Yes, Karen, I Tie my Dogs Out

Show Notes

Everybody has nosey neighbors. Everybody has delivery drivers coming in their driveway. Tethering laws are constantly being introduced nationwide from the local level to the federal level. Are you prepared to defend the practice of tethering your dogs at home?

In this episode of the Houndsman XP Podcast Chris and Chad break down the benefits of tying hounds as a preferred housing system. 

Listeners will get:

  • tips and strategies to safely secure hunting dogs
  • The reasons why hunting dogs should be tethered
  • How to combat the Karens
  • Kennel versus Tie Out
  • How to keep dogs happy
  • Dos and Don’ts of tying out dogs  

This episode of the Houndsman XP Podcast will prepare you to have a conversation with people on a higher level about the subject of tethering your hound.

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On this episode of the Hounds Man XP podcast, Chad and I talk about how you can make your tie outs Karen proof. Everybody's got their nose and everybody's [00:03:00] business these days and the way we house our dogs and our hounds is no exception. And for some reason it has become an evil practice to have a dog tethered.

All kinds of tethering laws pop up every year all around the country. Chad and I are going to shell this one right down to the cob. We're gonna talk about tie out setups, how you can up your game, and how you can explain why you have a dog tied out when your nosy neighbor calls the dog warden.

We're gonna talk about setups. We're gonna talk about square footage, dog psychology. Tethered versus kennel exercise rates. We're gonna talk about it all folks in this one, and you are gonna come out of this better prepared to justify why you have your dogs tied out. So Karen, mind your own business. My dog's healthy, happy, safe, and he can just be a dog.

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I was watching this documentary one time on sumo wrestlers and talked about what they ate. And like for every meal, they drink three beers with it, and then they go to sleep right after they right after they, they eat to ensure that they keep their weight up. , you're a long way. That's away from wake up [00:06:00] workout.

Eat as much as you can. Drink a few beers. Go to sleep, wake up, work out, eat as much as you can. Drink a few beers. Go to sleep. That's a, that's all right. Yeah. That's about what you do. Yep. , you're working out, you're working out. Just getting out there and getting after it. Did you line up, did you line up this morning?

I went, but the wind was really bad. I just, I got a thing where I gotta go, even if I don't think there's a chance of me turning out just to see if something's in the area. Cuz sometimes you know how it is. You, sometimes something will cross a road and then they'll stay off the road. But if you check all the roads around that little spot, you can tell if he's still in there, so I go and look, even I'll as much as I can, just in case. Cuz if I, even if I don't turn out, I can go check again and if I didn't see him come out, I'll just free cast her and ride down in there and give it a shot, yeah. So I went and looked, but I didn't see anything. It was horrible. It was really windy and blowing and drifting.

I think it was like [00:07:00] 50, 55 an hour gusts and everything. So it. Bad day. Lost power because I've been without power for a while and got back about six hours ago, so No kidding. Yeah. One of them days. You're sitting in here by the fire. You know that ? I see that . Yeah. This is my fall festival. Fall.

First of all, theme going on here. Guess who's calling me? Who's that? Josh McKayla. Who's calling me? Yeah, go. Oughta put him on speaker. Go for it. Hey, hang on a second. Me and Chad are recording a podcast and you're on the air. Oh, cool. Look, you guys finally got good guest. . Yeah. Know. Got Chad on and then you're following the party.

Yeah. Yeah. We're talking about tethering dogs out. He can't hear you because you're, I've got my headphones on, but [00:08:00] yeah. You can't hear him, I should say. So hey, lemme call you back in a few minutes. All right. There you have it. Ladies and gentlemen, the famous Josh McKays thinks he's gotta have his name on everything, even calling in during our recording session.

Ma a cameo, some intelligence into every conversation. Yeah. Yeah. That's that. Whatever Buddy

That was funny. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't even know where we were, but Josh just derails everything. What were we talking about? We're just chill. Just weather. Weather on the, in the, like of lion hunting I've got going on right now cuz the snow damn tall I can't get anywhere. Yeah, ma'am. We had a blast hog hunting this past weekend.

Is that right? Oh yeah. We didn't catch any big bruises or anything, but I'll tell you what, this [00:09:00] whole thing I listen to guys talk about not being able to control hounds and do different things. We ran a hog down to the home of Chitter River and it crossed the river and it was up.

It was crazy up swollen and it had a lot of current in it. And we got down to the sandbar and the hog was crossing the river when we got there and we're on side, we're on side by side or yeah, we weren't hunting outta boats. They can swim . Oh yeah. So we get down there and we're trying to catch dogs and we got almost everything caught except Mike's big show dog or Showtime dog and Showtime swam that river.

You could see the Hu Gring on the, he could see the hog gring on the other side of the river. That's what was keeping him going. And this current's washing him downstream. Washing him downstream. And he finally gets out and now he's picked up and he is running this hog again. And Mike's I will can't, we can't be over there.

That's another lease. We gotta get him back over here. He just toned him and yelled at him. And Showtime [00:10:00] jumped back in that River a hundred. It ha it was at least a hundred yards wide. And Showtime jumps back in the river and swims right back over to us. Paddled right across back to you. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. He came out downstream but my Diablo dog will do that too. Cajun will do it, but Cajun needs a little bit more of en more encouragement than what Diablo and Showtime do. Yeah. . Yeah. So yeah, for all you naysayers out there that, that think that us Hounds men can't control hounds.

There you go. I've got video of it. I've got video of us doing this. So there you go. Yeah, I got a, one of the buddies when I moved out here, and I came from hog hunting myself and was super pumped about getting into this line stuff We saw, we went all the way down into the canyon and all the way across, and we got to sit there and watch the track a bunch, we saw just the tail end of the line, but got to see the dogs track it across, and then we saw the line con that ponder, so jump off on the cliff, and they went over there and tree at the bottom of that, Ponderosa.

There's no way they could get around, not over there. And they just tried and tried and tried it. I'm sitting there [00:11:00] man, do I wanna like this guy? Should I stay and help collect dogs? , God, can I get outta here? Try, I'm like, wham my options, and and I didn't know what I was getting into, but he just tone, and they all turned around and came out.

Ducks in a row just backtracked right back up to us, and it took him about 30 minutes to get to us, the way they came. But I just, I believe I see a lot more, I see a lot more hounds like that, a lot more. Hounds these days where people are actually using the technology and putting a handle on 'em.

And I think it's a good thing for Hounds men in general that people are taking advantage of that and putting a handle on these dogs. Cuz man, you just never know honey spots are getting smaller, especially in the east. So Yeah, it's cool. It's a good thing. Good thing. That's awesome.

I agree. Yep. Hey, we were gonna talk about something that, that we talked about doing the thing on tethering, tying dogs out. Yeah. And clearing the air on that cuz we, every year it comes up, some township or [00:12:00] county or state has a bill out there to reduce or restrict tethering and of all places Texas passed one, two years ago, I didn't think we'd ever see that, but texas passed one and. In my mind, if it can happen in Texas, it can happen anywhere. So I agree. We were just having a good discussion the other day about why tethering can be a good thing. Oh, it's great. And we're just like, we had to do an episode on this. So here it is to tether or not to tether.

That is the question. Tethering serves a lot of purposes for sure. And I know you tether a lot of dogs out. Oh yeah. If I had the money, I'd tether all of them. I don't have the money in the room, so I have to use, kill runs and sometimes, but if I was a millionaire who had all the room in the world, all my dogs would be tethered.

Tethered. I prefer it. It's a, it's the best way to go about it for me. Why don't you, why don't you explain your system? Because it sounds, when you [00:13:00] say that it's like a chain. A chain in a steak is a heck of a lot cheaper than putting up a kennel. So what do you mean if you've got the money?

The room. That's the main thing. The money for the room. The land, because this, right off the bat, the easiest thing to talk about that makes these tethering such a good option is the square footage. We wanna give our dogs room, give 'em room to run and play around and do whatever.

Everybody always likes to talk about the dogs that are neglected or always in this confined space. But just quick numbers. Quick numbers. Six by 10 kennel run is only 60 square feet. Yeah. My kennel run here. Let's let's hold on to that for a second. I did step away, so I, but describe did you describe, break down your breakdown, your side?

Oh, no, I'm sorry. I got going there. I, no, my setups, I got a bunch. , I unleashed you and now I'm toning you back in Tony, me, tone me back, man. I got off the track. Alright. My setup, I got, okay. For my kennel runs are five by 15, and that's what I keep.

Now, if I double up dogs, I'll do 10 by [00:14:00] 15. If you know these particular dogs like, each other enough to, stay in the doghouse together and everything like that. Some prefer it, so my big ones are 10 by 15. My single runs are five by 15. I don't think that's required by any chance, but that's what I have.

I have the room for that. But the system I have that I like and I wish I could just do a lot of is I have a giant dirt pen. My tree I got on a cable run and it's a 30 foot cable run, and I just do an H brace at the end that I use to, to tuck the doghouse up underneath and make a Leann to off of.

So they got shade, for uhhuh the summer days, and then the. If it gets cold in the evening, they can get into the doghouse. And then in the winter, of course, they spend more time in the doghouse than anything. But that's what I got. I got a cable run that's 30 feet long and on that I have a six foot chain.

How high is off of that cable? How high? How high is your cable? Off the ground? About four feet. Okay. About four feet. And that gives them a lot of room. That's 12 by 30, and they love it. That's it. The reason they [00:15:00] like it. Cuz I have some dogs that if I put in the kennel run, they'll just sulk.

They'll go in the corner and just look at their belly, hang their head. Yeah. And not all dogs hate it, but I got, I don't have any dogs that hate the chain and I have quite a few chain dogs that hate the kennel, and I think the reason for that, Is dogs like to dig, yeah. And like kennel runs y in my experience, you either want them on cement or you wanna put some wire down and then gravel over top of it or whatever. But digging out is always a concern or digging out underneath or off the top. But on the caper run, they can dig, they could roll in the dirt. They, like they can crawl up on top of their doghouse cuz you're not worried about 'em climbing back out.

They , they have a 360 degree unobstructed view of the world, I don't think killing a dog is bad, but they are on the inside of a cage looking out, whereas a tethered dog can look at the horizon, they love that. They love it, yeah. Just being able to look around and then dig it.

There's no barriers. There's no barriers between them and the world. Exactly. Exactly. And then tons of room. That's the cool, that's one of the best [00:16:00] parts to me about tethering is just, How much room you can give them, and a lot of your older veteran dogs will hang out in one area, go to the doghouse, get the water, at least once a day they like to run around.

They get spunky, they'll bark at each other, they'll, they'll get a little wild. And they like to have that. I think it helps the dog. I think it's good for a dog to have that, and like I said, my, my five by 15 kennel runs it's just, it's not the same. And then that's not to mention what I had back in Louisiana was carousels.

And I'm a big fan of those setups. Have you, are you familiar with those? Yeah. Go ahead and explain it though. Okay. The carousel where you take like a, oh, I was working oil field way back then, so I had access to a bunch of the two-inch pipe and I just hammered that into the, Enough to secure the dog and then take some, half inch or thicker rebar and heat it up and bend it over, and then have the point of the rebar that was going down into the ground.

I'd have that long enough that it would basically touch the soil, and then it would come up and it would bend over out [00:17:00] a 90 and then go out like six feet or seven feet. And at the end I would heat it again and make a little eyelet, and then I'd run a chain through that. And then you have to make the chain short enough that it can't go back to that main pipe that's stuck right up outta the ground and then wrap around the chain and then hop over it.

Cuz then they could, they could tie themselves up and choke themselves. So you just make it short enough to where it can't, they can't do that. So if you have a seven foot rebar hanging out there and six foot. And six foot of chain. And that's a lot of room right there.

No kidding. Yeah. And you could tuck the, I always did those high enough to where I could tuck the dog house up underneath it. So the bonus of the carousel is . For those dogs that really like pacing, man, they could just get on the end of that chain and they just go, some of the s they take trenches.

They do, it looks like Talladega, they're up at a 45 degree angle. If you let 'em go and I ought to hold water, you gotta put, you gotta put drainage, ditches in there. , they'll fan the soil up so much. But I, [00:18:00] to get to give you an idea, the kind of space you're talking about on the setup you just described, seven feet with six foot of chain is roughly 530 square feet.

Yeah. 530 square feet. The dog pound where people donate their money for the humane treatment of animals. The typical kennel is what? Five by 10. if that, yeah. So you're looking at 50 square feet. , and yet, yet, putting this dog out here on a carousel or tying it out is somehow inhumane. Yep. Some, somehow.

What do you think? You think that, is it just anthropomorphism, how would you like to be, how would you like to be on a chain? The stigma of being chained up captive. What is that? That's all that is to me, man. It's a stigma, but being in a cage isn't any better. Exactly. That's the thing.

Like they even talk about prisoners, some of the old prisons they were taking the bars away and putting up [00:19:00] glass because the bars had a negative effect on their mental health , yeah. No. So I just think it's a stigma. Oh, he is chained out and there's some ridiculous notion that it is just, if a dog's on a chain, it is gonna be.

less taken care of than a dog that's in a kennel run. And even the, i, I get into it with some of the pet owners. Now we all know pet owners and some of 'em are great people and others, are a little misguided, but dirt bags, some of them just say it, some of 'em are dirt bags and she they are own animals.

Yeah, they are. And a lot, some of them will preach that a dog should be kept inside. I'm like, oh, okay. So like a prison cell, like stuck inside a room, sitting on the couch, staring at the wall, just waiting for you to come home. That's selfish to me. Like even my dogs that I keep in the house, I let 'em out, so they could go plant the dirt and be a dog.

Dig holes. Pee on each other, , whatever they wanna do, be a dog, and no. We can keep ours in a carpeted prison, all day. Cuz that's what's best. No, it ain't it cannot possibly be better. Even our prisoners have mandatory [00:20:00] recreation time where they go outside.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, man. My Roxy the boxer and Axl, the pit bull man. They like being inside. They like the couch. . And when mama comes home, they get to come in. So they're all excited to see her, but they spend the days outside. Yeah. And you'll see 'em out here doing laps in the yard and different stuff.

It's just a, it's a fallacy. It's a, what do you wanna call that? A false narrative that has been built around the evil doers of people who had tie a dog out. And I wanted to have this conversation so that. Because this is what is inevitably happening around the country. And I'll give you an example of how this could affect me.

Someday when you pull in my driveway, you have to turn around in the barn lot to get out. I've got my kennel set up there, but I've also got a couple tie outs where I keep dogs tied out. And I'm always worried about people that [00:21:00] come back there, either delivery drivers or the mail driver or the people checking the utilities, that they don't understand what's going on and it's cold outside and, oh, here's this poor dog.

And so I wanna be able to be prepared to tell people exactly the benefits of having these dogs tied out. , get some talking points down so when the animal control officer shows up, which most of the time. Has very limited law enforcement authority just for our listeners out there.

That's why they always bring the sheriff or the local police with them. But yeah, I want people to have some talking points so that they can talk intelligently about this and defend their best interests, yeah. So the square footage thing is huge. We talked about the carousel 530 some square feet for a dog.

Yeah. There's some other bonuses to that too. Yeah, let's run through it. One of the things about the chain being on the ground is it can drag around and it'll scoop up some [00:22:00] of the waste and it kills the grass is the main thing. So it's a little bit of a nice order, but so what, we're after the safety and the wellbeing of the dogs and they're healthy and happy there.

But the bonus of the carousel over just a ground spot, ground chain is, it keeps the chain up off the ground cuz the dog almost always goes out to the end. and then they run their path there and then they get a nice little smooth track raced out. And then that's just the best, their favorite place to run.

But the point is that the chain comes, stays off the ground. And back in Louisiana, I don't have this here, but back in Louisiana we had a lot of dunk Beatles, a lot of bugs that ate poop, uhhuh for all the cattle and everything like that. And the grass around the center of that racetrack supported the life of the dung Beatles.

They'd live there. So the dogs would come in and poop and pee on the chain there. And the dung Beatles would heep it up. And I clean my kennels every single day, every day, sometimes twice a day. If I get a free minute, it just makes life easier on me. I hate going out there and trying to make 'em spotless.

And if you work at it and keep 'em clean, you can teach 'em to poop in the back. I got, most of my dogs will poop in two square feet in the back left hand corner of the [00:23:00] kennel runs. And I got a bunch of tricks for, how to train that. But if you keep 'em clean, they poop in the same spot.

And that's cool. But if you have the carousels, the dung beetles lead all the poop up. So even though I'd go out there to clean it up I was barely cleaning anything up cuz they would eat it as fast as they'd drop it, . So that's some other bonus. It's very sanitary, yeah.

It's very sanitary, so we've got psychological health of the dog. You, we bel we believe that. I'd like to see if there's, it'd be cool if we could have some studies to go along with that, but we've all got common sense here. We know the difference. We know when our dogs are happy, I can bring I had Cajun tied out and when he's tied out there, man, if I came out the door when I walk out there the house dogs are coming with me.

The other house dogs run out there. Tuft's always out there rolling around in the dirt with him and playing with him and stuff. I got some video of that where they're just happy. The interaction. Every time I walk in and outta that barn, he's right there and I can put my hands on him and make him feel.[00:24:00]

I, I can just make him happy. I think I make him happier doing that, more interaction with me. If he's over in my kennel set, then it's real easy for me to walk past there, because then I have to open the door and I gotta talk to him and, yeah. Any of the dogs. But they sulk. So I took him and put him in the, I would see him every day when he was tied out.

And then I switched some dogs around and I put him in the kennel. And like you said, he sulked. He was like I wanna be out on the chain, , and it's he was always happy to see when you got to the kennel door. But I real, I, I think there's something to it. And it's not being anthropomorphic to think that dogs can be happier in certain situations and feel better and just be dogs.

They love being dogs. They like rolling around in the dirt and digging e Exactly. Throw a, an old dead fish out there, the first thing they're gonna do is flop on their back and roll in it. Man. Dogs like to be dogs. They like to roll in the dirt. They like to dig in it, yeah. And you can't do that on cement.

Yeah. It's hard to do in gravel, yep. And they got more space, better psycho psychological health, [00:25:00] more space on a tie out than in most kennels, unless you've got a big exercise yard. I know a lot of people have one big pen that they keep all their hounds in. That's great too. Cuz they're still getting in the dirt and they're still doing all the things that dogs love to do.

What else did we say? Oh, sanitation. Sanitation. With the more room. With more room. They aren't stepping in their waist, they designate a waste area, and they aren't stomping in their waist. And then what I hate, oh gosh. When I get client dogs in or something like that, and they're either not familiar with it or came from a different type of setup, but they'll stomp in their poop.

And then when you come up to walk by, they stand up and slap their paws on the Oh yeah. On the kennel. And we will flick little turd pieces at, oh, I've had Josh, that's I've had turds in the eyes so many times. . Oh. Or when it hits you in the corner of their mouth, you're like, I know what that was. And you're just, don't get caught yawning.

Don't get caught yawning at the dog kittles, man. Keep your mouth shut. You can't be a mouth breather around, around the kennel, that's for sure. . Nope. So sanitation is a big one. I [00:26:00] feel dogs with more room. It's not that the chain, the tether is cleaner. No, it's that you, it's easier to give the dog more room.

And therefore they aren't in their waist as much with more room. Cause if they have the option, they will step around it, yep. And I'll tell you, I'll tell you another advantage to it is for hunting applications. The dogs that I have tied out, so the setup that I use is not a carousel, but it's a piece of angle iron with a hole drilled and a quick link in the end of it, and then a piece of chain coming off of it.

I pound that thing all the way down on the ground. , they're about I'd say they're probably at least 12 inches long. Okay. And I pound those all the way down on the ground. Then that chain has nothing to get tangled up on. There is nothing there. And I'll put a swivel, one swivel in it, two lengths of chain, and then attach it to the collar.

The other end is in the ground. . And then around all those chains where I'm tying out, Then I'll have gravel and it's creek rock, , we've got abundances of [00:27:00] creek rock in these ditches and creeks here. And I can just farm it right outta there, harvest it right outta the creeks.

Tough feet. They've got tougher feet than my dogs that are standing in their kennels because they exercise more. They get out there, they're out there, they're tied out where, with a foot or two between each dog where they can't reach each other. So they're constantly out there interacting with the other dogs and romping and running around.

So better feet. And yeah. On that note, can I hop in? I wanna say, I wanna talk on that for a second. Yeah. Because I got a firm belief on that. And you said you're on gravel. Yeah. And I think personally, if you're, if strictly feet, I think gravel's the best way to go. , because if you put 'em on cement, they get really hard feet.

Like too hard. Yeah. And then they get off the cement and they get into the soft soil. And those hard really stiff callouses they have there, then they crack. When they're running on soft soil sand or the leaves or like moist soil and everything, those hard callouses that they build up to walk around on the cement, then those crack they aren't as tough, they aren't as pliable.[00:28:00]

Have you ever seen, have you ever seen a concrete worker's hands? They're the same way. Yeah. That lime, the lime in the, and stuff in the calcium and the concrete, it's leeching out of there. It's not once it's finished it's under there. You're gonna, you're gonna get some of that transfer and that's why, and here's a plug for one of our sponsors.

PAWS are protected, seriously. , I keep that on the dog's, feet on gravel, and I have no foot issues from those dogs. Yeah. That's teaming up two of the best things right there though. That's, that. That's a good maintenance product, and then gravel to top it off too. That's about as good as it gets. Yep. My other thing is if they're on too soft to ground, then if they get into the hard rock, then they're too supple. So that to me, that's where gravel comes in because it's hard and it keeps, it keeps 'em from getting tender feet, but then at the same time, it's still flexible, so those callouses are bending, yeah. And it's not a frying pan on the bottom of their paw, the other benefit to having gravel is I can go out there every evening when I [00:29:00] feed, and it takes me literally less than two minutes per dog to clean up, I can clean it up, put it in a bucket, take it over, and get rid of it.

And so I keep the, you can keep the area clean. Believe, and Becky Dwyer have a huge dog yard up there. I've seen pictures of it. I've never seen it personally. But they use the A-Frame dog houses. She uses cables instead of chains just to reduce some of the stress on the neck vertebrae and stuff.

But that place is clean as a pen. They clean it up every day. , and it's totally sanitary. They, you can go in there since everything's on gravel and you can sanitize, you can spray bleach, you can do whatever you want. And take complete care with dogs that are tied out. Lot better health than most dogs that live in people's homes.

Yeah. Yeah. Mental wellbeing, sanitation, all the above, . Yeah. And there's more, we're still plugging through 'em. There's more reasons, yeah. Go. That's just some of 'em, what else you got? Let's see. [00:30:00] The what were they, while you're thinking, I'll put one out there.

Okay. When we turn these dogs loose, this is what a lot of people don't understand, and this is one of the main reasons every young dog pup that I have. , it gets tied out for a portion of its life at least. Okay? And the reason is because for one thing, a dog that's, that understands being tied out, he's gonna get tied up at every tree he goes to, more than likely Uhhuh

So he is gonna be tied out. So he is not gonna be fighting that, that's not gonna be a new experience for him. But he is also gonna be out there running through the world, and there's gonna be hazards out there. There's gonna be things that are going, can get snagged in his collar, in a, in a brush pile.

Maybe an old beat down fence. Maybe it's a and I'm not ripping on trappers here because I'm a trapper and all that stuff too, but maybe it's a snare, a coyote snare. I've taken dogs out of coyote snares that were just standing there looking at me when I got there because they, they learned [00:31:00] that there's no reason to fight this.

I might as well just stand here and wait for. Chris to get here and take care of me cuz he'll be here. , so tho it's a safety thing as well, hunting dogs aren't people should tie their house dogs out because house dogs absolutely don't know what to do when they come across a snare.

Yeah. And the last thing they want to do is go find their dog, dead in a snare because they couldn't find it. And it sat there and fought it until it choked itself out. Yep. So that's my big one. Briar Creek Kennels is your complete hound hunting, outfitter, boots, lights, collars, and tracking equipment, dog boxes, kennel supplies, collars, clothes, squalls, who they have it all.

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And on that, to add to your points there, there's two things. I use a chain for two types of training as well. If I get a dog that needs leash breaking, it's not, it came to me for leash breaking. But it came for me a bunch of other stuff, and I can't facilitate the training that I'm supposed to do because the dog has never walked on a leash.

Yeah. I have 'em out there on the thing that's, you're halfway there. As soon as they get confident on that back tie or the tether you're halfway there. They already are comfortable with the pull on their neck and the chain dragging beside 'em. So it's a great way to segue [00:33:00] into leash braking if you just didn't get quiet on it fast enough when it was a pup or this this dog you got from somewhere else.

And it just happens to be a little timid. That's a good way of doing it. And then to segue onto the second point, if I get timid dogs, it happens. Yeah. Some of these guys got a little coyotes running around in them, or whatever. They're a little, they're a little timid.

That's, and I love a tether for that. That's one of the best ways, because you can. Their perimeter. They got a radius, and you could see where they can get to. And if you just pass by it while talking to that boy, the dog. Get your high pitch voice on, Hey buddy, yeah. And he'll come out and come up to meet you and then don't, you don't even gotta, just reach your fingers out and let 'em get a little smell. And you go on about your day and just every time you go by, you just reach your fingers out and you keep doing that eventually. That, that, whereas if it was a dog in a kennel run, you gotta go out there and open the gate, walk in there.

You're staring right at 'em. You're coming right at 'em. And this is, again, this is a timid dog. We're trying to correct something here, they start backing up, they just cower down for some reason. . But if they're on the tether and [00:34:00] then you just strife their radius, whereas like the, as you come closest, you just let 'em just barely sniff your hand or touch you or something like that, and you just keep walking by it.

You do that for a week and they're slamming into the end of that tether coming up at you playing, and you could ease in and roughhouse with them and then run around the tether. You could bring a timid dog. Out of that coyote, whatever, , not that they really have coyotes in him.

Everybody knows that. That's just a term I like to talk, but it brings him out of that really well. A tether is one of the best ways, get him away from his litter mates and stuff like that. Get 'em on the tether and let all of his attention be from you. And you can hand feed him treats that way.

If you got scared, dog, get him away from his buddies on the tether and then just take it slow and play with him, and then you're halfway to leash breaking on the as a side note. So that's two other good parts about the tethering that I like a lot. Yeah. That you don't get with kennels, and then the safety aspect. My dogs climb, my kennel runs. I got a top on all those, I have [00:35:00] probably two hounds that don't climb. I could probably put 'em in a kennel run without a top on it, but most of the others, they climb out. They'll dig out the bottom, they'll climb out the top.

Heck, I even had one named Pete , that would slam up on the back of the kennel run. And then, you know how cuz I told you there were like five by tens or 10 by 15, five by 15 or 10 by 15. You get that. It's like a book binding on the very end of that 10 foot with the two five foot panels meet.

And he would slam into that over and over again and push the kennel off the edge of the cement and then crawl out through the gap. Like the, these dogs can be smart, so there's always a risk of them getting out. And if we've done our part, they're cattle broke they're broke the livestock and goats and stuff like that.

And they shouldn't get into trouble. But you can, you can't overcount on your neighbors. What if, you go to the, the dog goes into the neighbor's yard and two of their dogs are fighting, and then the dog's generally gonna jump in. And that's not what they see. All they see is that strange dog came over there and fluffy's in trouble.

You got it. Or anything happens to the livestock [00:36:00] at all and your dog happens to be zipping by, they're in trouble. And I will debate this until I am blue in the face with anybody on the face of the planet, but a chain spot, a tether, a legitimate cha tether system is more secure than any kennel set up there.

It is. It. Period. What about snaps failing or something like that? You don't worry about that. I don't use snaps personally. That's the way I do it. I have the name collar on, and that goes up, that always is the highest, as in closest to the ears. , so you have that collar all the way up tight and Then below that you have, I get these collars from, you can get 'em from a bunch of different places. I get 'em from one that's like a bulldog weight pool supplier, and they're two inch nylon collars and on the inside of it is fleece. And it doesn't cost me another penny. It's the exact same price as the ones that don't have it.

And they just stitching the fleece lining, talk about no wear and tear on the dog's neck or anything like that. It's soft. It's MyPillow wrapped around their neck, but the way I do that is I put that underneath so that collar's closest to their shoulders.[00:37:00]

And whenever I take the dog off of that tether, I unbuckle it. There, there is no clip. There's no clip at all. So you're just going, you're going from chain, quick link to collar, and you're quick linking the d click quick, using a quick link to attach the collar to the chain. That's right, with lock tight, so I never have to worry about it again.

It'll go collar, dog collar, quick connect, swivel. Quick connect chain, the length of the chain, and then depending on the application, I may or may not put another swivel before the ground or the carousel or whatever. But you don't always need that. But some applications you do, especially if it's a dirt tie, like the chain goes right into the ground.

I'll put a swivel there sometimes, but I don't, it's not always necessary. You're just another thing. But that's that way that there's no way that dog can get undone. You buckle, you bring the dog in from hunting and you put the collar on him and buddy, if an F four tornado comes through and destroys your house [00:38:00] and takes your truck and throws it in the neighbor's yard and picks up your kennels and takes 'em to the next county, that dog may pass away from the damage hed take a wild ride.

Yeah. That dog may pass like everything else is gonna pass. My house is destroyed. I could die. But my point is that dog's gonna be right there. Yeah, he's not getting off the chain. There is nothing to break on that. And as long as you do the maintenance, every, every spring I walk through and look at everything.

I look at my pulleys on my cable runs, I look at my Quick Connects, I look at all that, and they do wear and tear and it's too easy. Take a set of bolt cutters, cut 'em off, put a new one on. Little dava of lock tight little red juice on there and tighten it down. And , forget about it. You, that is done for the next year.

Think about if, we've all done it, Chad, we've all just gone out there and threw a chain around something and tethered a dog without any thought. But think about if people would take the time to put in as much [00:39:00] thought as you have . And to be able to explain it the way you just did.

This is why my dog is tethered out. When the sheriff comes with the animal control officer and the. Ry wearing animal rights activist . Yeah. And they show up and talk about how thoughtless it is to tie your dog out. And you can walk 'em through and you can say, look how this dog is tethered.

, just think about how I set this up. I set this up for this purpose. These are b the, this is my setup. Look at the swivels. The swivels are there. So he can't kink that chain. He's not gonna be stranded out here. Look at my carousel. It's always, look at all this stuff. And then you start talking about the benefits.

Most of the police officers that I know and worked with for a number of years are gonna look at that, and they're gonna say, I need to go home and set my dogs up like this. This guy's put a lot of thought into it. We're leaving and you're gonna go find something else to do today. Yep.

[00:40:00] I'm, yeah I'm spot on. It's. It's safer, more secure. And the bulldog guys know this. This is, that's the best way to secure one of them. Rascal. You don't want him getting off, and then even my terriers, I've tried putting that green vinyl dipped what is it, two by three wire across the top.

Uhhuh , I figured, okay, these aren't my big, my big 70 80 pound tree hounds. I just got my terriers in here and I'll put the, this green wire over the top and not have to buy a cattle panel or something like that. I'll do it. , my, my terrier. Missy would run up the wall, grab ahold of that green wire and hang from it like a dancing pinata.

You got some crazy dogs. He snatched it down. There we train here. There's a lot of stuff to get excited about, , so they hear another dog getting, learning how to tree or learning how to do this, or loading up and loading dogs and take, they all get excited. It happens, but, It's happened.

Missy will hang from that green wire until she tears it down and then walk up it to get out, and that was a kennel with a cement bottom and a wired top. Yeah. The dead dog still got out of, but she, on that cable run, there's , [00:41:00] it ain't happening, Jack, she ain't getting off that. I can go on for days, man. It's just better in every way. I fail to come up with a way that it's bad. If you were to do something incorrectly, just like the kennel runs, if you were to use like a thick logging chain and let it hang on their neck and they're having to drag it around and they're hanging their neck, okay.

But you don't need that. Even some of our bigger dogs don't slam on the end with hundreds of pounds of pressure. You don't need that thick of a chain. You just don't, you can, I've seen dogs where the, I've walked out there before and the dog's actually got a broken snap, but it's still hooked on the d-ring of the collar.

Yeah. The gate won't close. Or I forgot. Somehow that gate worked open, got some mud in it, or dirt in it. And the dog's just standing there. It's like you could have taken off, , you could have gotten away Uhhuh . But they're so used to it. They're not slamming the end of that chain.

And doing I've seen a lot of dogs like that. They didn't even realize that they were free, that they couldn't have gotten away. But it's how heavy a cha how heavy a chain. What do you think? [00:42:00] I haven't, that'd be interesting. I had to go, I should have done it before we started this, but I use a, I don't use the that wa woven, wait, that twisted, that thin chain that's it's got two links and then the middle of it's twist.

Yeah, I know what you're talking about almost. Yeah. It's like almost like a bow tie. , they're twisted in the center and they got a loop onto the left and to the right. And it's of those things, you can grab it with your hand and somebody snatched it outta your hands. It would cut you outta pieces, oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't use that kind of chain. I use kinks up. I use just standard link chain and it's not heavy, but a little bit of weight is good too. Because when they do drag it, then it builds muscle. Yeah. It does keep 'em in shape if drag a chain around behind you in the yard for a little bit and see if, it doesn't wear you out.

Yeah. It just, it's going to but I think there are some drawbacks and I think some of the things that have contributed to this narrative that it's bad is when [00:43:00] people don't take the time to really think through what they're doing and Getting back. I'll tell you one before I get too far down that path, we're talking about dogs that didn't know that they couldn't get away.

Yeah. So I was bear hunting in Virginia this year, and we were tied out in different places, and I tied out on somebody else's tie out. It had rained and the stake had actually worked itself outta the ground and the stake was laying there on top of the ground. Uhhuh, and Cajun didn't even realize that he, that he wasn't tied up.

Yep. He was right there. It was like a coyote drag or something on a trap. But anyway, I think one of the things that has contributed to this is guys that, that don't put the thought into it and it's haphazard and it's half-assed really is what it is. , I'll take this four foot chain and wrap it around this tree and I'm hunting every night.

So that dog's fine. He doesn't, he's not gonna do a lot Anyway, I think we've gotta be a little bit conscientious [00:44:00] on. , how we get, how we set this up. They're not tied out there to a, a refrigerator box for a doghouse. Yeah. With the kids blankets from the house that they don't want anymore, and they're half muddy and wet.

, that's where it all goes south. I agree. And it's not just, it's not just homan, it's the mo. Most places you see that kind of activity is in the urban setting in these backyards and stuff, where the news camera can get to it easy and see it and hear these dogs titled, three foot chains in the mud and the house, and it's just deplorable conditions and he doesn't have anywhere to take the waste, . So if it's not out under the dogs, it's over in the corner and the smell's bad. Yeah. It's tough to, it's tough to do it right when you're living on top of each other like that, yeah. And, but like you say, you just stand up on a box in the neighbor's yard and you can get a film of it, you get a picture of it. That's, and that's where, that's exactly right. [00:45:00] The nosy Karen next door flips her phone out, takes a video of your backyard, and the next thing you know, you got the A S P C A and the animal control officer in your driveway. Yep. So you gotta take a little bit of time, build the narrative, but also make the extra effort.

I'm not saying kennels are bad or I use kennels. I do use kennels. I've got a really not, I've got a really good kennel that I built myself. It's got a wooden bottom in it. The dogs are off the ground, it's dry. I can keep it sanitary. It's absolutely crucial for me to have when female, when there's dogs in heat the, when I have puppies.

Things like that where I can contain dogs. So we're not saying abandon your kennels at all here. We're just saying don't be afraid to tie dogs out and think that you're being cruel to that dog. Cuz I, I think it's just the opposite. I, we've said it, I think they're more restricted and feel less, [00:46:00] less psychologically free when they're looking at you through the wire.

Agreed. Agreed. I would say the hard part about chains, especially where I am is keeping water warm. I gotta have water bowl heaters and this and that, uhhuh and because there's more room on the count kennel runs, on the cable runs and it's chain spots and the carousels because there's more room man.

It's a network of extension cords and this and that, and you gotta keep 'em out of the way. And it's just harder to manage. Me, you wanna know a trick for that? Yeah. What's up? It was an old timer that. Show me this. He had taken post hole diggers and he dug like a standard post hole down to the frost line.

. And he took a piece of PVC pipe and put it down on the hole and then backfilled around it. And then he took a he took a he had it measured out for an eight inch stainless steel bowl would fit in that pipe and rest on top of it. The heat from the ground coming up from the [00:47:00] bottom would keep that water open for a lot longer than even a heated water bucket.

It won't freeze if you put that down on ground level and let the heat from the ground come up underneath that bowl. Oh, it won't freeze. It might not work in your temperatures, but back here in the mid, I dunno about me. I think, yeah, I think the bulk of the United States, that'd be the ticket right there.

I think that's a great deal. , you're looking at extreme temperatures, so I don't. Plus, I wouldn't want to try to dig a hole like that out in your country anyway. No, . Oh, I'll get a skid steer with the downward pressure. You got it. It takes me 40 minutes with a gallon, with a five gallon bucket of water to help it out.

It's hard to dig here, but Yeah. But I think you got, I think you got a great deal there, about putting it down in the ground. I like that. That is nice. I could have used that back in Louisiana, that's for sure. Oh, no doubt. No doubt about Louisiana, for sure. . No, I think we've, I think we've shined that tree enough.

I think you're right. I think we've looked at every limb of it. If you're gonna do it right. Take some extra care to clean up the waste. [00:48:00] Keep a nice sanitary thing anyway. Use some gravel around there. Keep 'em out of the mud. Dog standing in the mud all the time, is it's hard on their feet.

It's not. They'll make them make 'em slip pads and different stuff. Even soldiers And big thing back in the day was trench foot. Back in World War I and dogs can get it too. So if you think you're gonna let a dog stand in mud all day and then go out and run him hard, you're gonna come home with a dog with no pads.

So keep 'em outta the mud. And there's a waste, a lot of good options that, that the, that moisture. I don't like the moisture either up here cuz it is so cold and we go through so much straw, keeping 'em warm. A lot of times they can, they generate enough heat to take care of themselves. You just need a small enough doghouse that they can retain their heat and then all the straw helps, insulate of course and hold onto that heat.

But one of the, one of the main things it does for me out here is absorb some moisture. If they if that all that straw gets wet, it's hard for a dog to keep themselves warm. [00:49:00] Yeah. So that's one of the things I hate the mud the most is cuz they keep tracking that mud and moisture back in and Then they're fighting a losing battle in the doghouse cuz all that straw's wet, what kind of dog houses are you using? Chad, do you use the A-Frame barrel houses? I use a number of different houses. It all depends on the application. I got a bunch of 'em and I swap 'em out all the time. But I use I use a-frame doghouse setups made with a a 50 count, 55 gallon barrel.

A plastic barrel with as small as hole as I can get it depending on the dog I got. I look like I collect these things because I got different sizes and I refuse to cut 'em cuz I'll cut 'em bigger and then I need that size again for that dog. I like the hole to be just small enough for them to squeeze their butt in there and they can hold onto the heat.

And then in the summer I have big hole barrels, to let the heat out. But the dog houses are a-frames built outta, four by fours and deck. . Huh With the 40 with the 55 gallon plastic drums in there. And then for my larger dogs or my dogs that I can kennel up together, I got the, I think they're 200 gallon totes that [00:50:00] every they're called totes, at least where I'm from, the white, they got the white crate around the big plastic.

Yeah. It's a big old plastic square that they put whatever kind of, cranberry Jesus, what some of these were holding, and you can clean it out, sanitize it, make sure it's good to go, and then cut a nice hole in it and you can fold the plastic out and around and then use screws to bolt it to that cage, , and they can chew on the inside, but the cool part is on the inside they can't hang a tooth on anything, so there's no way for 'em to chew. And then you can bolt the dog door to that. . And as the dogs are training, you can wire that dog door up about halfway. and then they get used to feeling it on their back.

And then you just lower that wire down every few days and they get used to moving it out of the way. And before they know it, they're picking it up with the nose and hopping right in it. And I've had some dogs that just weren't good at dealing with the cold and it's real easy to slap a heater on one of those, the little the little air heater. They ain't throwing a lot of heat, but dogs, the dogs don't need it. They generate a lot of their own heat. Especially if you get a couple dogs in there. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, the ones I put a couple on, I open [00:51:00] up that dog door. , they'll get too hot. It's hilarious. I had a buddy bet me money and we sat out there until it happened and you, I have three dogs and one of those barrels and I dropped the doggy door on it and we were sitting there having a good time, cutting dog toenails and I just cleaning everything up and I was like, you watch, they're gonna come out and lay over in that snow pile over there cuz they're too hot in there with that door closing and they're, oh, you don't know what you're talking about.

Okay, come on. We sat there and watched and sure enough, these are sighthounds. Then third Sighthounds that would come out. , because I have this exercise area that I bring them out to during the day, and they'll come out and walk over to the snow and they'll lay down in it, like they're cooling themselves off.

And then eventually they get too cold and they're like, okay, back into the doghouse. And they'll go back in it, and then about 10 minutes later, the other dog will come out and go lay down in the snow . Like people think they need a lot of heat and they'll put like light bulbs in there and stuff like that, and you'll cook 'em.

They don't need that much. They generate plenty of heat on their own. Yeah. But between those two, and then I have, my facility as well where they, they come in into a building and they'll come through a dog door. And then I got a little [00:52:00] set up in there where they'll come in and that's a little more, more open, but it's climate controlled.

They're in a communal area where they all heat each other. I got a little propane heater in. They're vented of course. And so I got a bunch of different options. But honestly, like I said, if I had all the money in the world, I buy a whole bunch of land and I'd probably do cable runs or carousels as far as, yeah, I can see.

And I look like one of those chicken farmers. , and as long as they get hunted hard and ran good, I mean that, that'd be great. I'd have 'em off the cement, out of the kennel runs personally and on them cable runs. And then I'd again, then I'd have the money to run power to all those little setups so I can put my heated water bowls out there and this and that.

Each run would have shade and, winter dog house and the summer dog house to swap it out with, and that, that'd be the best. But I would go to, I'd go to Tethers if I had, you could put a cable run, you could put a cable run and put the winter dog house, one end and the summer dog house at the other end and see which one they prefer hundred percent.

Give them options in the spring. Didn't have, wouldn't even have to move it. Nope. That'd be great. The way I make mine, because you [00:53:00] know I'm not a millionaire , I make my A frame so that I could take that barrel out. I just put this one little board across the bottom and it locks it into place for the season.

I ain't gotta worry about it. And then come the change of season from winter to, to spring, eventually it'll get warm enough. I'll notice 'em underneath the A-frame, cuz I always give 'em a room to get underneath and dig in. And just that, that's one of their ways to get away so that they're not in the heated area, they're just in a shaded area.

And once I start seeing 'em under there more than out, I'll take 'em out. And you just take that board out and pop the sum winter doghouse out and slide the slide. The the summer in it's too easy. It's not that bad. Maybe we'll get some pictures and video here one of these days.

Hey, I need, yeah, we need some pictures. I'd like to see your A-frame dog houses. I think those are, I think those are slick. I haven't built one yet, but I plan to do it This. And I think I'm gonna do carousels. I like your idea about carousels. I really do. They love 'em, man. The dogs that like 'em wouldn't have it any other way, man.

Like as soon like you go hunting and you come back and you're [00:54:00] like, man, this dog's tired. I'm not gonna see how he ain't gonna bark for four days. I'm not gonna hear, I'm not gonna hear old Billy bark for 3, 3, 4 days. He ran hard and you clipp into the cable run and you go back to the truck to bring the next one out.

And there's Billy doing his satellites that are on the cable run. They can't help themselves. They just run tap. And , they just zip around it and you have the doghouse tucked up underneath it with their water bowl. You can secure it with a little eye bolt to the same pipe that comes up out of the ground.

. And the wear point, you always gotta be aware of your wear points is where that. That piece of rebar nineties coming out of the pipe where it nineties and it rests. Yeah. Rice on top. That is where it, that's where it will break when it breaks. But you can see it coming. It's not, it does not sneak up on you, yeah. And then you just go get another piece of rebar and bend it and weld it again. Not weld it, but just heat it up and bend it over. If anybody's listening and plans on doing this I know we see it on TV a whole bunch where people heat up rebar with a blow torch until it's cherry red and then fold it over where they want it.

[00:55:00] And I think everybody likes to do it cuz it looks cool. I know, I sure used to like to do it, but then you quench it, people put it in the water. Yeah. And it cools it off. Do not do that. Don't do that. Brit makes it brittle. Yeah. It ma it makes it hard. If you were trying to put an edge on a knife or something like that. It'll make it way harder. , but this needs to be flexible. , you don't , you don't wanna make it hard there. It'll break, so if you do heat it up with a blow torch, it's pretty easy. You just keep the blow torch on it. Get your, one of those, ones from Home Depot.

I I like the little yellow tanks that get hotter faster. Then you just heat it up until it gets cherry red and then just slowly fold it over and just drop it on the ground, drop it on the ground and just leave it there. Let it cool off on its own time. And that way it stays flexible more. But that's where it'll break, you weld the loop, you weld the loop in the other end.

Yeah. Yeah. So he comes up outta the ground in the pipe, and then you got a 90 so that it goes straight out. And then at the end I just, I'll fold it over and make a little eyelet, foot bend it over, make a circle, something to connect [00:56:00] your and I some people like to weld something on the end of it.

I, yep. Keep it simple, stupid. Don't worry about that. Just heat it up and bend it over, make a circle with it, and then you could run your chain right through that and attach the chain to itself with a quick connect. , and then pull it back, do everything you can to pull that chain all the way back to the center pipe.

That's the only time you can get in trouble with this setup. Don't bring it all the way back and let it wrap around. Put the collar on it, and cuz sometimes you end up putting a swivel there. You measure the chain and forget about it, and then put the swivel and the quick connects and the collar on it, and then you added it six to eight inches.

Don't do that. Don't make that mistake. Do it all the way. Then as long as you can't take that collar and wrap it around. He can't go around it and then he can't go around it and go over top and get himself hung up. And then you're good to go. Let her ride and get outta the way, got carousel and knock you out if you're not paying attention, if you reach in there to clean something up he's coming around.

That dog is coming around in a circle, , that would be a problem with it. You gotta pay attention. If you got any youngins [00:57:00] around and they walk out there and that carousel comes around, it could. It could put the lights out. That's for sure. I'm already thinking about how to put a break on it so that you can, you can go in there and do your thing, but yeah, man, this is, this was a good one.

If you're gonna tie 'em out, do it right. Do it right. I think people got a lot of takeaways now. Know how to talk about why you got your dogs tied out. , start out by doing it right. And then know how to talk about it. I'm, I guarantee you, you won't have any problems unless you've already lived in a socialist state where they've taken away your freedoms and given your dog more rights than what you have.

Yeah. Yeah. And don't forget about those collars. Like I said, you can get the snaps outta the way and just quick connect the chain right to it, and you can get it. Just Google. Fleece line, nylon collars, and then that's just, you just buckle it to 'em. It does not take as long as folks think it does, and there's some four pie nylon collars that I made the mistake of buying.

I thought I was just gonna, over-engineer this. Yeah. To the, and they're four pies and [00:58:00] nylon with a fleece on the inside. And man, that was, I got tow cables that aren't half as stick as them. Things were , don't make that mistake. Two ply of the nylon is plenty, yeah. For your a hundred, for your 80 pound vicious bulldog that wants the, kele the tree in your yard or something like that, that then two ply nylon is p plenty. Don't make my mistake and get the thick stuff. Those thin ones are real easy to buckle on. So yeah, man.

Yeah. Cool. That's all I got. That's about everything. That's some, that's a good one. I like it. I'm gonna reference this episode a lot. I think so too. I think this is something that a good takeaway, cuz I know a lot of guys out there depend on tying out. And it is I'm gonna argue with you, I think it's cheaper than kennels, but Oh, do it right?

Yeah. It's cheaper. Yeah. It's less money. You, but you just need to buy the land. Cause now your dogs have more room. So if you have the real estate, they're cheaper. I'll, I agree with that. Yeah. Yeah. All right, ma'am. Chad, what else? Anything else we need to cover before we wrap this up? [00:59:00] Not really.

No. We got some, like I said, I got some little kennel training tips. We could pop around on another episode. We'll have to do that on another one. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. All right. Don't forget to if you like this podcast, share it on all the social media. When you see our canvas pop up, share that stuff, ma'am.

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