuff like that. And but, it was just man, I just, my goals as far as my goals with him, I, I didn't really have high expectations with him.

I just wanted to, I just wanted to hunt him in some bigger hunts. And see how he'd faring and because, and then still work on him and try to get him right. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because it, that's even, you go from a dog like Emmy that's six years old, just consistent and you turn her loose, she goes and treats you coons and then you.

Go to a one year old think you've been working on it just, it makes you wanna pull your hair out. It's about the time I lost all my hair too, I think. So that might make sense on why I did that. But but yeah, we just wanted to pack him around a little bit and take him then major hunts and see how he did.

So we took him to see that was in, in May. And so the next one would've been the world [00:17:00] hunt. We took him the world U pkc, world hunt. We even qualified in the U KC world hunt. I think. Took him to zones, to the ukc zones. I think that would've been first. And got him into the top 100. And and then the pkc World Hunt.

We hunted him three nights. He won two outta three Earlys at the pkc World Hunt, got beat late every late round he was on. But that's pretty much all we put him in that year. We, and then we was in, made him the top 16 of the state race, stuff like that. But did you think at that time that, this is my future long term dog that I'm gonna win with for the next four or five, six years?

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know about win with, but I knew he was gonna be the one I was gonna invest all my time in. Yeah. I knew I'm like, he, especially at this time in his life, man he just, He reminded me so much of Emmy. Yeah. And the poor little guy, his big, his worst enemy as a one and two year old was me.

Yeah. He was, because I went from hunting Emmy to him, so I was working on him too hard, and I had him blowed up about half the time, to be honest with you, but[00:18:00] but yeah, I knew, I'm like, this is the one I'm one best all my time in. Because he's, he does.

About 90% of the stuff that Emmy done both right and wrong. Yeah. At that age, because I raised Emmy too and she done the same thing that he did. It was just like I was hunting her over again. Of course. Now she done, I think probably as a two year old Definitely as a one year old, she was a lot better dog than he was.

But he's still done the things that she did. Yeah I knew, I'm like, yeah, man, this is the one I need to be putting my time into. And he was all I had other than Emmy, it's just one of them deals where I'm like, what do you just work with what you got? I guess we're gonna, one thing about you Lane is you've, for a guy that hunts pretty hard you never had a lot of dogs.

Very rarely did I see you, maybe two. A lot of times just one. Yep. Very rarely. Three. And those were usually dogs that were coming and going, you were hunting for somebody Yep. Or you bought it to flip. Yeah. Or something like that, and so that's a big toll on a dog as hard as you hunt.

Yeah. And not having a [00:19:00] pack. Three or four dogs to hunt. Yeah. Yeah. It can be. And especially when they're young. Yeah. Some dogs can take it, as well as I do. Some of 'em love it. Yeah. Some of 'em, the more you hunt 'em, the harder you hunt 'em. The more you run 'em in the ground, the better they operate.

And some of them just ain't that way. Yeah. And I'll be honest with you, I think Shot has always been a dog that isn't that way. Yeah. I think you could have took shot and hunted him even as a one year old, four nights a week, maybe five, and he'd been perfect. Yeah. You didn't, but.

That's hard hunting for a lot of people. It is, but I was dumb and young and I thought, man, only way I'm gonna make this dog good and is hunting to death. That's, you get people and they say what do I do with this young dog? This young dog's doing that? And it's, oh, he needs 30 days, 30 nights in a row.

He needs 90 nights in a row. He needs a big, long kill season. A lot of times them dogs don't need that. No, and a lot of people, I think, Honestly, it's sometimes they do. They do. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Without a doubt. Yeah. But I think a lot of times the guy's just gotta step back and evaluate what he's hunting.

Yeah. And value wait, how that dog acts to [00:20:00] situations, and there my opinion, there's a difference in going coon hunting and going coon hunting and doing it right. Yeah. Because the thing is, if you just take a dog seven nights a week and just hunt him, and don't watch how he progresses, watch how he reacts to different things, watch how reacts to shooting a bunch of Koons to him, maybe not shooting Koons to him off the recut, shocking him, beating him, whatever. If you don't notice that, then you're not gonna ever gain ground in that. No. And that's my opinion. And that's a big thing. You've just got to, you've gotta be able to, realize what you're working with there and But but, and me, at the time, I didn't, I was just bullheaded and I was like, I'm gonna want this dog seven nights a week, and it's gonna make him a coon dog.

It's left. We've all done that. Yep. We've all, especially when you get excited about a young dog gets outta your old female. You've started the dog. You've raised the dog pretty much. And you get that. I've done the same thing with Con, I've done the same thing with duds.

Chad's done it with numerous dogs, where we've just really pounded him to death. Yep. He used to do it with traitor. Yep. That poor traitor would just [00:21:00] get, he'd be seven years old and Jed would be hunting him seven nights a week, getting ready for the world hunt. And Trader's mad at Jed. And Jed's mad at Trader.

Yep. And they're fighting at every tree. Yep. And And so one thing about it, I think you've done the same thing, is we've seen the trader pups, we've seen the trader Grand pups. You're said you're seeing the same things outta a shot as you were Emmy. So did that help? I think that obviously helped.

Yes. It kinda gives you headstart, I think, it gives you, you, I've seen the same things out of him. But even then, at the same time, you don't know if he's gonna react the same way she did. And he didn't. Yeah. She was one man you could whoop on her. And correct her and give her a good one.

Yeah. And when you got her, got through cutting her loose, she would be treated with a coon somewhere. Yeah. Now, and it didn't affect her one bit right now shot, he wants to be, he's always been a dog. One to be your buddy. Yeah. If you whooped and beat on him a whole lot, you, it wouldn't take butt very much and he'd be blow up, and she was the opposite.

She just, she was just tough as nails and of course she wanted to be your friend too. But at the time, same time, she was [00:22:00] smart enough to know. Yeah. And which he is too. And was, but he just didn't, he didn't have that mentally. He wasn't mentally there. You so they were very similar in the woods.

Yes. The same ability. The same style. Yes. As you would say, yes. But mentally they were different. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Mentally, I had to take, I had to do, like we talked about, Wal guy to take a step back and say, okay, whooping on this dog ain't doing no good. I'm, you're gonna have to just let him go and let him be for a little while.

And that's what we had to do. Yeah. We just had a, because of when he was a two year old, I had him blowed up. Yeah. Bad. And it took a long time to get him back. He would, I had him to wear when a dog come to him, he'd leave. Yeah. I know he did that. We were pleasure hunting.

One night, I think I was hunting Conner dust or something like that. One mine piled under there with him and he took off, and. I knew, which I always liked shot. Yeah, I always did. I'd hunted with him since the time you got him and all that stuff. I'd hunted with shot quite a bit. I always liked the way he operated and way he done things, but, I never dreamed he would be the kind of dog that would put up eight 50 at the Pro Port Truck [00:23:00] series.

And that's when I looked around and, I'm doing the live coverage and I'm getting the play by play and I'm thinking Shot Street again. Coon. Then Tyler's sending me this stuff. Jen is over here with the coon, then shots over here with another coon. And Shota never struck me the kind of dog that was gonna be in a shootout.

Yep. And. Then I start looking at your scores that week and the week following, and you're still winning. And I'm, I think he had come out of that funk before that, and I just hadn't noticed, but really at that pro sport truck series, that's when it looked like, Lane's got this dog figured out.

Yeah that's whenever, that's the first hunt, honestly. We took him to some smaller state championship, pro classic qualifiers that we put on and. He still wasn't quite outta that funk then. Matter of fact, Owen Shelby, he, I gotta give a little shout out to Tim. He's don't give Owen Shelby no credits.

He's a good buddy of mine, but he would come to our state pro classic qualifiers. And he's, him and Tyler Youngs buying these dogs for $1,500. And I'd draw him there. And one of 'em, he'd beat me and his dogs wouldn't tree a coon. [00:24:00] Mine would get treated in there and they'd come to me and mine would leave.

Yeah. And so Owen told me, he's you're going to, and obviously I knew I'm gonna do something cause this ain't working. And this was right at the end of last year, LA at the end of, right before winter. And I said, I've gotta fix that, and so that's when we decided to take away from everything.

And, but but Owen's yeah, he's it wouldn't been for me. I don't know if you'd ever got shot. And I'm like, you're probably right. I just getting tired of getting beat like that. Owen just likes credit free. Oh, he does? Yeah. Yeah. But,

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And I knew I well, and I didn't know, but I had confidence. Yeah. I'm like, I've got him, yeah. And, you and I even talked and he asked me if he was right and I said I thank he is. Yeah. And. And I tell you, the reason you, while ago you touched on it, he's never has been a dog that would get a shootout.

Because normally if you treat one or two coons off the most of the time. Off the first coon. Yeah. He'd be so far in there. He'd just be out of it. If he did make another tree, it was somewhere in a two hour cast, whether you treat one or two Koons in two hours, he would be a mile and a half out.

Yeah. He'd just be looking to get away from stuff too much. He had the same whole scent hat he did. Yeah. Same thing she had. Yeah. Yeah. And You know that was his hole in, in, when I dialed it back and went to pleasure hunting that winter, I shot a ton of Koons of this dog a ton. I went, I started hunting with my father-in-law, Jeff Pedro in Kansas and.

Jeff in the wintertime, he'll kill every Kuna. Yeah. He carries around a pistol that's eight foot long, I think, but he'll kill every Kuna dog trees. Yeah. And so there for two months, I bet two weekends outta every month. Me and [00:28:00] Adrian would go up there and she'd, spend the night with her mom.

And yeah, me and Jeff would hunt all night, all weekend. And we shot a pile of Koons of this dog and the more Koons we shot to him, the better he got about treeing him off three cut. And and today it. He, if you would've told me that he was a dog, that would tree, if you cut him in a patch of woods right here and there's three of 'em to be treed, he could tree three, all of all three of 'em.

I'd be, there's no way. Because as a one year old, there's no way he would do that. He might tree one, but then he'd hit the edge and he'd be a mile and a half through there. But, I think shooting him Koons to him and getting him dialed back got him to where he could. Compete in a shootout if you put him in one.

I know just like right there at the t o c, he'd treated Dan and we'd walked around and scored a bunch of dogs and we'd get 'em all gathered up to recut shot, goes in there about 700 yards, does a bang up job on a coon. Little female, covers him. Stay. I was worried when she covered him because, I be, I knew that, I knew he had some trouble with that, never missed a lick, never bothered him a bit.

And now I've got 14 minutes to tree another coon, and I'm cutting him in a pretty small [00:29:00] patch of woods. I'm thinking, this is never gonna work. This dog's gonna be over this mountain, and I'm gonna be driving around trying to pick him up at the end, 500 yards, another coon. Now, unfortunately, that female covered him again and got in.

We lost on the tiebreaker. He never would've done that as a two year old no. As a two year old, he. He'd have said, see ya. Yeah. Yeah. He been, he done got covered once. Yep. That ain't happened again. Ain't letting that happen again. Yeah. But I think that's what got him back to where he was he was looking as a one and two year old.

He was not necessarily looking a tree coons. He was, but he was more or less at some point in the night looking to get away from everything. Now he's, he. He's not gonna cover nothing. Hey if they want a pile in here on me, on this coon, that's fine. I'm gonna recut and I'm, if there's another one right here yeah.

I'm gonna tree it. And that's his mentality now because, and I think a lot of that just has to do with rolling them coons to it. Yeah. And when, matter of fact, Jeff, when we went shooting, a lot of them coons up too. I thought, man, we're gonna have to quit doing this. He is like, why?

I said, because he's gonna start going back to trees. I know he will. Yeah. Never has, yeah. Never has offered to, and. And Jeff said, ah, he on, he said [00:30:00] he's old enough now. He's yo, he ain't gonna go back. See. Some dogs just thrive Hazel's one where she ate every coon she got when she was a baby.

She'd never treat the same coon twice. Yep. And then we got her and she wouldn't recut, but we got her recutting and then I got to not shooting her coons and she started missing and no. So I just went back to shooting pretty much everything she treed and making sure she still recut. And so far there's absolutely been no trouble.

And that dog went from having coons in. Three, four out of 10 trees to seven or eight outta 10 trees. Some dogs are just built like that. Yeah. But like you said earlier, you don't know until you tried. That's right. That's right. That's right. You ain't gonna hurt nothing to trying it.

Exactly. And that's the deal. But what you got the final four of the truck, huh? Yep. The dog looked good all week. That last cast, it was you could tell he was a little worn out. Yeah. You could tell Babel was a little worn out. Yeah. Strickland's, lucky charm, squalling coons outta every den and all that stuff.

She, that dog looked good. That's, she did. She looked very good. Yep. And so he ends up winning that truck, but you started making run shot there. Yep. And then it ain't what the next [00:31:00] weekend? The next weekend is the pkc truck hunt that you're qualified for. Tell us about that. So we had a so we run for a pup ticket.

We got a pup ticket and then we run for a senior ticket. We didn't get a senior ticket, we just missed it by a little bit. And just, it's funny cuz just like how, and Emmy and I won the truck. We didn't get a truck ticket and they called us the week before and said, Hey, you wanna come hunt for a truck?

It was Brandon call someone that couldn't hunt. Yeah. Brandon's dog. I remember that Stucky coming to heat. Yep. Yep. And so they're like, you wanna come hunting the senior hunt too? I'm like, yeah, sure. And I thought I'm gonna win this senior in your truck hunt. And cuz I'm like, they're just too much, adds up.

And anyways, I neither say I didn't win the senior truck hunt. We went out there and Thursday night he he literally just run off. Yeah, I never heard him never got any truck. What were the conditions like? Oh, windy wet. It was just, it was horrible. You couldn't hear nothing. One boy's dog struck for a hundred.

The six caught him. And My dog was the cast is just, we stand in the middle of a dirt [00:32:00] road for an hour and my dog, according to my garment, he was a mile and a quarter this way. Bus driver was a mile and a quarter to the same way as mine. Snooky was the same way as the dog that had took a hundred tree minus.

Everybody agrees, Hey, we're not doing a good sand this road. Do you guys just wanna walk up this road and get out here in this opening? And I'm like, yeah, sure. When we get out there and the wind kind of calms down, switches directions. The boy that was struck for a hundred, you could hear his dog tree in there.

Yeah. So he strikes some trees and so we start easing in there. We get to him, he's on a den, right before we get to him. You can hear snooky. She's treat or not Snooky jw. Jw, sorry. He jws treat back in there behind him. And so he gets her str and treat and at this point this tree's circled, so I quit, that's the only way. And I need that tree to be slicking. And I knew Jay while I was going coon, I quit. Jay, had a coon and Brandon went early and, but I never heard my dog. Yeah. I drove around and he ended up getting, and we was hunting in a spot that was good the way we sent, but the dogs crossed the road and it was just nothing but pine thickets and just laid over [00:33:00] stuff where they'd logged it and yeah.

And it was just a bunch of slash and stuff. It was horrible. And mine got finally out of that by the time the cast was over. And he was just going across wide open, and I got over and got him caught. He never, as far as I know, he never opened his mouth, yeah. But got him a chance to get him turned loose anyway.

Yeah. Get his leg stretched. Get his leg stretched and so the next night I just, I thought, man, I, hopefully we, the next night was the pup pump because they had to postpone the senior hunt the month before and. So I'm like, man, hopefully, we draw a little better place.

Yeah. To go and we did early and we had a good hunt, early on, on the pup hunt on Friday, we drew Stanley Lucas is our guide. Stanley's got some good hunting down there. And this place is huge. It's like 15,000 acres. Yeah. And there ain't a road in it. It's one of them places you can get three miles from the truck and you're just stuck.

You're gonna have to walk and so anyways, we had a good hunt though. We cut loose there and shot shot struck for a hundred right after the minute. It was me[00:34:00] James Ashley hunting, the Tootsie old female. Dusty, I can't remember his last name, but Hunts that dog called Buck.

Yeah. And then another guy from Pennsylvania hunting young, another young dog. And I struck for a hundred after the minute and he just barked a couple times and then he shut up. And then buck struck and then, oh no, Tootsie struck then Buck struck. And mine just when he shut up, mine just hit this creek and blew out there.

And it was real, really windy that night too. You couldn't hardly hear nothing. And Buck made a tree. Tootsie covered. On that deal. That is a den. Walk off that the other dog hadn't been struck. Put the six on me. We walk and walk. I'm like a mile and I'm just still going. Yeah, he's just on this creek running and six.

We just talking about how he stayed in pockets and stuff now. Exactly. Exactly. No kidding. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I thought. I thought the one time he strikes for a hundred, he's gonna do this to me. Yeah. So anyways he just keeps trucking down this creek, man. Six catches me, minus me, get them recut. The wind calms down a little bit.

You can hear me in there. So [00:35:00] I get retr for hundred again. Yeah. And he's right at nine tens and so he eases on in there a little bit and then other dogs. Hit this road, run right down toward him and we stop. Tootsie gets struck and buck gets struck as well, and I get treed. Tootsie covers me. We go in there, we got a coon.

And then Buck gets treed over here and this other dog still ain't hurting up from him. Yeah. He's a crossroad and just gone. He's out of at this point. Yeah. And so we get recut again and mine goes toward them dogs. I cut him toward 'em to keep 'em in pocket. Yeah. Try to, yeah. And I'll be dying if he didn't wheel around and go behind us, hit another creek and he was just gone again.

Yeah. And I thought, I'm out of it. We go to buck's, got a coon that puts him winning. And Tootsie gets split treed from him and the other boy's dog ended up getting back in pocket and he ended up getting with Tootsie. Buck's got a coon, we get Buckery cut, we go to them two, she's got a den.

This guy, the other guy quits at this point, and We get him recut. At this time, bucks treat again. And the only way I can win [00:36:00] this cast is if somehow I get struck for a hundred. And the only way I'm going to do it is by miracle. Because we've, you know how well how it is when you've got on a three dog cast, two dogs are recut and you're treat, you're a mile in there.

The odds of another dog not barking. After you pull this dog at your fixing score off tree is slim. Yep. So we go into Buck and we get Buck. He's got another coon that puts Buck three and a quarter, 300. And Tootsie ain't struck yet. Pull, walk, buck. He's minute. Cut him loose and it is, the wind calm down, you hear shot tree in there.

I get him struck. Treat a hundred. We get in there to him. He's got a coon, puts him at 300. I had him beat on tiebreaker. Yeah. We get recut there and mine goes around, mine was in the slew. It was probably, I don't know, knee deep water. Yeah. And he gets over and gets treat again and hunt runs out.

Didn't have a trim. He had another coon, and so we won early there. And at this point, other than the pro sport truck hunt, we ain't, hadn't had much luck on Lake. Which thankfully I guess the PKC truck hunt, you just had to win. Yep. [00:37:00] Saturday night was another other round, top 16 was on Saturday.

But anyway, so we Saturday rolls around there. And now I'm trying to think, oh, I drew in the top 16 we drew that be good cowboy dog. That it was a little female Tom Jones, zones three, three Zone or something like that, is what they call her. And then that, that a hundred female that Dalton Cums used on.

Yeah. And of course I'd hunted with her a lot. I knew what she was. And so we go out there and we cut loose and. And hun or Cowboy strikes for Hunter. Hunter trucks were 75 and they're running the heck out of this. Whatever they're running the heck out of it. And anyways, mine opens right-handed and Mine is just beating and banging around in there and hundred comes back to him and he loads up and comes tree.

And he's not treated right. I can tell something. Yeah. I don't know what the deal is, but something's not right. And so I'm just like, I'm not treating and I knew Hundred she would get you covered. Yeah. I mean if nothing's going on, she'll get you some, get some of it. And she covered him and he treated [00:38:00] for a hundred.

The two ended. She shut up. Both of 'em. Did the two. End up catching her. Mine comes back, treat again. I'm still standing there. I'm like, I still don't want no part of it. Yeah. Only way I'm trans if I absolutely have to. And cuz it just, no, it just knew it wasn't right. Something wasn't right with it.

One thing about shot is you can tell when he is not right. Yes. Yep. Absolutely. Yeah. You can tell of them. Dogs you can't tell Calm for instance, you can't tell. He sounds the same on a gut slick as he does. If he's looking at a coon, you yeah. Shot. He gives himself away and so hundred takes a hundred tree minus there.

Comes back tree again. And he trees her for a hundred again at this point. He's got to, I mean he's got, he has nothing to lose. And so I weighed around tree for a quarter. We get in there to 'em and this water is about to waist deep. Yeah. Them dogs are swimming around this big cypress tree.

They didn't have nothing. It is slick. Yeah. I don't, and of course when you get water, like it's tough tree. It is. Things like that. Yep. And so we take a minus that boy quits withdrawals and cowboys still trailing. We, I get cut back to Cowboy and not a whole lot goes [00:39:00] on in the last, or this next 45 minutes, and we can't express how rough the conditions were down there that week.

It was very tough. Yes. Very tough. There was talk of canceling it even again because of the water. Yeah. It was very tough. But, PKC did what they had to do. They done the best they could with it. They did a good job. Yeah. So we stand out in mill this field and cowboy comes tree in there and put the stationary on him.

You tell it ain't right and he has to treat him. He treats him for a hundred, shuts up two catches. He minus see a hundred put six on him. Six catches him minus seen a hundred. And the other female hadn't been struck, hadn't been heard from, I thought she was just completely out of it. And Wee's asking him, where she was at.

And he's she's back here, and. And which she hadn't, I don't think she was the one that said much on the ground. Yeah. Koons were not moving at all. And mine was about nine tens this way. Back toward the truck. And he ended up making a big circle and looping back in there and got about nine tens from this the other way.

And there's probably 12, 15 minutes left in the hunt [00:40:00] and we just all standing around talking, and I was like, man, so let's listen cuz you, I thought I heard him. Yeah. And just barely, you can hear him in there. So I get him struck. And we walk in there and we tighten up and we stop and cowboy come to us and it, he was limping.

I don't know what happened to him. I don't know if he made a hog Yeah. Or what, but he was tore up. You could tell he was tore up and we stop up there and I got treed in and we walked hunt out to him and he had a coon up a seat or a up a Sycamore tree.

Yeah. And so that put us in the final cast, and I was pretty, pretty excited about that. Just being back in the final cast with one out of Emmy, that had won it for me in 2018. I was pretty excited about that. I could have got fourth and been pretty pumped up, I think, yeah. But and then, in the final cast it was we had, it was a weird hunt. It started out it wasn't the best hunt, but it just all worked out. It was me. And Bruce I should know this cuz he is Ari's cousin. I can't make his last name.[00:41:00] I looked at the, I watched the play by play of course, but I can't remember who Bruce knows.

Bruce knows I'm talking about he, Bruce, you know who I'm talking about. You. And so anyways, sums, Bruce sums. Yes. And so it is me and Bruce. Will Huffington Hunting Law man and Scotty Harbor hunting flip. Yep. Back order flip and it was cool because, will, he comes up here to our hunts.

We hunt with him quite a bit and hunting against him. He's good to hunt with. And Bruce, he's fun to hunt with too. And it was just a fun caster, like whenever I was in the finals of Cheyenne and with Amy on it. Yeah, it was just fun, made it fun and. And we, there's something to be said about something that you, that's huge stakes, brand new Nissan truck and you can treat it like a $30 hunter.

Oh yeah, absolutely. Cause it's that laid back in that fun. Yeah, absolutely. And that's the way it was, it wasn't no different than a $30 hunter around there, honestly. Yeah. Because you could have went to. A $30 hunt the following weekend and Will Hevington, lawman LA will have been there and I know Bruce would've been there.

Yeah. And you could have the same cast. Yeah. It's funny. [00:42:00] But before, before we, we, Brett, Danny and them took us out to this spot and it was the same spot. They hunted, the seniors show down and before we cut loose look guys, we don't want to go across the road here, it's bad.

And mine, wheres he end up? Across the road. The road. Yeah. So anyways, we cut loose and flip struck for a hundred. Sis struck for 75. SISs got treed. Flip and lawman was Pastor Lawman got struck for 50 mine's across the road. Ain't barked yet. And we go to SISs. She's got a den and probably had a coon in it.

It was a good legit then tree. Good tree. And on the way to her law man, trees for a hundred flip covers for 75. We get done scoring her and flip's gone. So minus semi 75 we go to law man. He's got a coon that puts him winning. Yeah. And sis I think it sis goes back to this tree, but flip's retreat at the meantime.

So we're going to score flip. So we get him to flip, he's got a coon and we walk, flip his minute, recut him, he'd just goes straight back. So [00:43:00] now we've got stationary working on both of them. Both him and sis. Yeah. And Flip past the tree first, because I think that puts the stationary on him first. And we go to him, same tree, recut him.

He ends up going back again, gets scratched, and then SISs, they have to tree SISs. We go to her she's on that same tree, so delete her. And at this point, mine's treed. But for the last 35 minutes, mine had been in the same spot. Yeah. Beating and banging around just like he did the night before. Yeah.

Or the earth, the round before. Whenever he ended up treeing that slick, I just knew that they was in a bunch of water. Yeah. And he probably was. But, Anyway, so we cut SISs right at her, and she right at him and she's one that nothing's going on. She'll go check 'em out, and she makes about three barks and Bruce strikes and trees are, which I was fine with X.

Yeah. In my mind, the best sis is going be, is a den. There ain't no way we're gonna have a coon, I don't think. And so I treat for a quarter. And go in there. We've got a coon. I thought, you gotta be kidding me. Really [00:44:00] shot. Yeah. A slick here would've been a lot better than that Coon, honestly, because now at this point, I've gotta shut her out on a coon to win's truck.

And that ain't happening, I don't think. Yeah. In my mind she's a good strike dog. She can treat them Koons as good as anything. And like I said, if nothing's going on, she ain't afraid to get a piece of yours. There's nothing better than being in a cast where, a dog has to be alone.

Yeah. And then you're the handler of a dog that you know will cover if there's nothing going on. Oh, I love that position. Oh, absolutely. I think you gotta go treat one for me. Yeah. Absolut, I'm okay with him. Absolut, I'm sure. Yeah. So we get recut and law man's outta the country. He's out of it. Yeah. If we treat another coon, he's beat.

And so anyways, we cut loose there and probably seven or eight minutes goes by. Mine strikes, he's about 600 from us, and Bruce's dog is like 800 from us. And it on the play by play, it makes it seem like mine just ambushed, goon strikes the trees. He strikes. And he runs this coon, he runs it over here and I'm thinking she's gonna open any minute.

And Bruce is like, how far is he? And [00:45:00] I'm like, like 600, 500 something. And I'm like, how far in he is? Mine's in the 800. She ain't moving. He's you think we ought be here? And I said, sure. Yeah. And mine runs this coon over to this river. Loads up and comes tree. And I'm just sitting there and I'm thinking, what are you doing?

You better treat your dog tree. That, so I treat my dog and after about three minutes, SISs works her way back in there and gets struck with me and covers me. Yeah. And we go in there too. And we got a coon that puts me winning. And there's eight minutes left in the castle.

We cut loose and nothing happened. And. It wasn't 30 seconds out, the hunt was over. SISs gets treaty in and has a coon, and she just need a little bit more time. But it's worked out. What are those eight minutes like? Aren't those miserable minutes miserable. I haven't been in that situation as much as you have.

I've only been in it maybe twice, and especially because like me, when I cut mine, I cut him down this road on purpose. Yeah. Get him down. I don't want him to do nothing. I don't want him to trick him until me until she slides in about 200 and then couldn't beat you. Then you're like, oh, no.

Exactly. What was I thinking? Yeah. So I cut him down this road. I wanted to make her trick, couldn't and beat me. Yeah. I [00:46:00] didn't want, I didn't want put myself in that situation to where I had a tree. Yeah. And get in a calling contest because I'm not good at it. Yeah. Nope. I'll beat myself every time I'm like, it is what it is.

Yeah. I'm gonna cut him down this lane. And she, I think he cut her the other way and I cut mine this way, and I'm like, that's fine. I don't. Yeah. But yeah, we, I stood there for eight minutes and when it got down to about two minutes, I bet I walked a hole on the ground. Yeah. I'm not kidding you.

You know what? And everybody's man, you know what? Being there once, I, you probably wasn't nervous, this and that. I'm telling you right now, even today in the final cast, I get so nervous. I want the puke and especially when I'm winning the cast. Yeah. Especially in that situation.

Yes. And there's five minutes left to hunt and you know that you can't do nothing if that dog trees a coon and beat you, you're beat. Yep. And it just makes you sick. But and, that was the last eight minutes of that cast was, it was just, after, the last three minutes, I just finally, I just got sat down on, sat down and I'm like, it is what it is at this point.

If I'm meant to win this truck, I'll win it, and. It still don't make it no [00:47:00] better. No. Still mentally in your head you're like, gosh, come on. You know what? You sure the hunt ain't over, but I just sat there and the hunt run out and I just, dude, I, it was crazy. I it, all the emotions hit me, and, you, it was just, it was I think honestly, probably it felt better to win it this time than it did with Emmy.

Don't get me wrong, I was on top of the world when I won it with Emmy. But just to be able to win it outta something that you've raised and you've trained and you've seen the lowest of lows with this dog. Yeah. And the highs. The highs and it just, it don't feel no better.

There's not a better feeling in the entire world because you put so much time and work into it and away from your family and, hunting every night. And it just makes it worth it, and it's. It's a feeling that I just don't, I don't think anybody can explain it. You just got to be able to live it.

And very fortunate and blessed that I've been able to live it. Yeah. And it's just it's cool. I'm telling you, it was just being able to do it with him out of her. It was just, it was cool to me. Really was Jason Doherty [00:48:00] called it a high, and then it is, and we just can't quit chasing it, and it's so hard to get.

Yep. It's much easier to go down the road and buy an eight ball than Exactly. That's what they say. Thank God I ain't ever, I don't, I couldn't pray. I couldn't tell you that to be sure. Here. I hear, I glad we better clear that up, Josh. But you look at the final four of a big money event, I don't care if it's a 16 dog Pro classic, or a world hunt or something like that, and you know what's at stake.

And it is different than going into the finals of a hundred dollars open event or something like that. Or even the final four where you hunted off late and you're gonna get eight, 900 bucks if you're lucky. Yeah. It's brand new Nissan pickup, $40,000 pickup. Yeah. Everybody could use that.

Yeah, absolutely. And it's, that's the thing with me, God's blessed me beyond measure. This sport of coon hunting is literally, that's why I told Shane Patton and we got back. I'm like, it's crazy. I'm not trying to sound like dramatic or nothing. I'm like, but it's crazy what just you guys putting these hunts on has done for me.

Yeah. And the ability to [00:49:00] go because this is life changing. Yeah. The things that these dogs have done for me and the blessings God has putting in my life, the sport of coon hunting has changed my life forever. We wouldn't be sitting in this house right now. Honestly, this house that you're sitting in right now, it wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Emmy.

And shot and these dogs and how good they've been to me. We wouldn't even be friends. That's right. That's right. Yeah. And that's another where Blaine, Denny and Josh McKaylas ever met. Exactly. If it wasn't for me, never would've. And that's another thing, it's brought me lots of joy and lots of blessings and it's brought me more than that.

Just lots of great friendships that I have forever. I'm hoping, when I die, people that scaring my casket will be a coon hunter, and you look at, of course, Joe Gross just passed away. Yeah. And Michael Moody's on the cover. Yeah. Pro Hound this week. And all good friends of a lot of coon hunters.

Yeah, absolutely. The whole funerals and processions and all that stuff are full of coon hunters. Yep. Yep. And I think that's the way we're gonna go out. Hopefully. Yeah. I may have to hire six people to carry my casket. I know. Finley's gonna have to. Yeah.

That's, it'll just be me and four other guys I had to pay off. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And that's what's crazy. In these [00:50:00] hunts, we're all after each other. Yeah. We all want to win. But at the end of the day, coon hunters, man, I'm telling you, there ain't a, there ain't a, I don't know if you'd call us a breed.

Yeah. But there ain't a breed of people out there like us. No. We've got each other's back at the end of the day and, sure. We're all competitors. We can piggy against each other and night in and night out. But at the end of the day, man it's way much bigger than a sport in itself.

When a coon hunter needs help, the first person they dial up is another KU hundred. That's right. Yep. Absolutely. Without a doubt, because. And that person will be there for him. Yep. That's just how it is. Lane, I sure appreciate it. You've done well with Shot again last night too. I know.

Yeah. We'll get together and we'll talk shot's. Got a big future ahead of him. I think he's got a future in the stud. Him too. I hope you know and far as the stud dog, I don't know. I've always said I'll never have one, yeah. But he's, in my opinion, he comes from. A long line of winners, a long line of reproducers.

I think he's gonna do his part. I've got two, four month old puppies out of him right now. They're doing really well. Yeah. But, I hope his future's bright. I hope I can [00:51:00] get two more years out of him and good lord will, and he'll allow me to hunt him another two years and see what we can get done, yeah. And thanks for sitting down with me. Lane. You got him in again last night. You're gonna be hunting Saturday for what? 40 grand? 40,000? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Shots on a roll. Keep him going. Thanks for sitting down with me and keep me updated on tomorrow. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you, man.

I appreciate it. And we'll do it again, hopefully. Oh yeah, definitely. All right, ladies and gentlemen, that is the truth on the Homan XP Podcast Network with thank you for listening.

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