Map Scouting For Out Of State Gobblers

Show Notes

Jared Shaffer is joining the Limbhanger crew this week! If you know anything about Jared it should be that he's an absolute bonafide killer. It doesn't matter what animal he's chasing, he's going to have success. This turkey season was no different as he punched tags in California, West Virginia, Virginia, & Pennsylvania. For the traveling turkey hunter, developing your map scouting skillset is incredibly important. 

Jared shares with us some of his process for map scouting in states he's unfamiliar with, and how he narrows down areas based almost solely on topography. 

Show Transcript

[00:00:00] Welcome to the Limb Hangar Turkey Hunt podcast, brought to you by Grounded Brand and their new impact 2.0 Turkey vest. Get The limb Hangar Turkey Hunt Podcast strives to bring opinions and discussions from all aspects of the Turkey hunt community. From legendary Turkey hunters who hunted in military fatigues to the modern day hunters embracing technology while maintaining traditions passed along for generations.

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All right everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Limb Hanger Turkey Hunting podcast. Got my friend Joey here with me, Joey Bell. We got to spend a lot of time together this week, Joey. Probably some of the best time. That I've ever [00:01:00] had in the woods. It was a large time. No doubt. I, after a trip like that just a, just an ultra successful hunting trip, right?

We got Jared here too. Jared Schaffer's our guest this week, and Jared knows exactly what I'm talking about. I'm sure like you, you have successful hunting trips and you've got ultra success, like better than you could have ever imagined hunting trips. And we got to have one of those, and I, we ain't got it.

We ain't been able to have a whole lot of those. I don't think. I haven't in my lifetime. No, not like that. Jared, have you ever had, it's hard to come by. Have you ever had anything Jared like one where you just like, we went out and we did absolutely everything I could ever dream of? I've had a couple like that.

Yeah. My mule deer hunt in Wyoming was like that. Caribou and Alaska was like that. Just stuff you dream about. Stuff that you, you never would've guessed it would've turned out the way it did. Yeah. So I've had a couple it's always special when that happens. I'm amazed every time I go out west, Joey, I don't know about you.

But [00:02:00] I'm like, every single time I go and I love Turkey hunting and I love shooting turkeys and I love the kill aspect of Turkey hunting. Of any kind of hunting I do, but something about going out there, man. It's like being able to have that really good, successful trip in arguably the most beautiful place in the country.

I've been going back and looking at pictures and videos and gosh, man, I'd love to go back. I think the trips out there make it easier to swallow like a, like an extra tag. If you, like when we were, we had a couple tags left or whatever, we were totally fine with going home, not filling those tags.

And I think it's a lot easier to do in a pretty place like that. Versus I'm not saying everything out east is isn't, pretty or anything. But there's something about the scenery you know what I'm fine with just sitting here looking out at the scenery. Yeah. And not feeling a tag or sitting, sitting somewhere back east, sitting in a Florida swamp green up.[00:03:00]

Yeah. Looking at green up and skiers eating yellow live. Yeah. It's a lot better out there. I've never thought about that. An unsuccessful, a hunt where you don't kill out west is still way better than a hunt that you don't, than an unexciting hunt in Florida. Yeah. You work for these southern birds, man.

Like it's mostly work, I think out west. Like we, we work, we hike and it's hard and whatever, but man, when you get up to the top of that mountain, you're like, holy crap. This is awesome. I'm a fan, but we're not gonna talk about that today. We're not gonna talk about our Mon Montana trip because our our brother Adam, he is hanging out at his house with his guts falling out of him right now.

He's had some issues and in a lot of pain. We talked about it a little bit on a podcast. He told us that he is gonna have to have surgery and all that kind of stuff, but he's been out pretty bad, I think, this last few [00:04:00] weeks and just taking it easy. And so next week, hopefully he's gonna be on here and be able to interview us and talk to us about the whole Montana trip and and so I'm super stoked about that.

But Turkey season's winding down, man. It's, I've got one more little short hunt left in me, and I think I think that's gonna be it, Jared. Welcome to the show. First off, welcome to the Limb Hanger podcast for the first time. Yeah. Thanks for having me on. I'm excited to talk about my season cause it's been a really good one.

Yeah, it has. You've had a couple of good seasons, back to back. I think last year was pretty decent. It's been fun watching you. I think when I first met you, Jared, you were a Turkey hunter. But you were a deer hunter. That Turkey hunter. And you may still be that.

But I can definitely tell there's been a, some, a lot of things have changed for you, like some things have clicked and you've started figuring stuff out and become an incredibly effective Turkey hunter. So congrats [00:05:00] dude. Congrats on a great season. I appreciate that. Yeah, and like you said, I've always been a deer hunter.

That Turkey hunted. I've only been Turkey hunting for 10 years. This is my 10th year, so I'm relatively new to it. I didn't grow up Turkey hunting. Nobody in my family Turkey hunted. My good buddy Grand Lemon got me into it, and just every year it's just progressively gotten, it's gotten its hooks in me a little bit deeper.

So this year, even more so because I started making my own calls, loading my own shells, just the whole deal. So right as soon as deer season was over, I was in Turkey mode, and I think it helped, pay off pretty big this year. Yeah I'm starting to consider myself a true Turkey hunter.

I still got a lot to learn, but. I feel like I've got a few things figured out, let me tell you something that, that will help you. You spend a little bit of time with Joey Bell that will that will change how you just see how happy and joyful he is, only caring about turkeys and not caring about deer at all.

He's so happy. He's so happy [00:06:00] in the fall. Joey, how do you do it? There's not there's just not enough room in my tiny brain for everything else. It's just turkeys and concrete. That's about all I'm good for. Jared, we're again, we're super excited to have you on. This is the first year, first year of us doing the Limb Hangar, Turkey Hunting podcast.

And Turkey seasons are starting to wind down, starting to think about okay what could we talk about that'll actually be beneficial? And I think finding guys like yourself who have experienced a lot of really good hunts, In one season. And just doing these recap type things like season recaps, learning from different guys who hunted different places.

And it seems it seems to me, it seems Jared, like when you're around mountains, things die. Like when you're in hill, the hill country stuff dies. Is that pretty accurate? I, yeah, I guess that's fairly accurate. That's what I've always hunted is, mountainous hill country type stuff.

I guess I'm fairly used to it, with [00:07:00] deer and turkeys. But yeah, that's that's where I feel most at home is in the steep stuff kicked off in California. Ca California. Yep. Tell me a little bit about the terrain. We, people don't talk a ton about California Turkey hunting, Joey.

I don't, is there, I've seen like a born and raised video, I think where they hunted turkeys in California and that was about it. Joey, have you heard much about it? I see a couple people more and more. It seems like every year one or two more people go out to California. I don't know, Jared, maybe you can elaborate on it and it, I would almost think that it's intimidating one to fly that far or go that far across the country from literally, everybody here in the east that's a multi-day drive or a day long or a day in the airports basically.

Yep. And two, California gets a bad rap because of all the gun laws and, the way things work out there, I would certainly be interested to hear about. An actual hunter's perspective about going into [00:08:00] California, doing some hunting and getting out of there. If I'm assuming it was probably way different like at the airport or something like that, then it was, if you like, like what we flew to Montana or something.

There were no, nobody gave us a second look carrying around a gun case. So I'd be interested to hear about your experience. So that's actually a misconception. I've been to California on a hunt four times now, three for deer. And then this was my first trip for Turkey and Northern California, which is where I was at.

And maybe it's different in the southern part. I don't really know. I was in the Redding area and hunting is very much a way of life in that area. Very rural communities. The people there are very similar to, to back east, hunting is a normal thing. Doing outdoorsy stuff is normal.

Flying into California, for me at least, was exactly like flying anywhere else. It was no big deal at all. We found people very friendly.[00:09:00] We actually got access to some private stuff just by knocking on doors. Yeah, a lot of people don't really think about California, but there are a lot of birds in California.

A lot of them. And you can get Rios and Miriam's, so that's really cool. I didn't know they had Miriam's. I did not know that either. Yep. Yep. In the high country you can get on Miriam's. Yeah. Nice. Interesting. I'm always interested in these, like these states where a guy could get both.

Yeah. Florida, you can get your Eastern and you can get your Osceola. Some of these Nebraska, I feel like in Nebraska you can get Easterns, Eastern Rios, and Miriam's, right? Yep. You can get knock 'em all three out there. Who knew? Who knew? California is a place to be for a Turkey hunter.

Lot of public land, lot of birds. The, so besides your hunting license you only, you need an upland bird stamp. It's $21 and you get three birds[00:10:00] wow. Besides the travel getting out there, obviously it's gonna cost more, but yeah, as far as the hunting license goes, it's probably one of the cheaper ones you're gonna buy.

Crazy. I've literally never looked into it. Like I said, I watched a born and raised video. I. I think that just randomly popped up and looked like they were having a heck of a good time doing it. What was it like, like the type of terrain that you were in, Jared? Could you compare it to anything here?

Back east the areas that we hunted, so there's California had just had so many different types of terrains. So we hunted in the valley, in the Sacramento Valley and that's where we killed our Rios at. We were hunting olive orchards. So it's just these small little olive orchards, all flat farm country.

But then you get up into more rolling hills that have oaks on 'em, just absolutely beautiful, just gorgeous country. And then you can get up into the mountains, into the high country, and it's very much like hunting out west, like Montana, Wyoming, stuff like that. So you can do whatever you [00:11:00] want to do whatever kind of terrain you want to get into.

And we ran into birds pretty much wherever we went. It just depends on what you want to hunt, but from flat farm country to mountains, you got it all. That's cool. Tell me about your hunt. I. Yeah, so it was tough cuz the weather was terrible. It was, late March had a nasty weather system push in, so it was raining, windy.

We only had maybe two good weather days and my buddy Cisco that I was hunting with, he lives out there. He had got access to a small olive orchard. And the guy that was running the orchard said, these birds come through here every day, pretty much. So we had some local intel and there was a flock of birds in there.

I don't know how many gobbler there was. Maybe 50, 60 gobbler. I don't know. It was insane. So they were all roosted. They were all roosted across this field. Maybe 300 yards away. And we watched 'em all pitch down and they're in this person's yard just going nuts, chasing each other around [00:12:00] strutting breeding, just doing Turkey things.

It was really cool, and they eventually just started working their way toward us and we just had to wait 'em out. It's just a giant flock of birds, so you can't really call to 'em, they're just doing their thing. But we had a decoy out and eventually they finally saw the decoy and come running in.

So I shot the first one dropped him. My buddy Cisco missed one, so I started doing real aggressive fighting per, and the one came right back, came running right back in, and he ended up killing that one. So he doubled in one morning. So that was pretty sweet. That's cute. A double. Damn.

That's cute. Yeah,

man. The more and more I hear people talk about hunting Rios, I think the more and more they're becoming my favorite Miriam's are just pretty. And they're fun because they're gobble a lot. But Rios are fun because they come charging end of the call. They respond to calls a lot better than Miriam's, I think.

Yeah. More often than not. [00:13:00] And Rio was like, God was like, okay, we gotta give these guys a break.

That's what it feels like sometimes. It's like we're gonna make a fairly hard gobbling Turkey that actually comes in to call, spends more time in strut than outta strut. Just like all these, you live in two too steep of terrain. Yeah. Pretty easy most of the time too. Yeah. Yep. That's awesome, man.

C is when you went to California, obviously you had some some help with with some buddies that were there. And I think, if I'm not mistaken, this is the same guy that you've hunted deer with as well, yeah. Correct. Yeah. Now when you go, is there any, are there any type of like specific, like I, again, I don't know anything about California, like you have to hunt with a resident or is there any type of like real crazy restrictions that a guy would need to know about?

No, not really. As far as turkeys go, it's pretty lax as long as you use non-lead ammo. I think that's the only [00:14:00] thing other than that there's no check-in procedure, there's no tagging procedure that I'm aware of. So it's, I kept asking my buddy, are you sure I don't have to tag this thing?

He's oh, no, you're good. But yeah, you kill three birds and yeah, it's pretty, pretty straightforward man. It's on my radar heavy now. Yeah, you definitely should do it. It's a good trip. It's definitely a big change of pace from the east. But yeah it's a lot of fun. They opened early out there too, right?

Don't they open in March sometime? Yeah, March 25th was the opener this year. I gotcha. Yep. On 82 bad. Joey, did that remind you of a old boy at the restaurant that day? That was like it did. He said he said, you boys reprinting your tags. We're like, Nope. He's really? It was it was odd or bizarre that we were actually using the tags that we purchased instead of just not using 'em at all.

Ain't adhering to the bag limit. Yeah. Foreign concept for this fella. It's weird. [00:15:00] We were talking about it on the, on our trip, how Flo was it? Florida and Mississippi. That's just now starting to tag turkeys. I can't get over that. I don't know how you properly manage something.

Yeah. And not know how many are taking off the landscape. You do the online survey where people are lying through their teeth. Yeah. Florida, so this was the first year that you had to register or check 'em in Florida. And so I killed two turkeys in Florida this year, and I killed a couple last year.

And last year I was the same way. I was like, crap, we, we don't have to do anything. There's nothing we have to do. You don't even call somebody or you feel a little dirty. It does feel bad behind the seat. It feels bad. You don't like it. It's but I could understand like some of these states, like it wouldn't surprise me if a state like Montana Had a thing like that because most of the people who are out there don't hunt turkeys.

[00:16:00] They don't care about turkeys California. How, what is it like there? Is there a pretty big Turkey hunting culture? Locally? I guess it really didn't seem like it. As far as all the other states I've hunted on public land, there was way less pressure. Like we, we didn't really run into anybody.

Like even on public. So I don't know any, anywhere you go that you don't run into people on public is just strange to me. Cuz especially for turkeys, it seems like there's, there's more people hunting publicly and for turkeys. But yeah, pressure was pretty light where we were at, so I thought that was pretty interesting.

That's, it sounds like a cool hunt. It, yeah. Very cool. It sounds pretty sweet. I've been closely following you just. On your California stuff because it piques my interest a little bit. I know you've been there a few times for a few things. We've already talked about that.

But even talking about deer and kind of anything else, just like that. I think what you said, it's a misconception about [00:17:00] California as a whole. Because the people that I know who have been to Northern California are from Northern California. They're just not a whole lot different than us.

They just maybe talk a little bit different. Yeah. That's it. So California is a lot like it. I've been to 47 states now, and most of 'em have been for work. So the cities, some of the cities are exactly what you hear about, on TV or whatever, good or bad. And, but once you get out of those cities, you get an hour outside of a city.

It's a lot of similar folks just like back east, no matter where you are, east, west, north, south. They're very similar people, just rural good people. Yep, totally agree. Was there anything Jared different about that hunt, like tactically or was it, did it seem pretty true to how you hunt turkeys in West Virginia?

Yeah, pretty similar. Just like you'd run into hen up birds anywhere else, that's pretty much what we were dealing with.[00:18:00] The weather is what really screwed us. It was just not good Turkey hunting weather, cold and rainy and just not good. Actually right after I left the weather straightened up and got super nice of course.

And my buddy shot two more like within two days. And then his son shot two. I think so. Huh? I think we just hit the weather bad. But yeah, I mean they were just like hunting turkeys anywhere else. They were definitely. Difficult just because of the big flocks that they were in. I think going out a little bit later would probably be a little bit better, but I wanted to be there for the opener.

So that's just what I had to deal with. You is the weather where you were at, is it pretty consistent with like San Francisco as Northern California and everybody talks about how cold it gets in the summer relative to, back east or just anywhere else? Was is there normal weather cool, like in the springtime, like I always hear by California having almost the same kind of weather all year long, maybe some slight differences.

So was that [00:19:00] Yeah, kinda the way it was outside of the bad, rainy, cold weather that you were talking about? Yeah, the area I was in, it can get, it gets really hot out there in the summer and it can definitely be, really warm in the spring as well. But, typically you're in the. Seventies, high during the day.

So it's nice weather that time of year. We just, we didn't hit it right. And of course, you plan a trip like that, there's really not much you could do. You just gotta deal with it. Yeah. Now, where you were hunting there you said you started like Sacramento Valley type area.

That sounds relatively easy. I don't know anything about the Sacramento Valley. Is it, are you hunting terrain, big terrain, or mostly flat type stuff? No, most of the valley is farmland. Okay. Different kind of orchards. Olive orchard. Yeah. Olive orchards. Yeah, it's mostly just flat, big farm country.

The public that's in the valley is fairly small. It's smaller [00:20:00] parcels of stuff, so that's a little tricky to deal with as well. The one B l m piece we were on was like 40 acres, but there were turkeys there. Just depends on where you're at. And once you get outside of the valley and get up into the mountains a little bit, then you get into the bigger national forest and stuff like that where you can ro around a little bit.

That's a good topic right there. Small property. For deer, it's a great topic. A lot of people are used to doing that, I think for deer, cuz you're sitting in one spot most of the time. But we can talk about turkeys, people feel a little differently even I do, but I think.

I think when you talk about, like in the deer hunting world, you've got overlooked spots, right? Dan and FA talks about that a lot. It's that hunting beast tactic type stuff. It's, it really works a lot during Turkey season. Yeah. I see that for turkeys happen more times. No, I'm not gonna say more times than not, but I see a lot of guys and have personal experiences.

Joey, we had a couple of experience small property [00:21:00] experiences where people just tend to write 'em off, yeah. If you can find a way to get in there, it can be a really stinking good hunt. Absolutely. That's a great topic. I think people write 'em off because in the day of running gun mobile hunters that we're in right now, if if you can cover, if you can cover a property in an hour, then they'll just.

Drive on by it and or they won't commit to it or anything like that. But the small properties like that, especially with turkeys you're not looking at that property per se, you're looking at everything around it. Absolutely. Banking on them, coming through that property. But they're, there's not, what I tell people all the time whenever it gets brought up in like the Marco Polo, Patreon group or whatever they ask a question has been asked like, how small is too small of a property for Turkey?

My response is, you only need as much property as the shotgun range, as far as I'm concerned. [00:22:00] If he gets into property, if he steps on the property line and it's within 40 yards, that's all the property you needed, apparently. Yep. I wouldn't low overlook anything if it, if you think there's habitat around there that's gonna hold birds, Yeah, and we can get into that too when we talk about my New York trip cuz we actually looked for smaller parcels that had the right habitat that bordered it.

And that was our whole tactic. And instead of focusing on like one property, we were finding multiple properties that kind of all had the same thing going for it. And then we were just spot checking all of those throughout the morning, just figuring out where the birds were at and we were like targeting those smaller parcels.

That's that's good dude. And we can get into that if you want to into that New York hunt as you're talking right there. I'm remind, I'm reminded of last Turkey season on my way home from Wyoming. I was driving and driving through Nebraska. Which that was the last year that you could just buy a tag [00:23:00] in Nebraska.

So I got a little bit lucky because now the, I think, what is it 10,000 or something like that? Non-resident tags or sounds something like that. They put a cap on it. They put a cap on it. So at the end of the season, they're probably not any left. I'm pretty sure there was 10,000 people on that freaking national forest when we were there.

I would imagine it's they were long gone. But what I was doing in that particular situation was driving down the interstate on my way home and looking at my mats and noticing these tiny, like tiny WMAs that had really good habitat. And you could just, as you're driving by 'em, you're just like, holy crap.

If it's been hunted much, there might not be any turkeys on it, but if it hadn't been hunted, like there could be turkeys. And I, in long story short, I ended up killing one. Doing just that. So talk about that, Jared, y'all got to New York. Tell me, what you were looking for and your kind of initial thoughts about it.

Yeah, so New York there's a ton of public in New York, or at least the area [00:24:00] that I was in. And a lot of it was big woods type setting, but we started looking at the smaller parcels that had private fields that butted up against it. And we would just drive around until we saw birds and then pull up OnX, be like, oh, there's a piece of public right there.

We could probably call 'em, if they're within six, 700 yards. We feel you got a shot at possibly calling 'em in. And that's exactly what we did. The one parcel we spent most of our time in was it was a good terrain feature that connected all of these private fields to one spot.

And the one spot was all public. So again, New York, we got hit with terrible weather. It absolutely, it poured the rain down the whole week. So that made it tough. But we were on birds all week and we would drive around, see where they were at, where they were headed to, and then we would make a play, running there, get on public and yeah, we, and another thing that [00:25:00] really screwed us in New York was that noon cutoff time, two days that came into play, where we had birds come in, we were watching them strut, do their thing at 80 yards coming our way, and then right at closing time.

So we had to let. The first day one gobbler he got away from us, had to just let him walk off. It was right at noon. And then the last day there was three gobblers that we called in and they got pretty much into gun range at about 1201. Got, oh man, that was a tough one. Cuz man, we grinded hard all week.

And I actually missed a bird that came in silent and, took me by surprise. And it was one of those deals where he was about 42 yards and he was in strut, had his head tucked down. I think I just didn't account for that. And he rolled and just took off at the shot. So just didn't get enough, didn't get enough in him.

So I had my opportunity should have [00:26:00] killed. He got away. And then that last day, it was the same deal. We were, we had checked out a small piece public. Went, got back to the truck, loaded up and we were gonna head to another spot. We drove a hundred yards and there's three struts in the field that border's public.

Like, all right, we're in the game. So we run back up in there and got these birds fired up. They were just hammering, but they had some hens with 'em, but they were slowly working their way toward us. And ended up getting in a calling contest with another guy that was on private. He was in a much better setup than we were, and we were calling back and forth, he was out, he was trying to out call me.

I was trying to out call him, and we eventually got the whole flock of turkeys to come up into public. The public line was about 80 yards from the field edge, so that kind of screwed us too. If the public would've went clear to the field edge, we'd have been fine. We'd have killed, but they needed to come, 80 more yards.

And by the time they got up there, it was, 1201, I just had to lay the gun down and watch 'em strut [00:27:00] away. Yeah, that, that was a heartbreaker. Golly, that hurts. One thing I wanted to ask you, you said it was Big Woods up there, and there's a couple spots I know of around here that have just, it almost looks just monotonous, when you just turn on the satellite and I think it could apply to out west too, when you have just a huge chunk of, where we were at Montana Pines.

And I was wondering what I do in the situations like that, when there is just a monotonous satellite image, just turn on the topo map and try to find the, that outlying factor. Or that outlying habitat feature. And around here, in most places, it'd be like a creek bottom, like a wide creek bottom in amongst hills and haulers.

Is that kind of similar to what you were finding birds in up there? Or is there something else you were looking for when you were just looking at big woods properties? Yeah that's actually the one thing that I look for in, in big Woods type stuff. And this is what, this this'll tie [00:28:00] into the Virginia trip that I took this year.

It was all big national forest mountainous, monotonous type stuff. And that's exactly what I look for is a, some sort of creek bottom or a couple creek bottoms that come together where there's multiple ridge points where they can roost. And then if you can find some kind of edge within that, either pines or a clear cut or something like that, there's typically turkeys in there.

At least that's what I've seen. So I, that's something I'd definitely look for. Yeah. And not to give a whole lot away from our Montana trip, but we were finding more turkeys in maybe the outlying or foothills of those areas, those big monotonous areas. Yeah. When you agree Parker, like it wasn't in the middle, it wasn't in the middle of these big giant expanses of public dude.

I would say that's pretty accurate to all of the hunting that I do ever. Yeah. Yeah and honestly I was just sitting here thinking about it five minutes ago, thinking about just [00:29:00] being on these edge type properties and I'm trying to think of turkeys that I've killed just in turkeys or deer.

Honestly, I've probably killed more deer this way. But turkeys, how many have I killed a, like far away from a property line? And there might not be any of them. Honestly. I may not have ever killed a Turkey in the heart of a W m A. I was gonna say my Florida birds, but nope. All of them have come off of private property onto the public.

I think that's just a great overall tactic because especially in states like pretty much any state you can't bait on public land. And so when you have these big, giant monotonous pieces of property, the only real food variation or like man-made type food sources are gonna be, in our case in Montana was around these cattle properties.

That was, they were, they had food there. They had water in most of those places. They had greener grass.[00:30:00] All that stuff than they had in the freaking Ponderosa Pines. There wasn't much. Yeah. They don't have much. And so they like the terrain features, I believe. I think they like that terrain, but they're gonna choose that same terrain, maybe even lesser if it can be in close proximity to that food source.

I think deer the same way. Alabama's not a bathing state, or it is a baiting state now. And so you can safely assume that those private lands are at the very least getting corn, they're just getting corn to heck. Which is probably gonna produce bigger deer than, briars in the middle of an Alabama national forest.

So I think it's an overall good tactic no matter what you're looking at, is trying to get close to those private properties. But going back to what you were talking about, Jared or what you were talking about Joey, Jared, you'll know this in the places that we've hunted in Kentucky together.

A lot of that's monotonous and Yep. And it really is. It makes it so much stinking easier to just turn off any [00:31:00] imagery and just use those topa lines. And then what you can do is start piecing stuff together, find the good thing, good terrain, which is gonna be the most important there, then turn on your satellite.

This is what I usually do, turn on my satellite and then start looking at the vegetation and the habitat, and maybe trying to find something where I can get both of those things together. And yeah I, that, that was really an interesting thing cuz I was just thinking about I don't think I've ever killed a Turkey in the heart of a place.

And maybe honestly, if I looked at it, maybe not even a deer just because I feel like that's such a successful tactic. Yeah. Going back, I'm the same way thinking about deer and turkeys. Most of 'em are pretty dag on close to that edge, that property line. So you can't be afraid to get in close, obviously I try to stay far enough back.

I'm not tempted at all to shoot on the private, so try to stay outta range of 'em. But, that's where there's animals are hanging out, is around those edges, absolutely. What was the I know you said in California you had [00:32:00] the olive orchards and stuff. What's like the main type food sources you find in a place like New York?

I've never hunted like that kind of east coast area, so I don't really know what to expect when I do one day. The area we were in, there was a lot of cut corn fields. Obviously they're gonna, they're gonna eat acorns and stuff like that they're eating, little buds and flowers and, whatever they can find pretty much the same as West Virginia here, they're just, Kind of a, they're eating a little bit of everything.

There's not one food source that really keyed in on it, cornfields that, that was kinda what I was looking for. Like just those things that you can look at on a map and say, there is a food, there's food there. Yep. You can't look at every pasture on a map and assume that it's got something, great in it, but Right.

When you go out to some of these places, Midwest anywhere I've ever hunted Midwest, it's got a lot of bean and soybean [00:33:00] and corn fields, and a lot of times those fields grow back up in a I don't even know what it is. I'm not a farmer. It's Hey, winter wheat yeah.

Stuff like that. Wheat in the wintertime. Yeah. They'll just grow back up and that's what you usually get during Turkey season, which is great. And what I've seen especially when you've got. Bugs start hatching and things like that. And what I'm getting at here is just, I know Jared, you're very good at looking at a map and kind of being able to look at a map from your home.

A lot of people can't do this. You can't look, they can't look at a map and have a good idea of what to do. They have to get the boots on the ground. So Jerry, I guess what I'm really wondering is like your process for hunting up all these different states. I think you hunted six states, is that what you said?

Five or six. Five or six, yeah. Five or six states. You obviously can't do a whole lot of scouting and right. You've got research. Pretty much everything has to be done online. So what are you doing when you go in a place like New York, for example?[00:34:00] I'm really just looking for diversity. I, there's probably turkeys in those big woods places where there's not much different diversity.

I'm sure there is, but, went on a short out-of-state trip. I'm trying to find, a couple different creek bottoms coming together. Ridge points, a couple clear cuts, any kind of opening in the woods. Just, the more diversity, it's just like scouting for deer, the more edge you've got water, there's typically gonna be, there's gonna be critters there.

So I don't really overthink it. The Virginia trip that I took was a perfect example. I wasn't even planning on this trip. Like we, we went to California. We got back and I had a, like a week to kill between California and West Virginia opener. So I was like, looking around to see what was in, I was like, shoot, Virginia's in.

And it's, three and a half hours from me. I literally zoomed in on a map to the National Forest and I was like, that spot looks good. There was like three ridge points that came together. [00:35:00] There was a, like a, there was a knob on the end of this point that was covered in pines, and then the adjacent ridge to the east of that was clear cut and it looked like it was nice and open.

So I was like, there's water, there's a clear cut, there's ponds and hardwoods mixed together. There's gotta be turkeys there. That was literally all the thought that I put into it. And it's hilarious because I loaded up, drove down there three and a half hours, got there with probably, I don't know, an hour and a half before dark and I parked at the gate.

That I marked on OnX and I walked a hundred yards and that bird gobbled right on the point that I had marked. I was like, you've got to be kidding me. It just doesn't work out like that. And he was one of those birds where he would hammer to the hoot every single time. So I was able to pinpoint, walk from one spot to the next and really get a good pinpoint on him.

And yeah, it just, it worked out perfect. [00:36:00] Did you kill him? Was that go ahead, Parker. I was gonna say, did you kill him that night or did you kill him the next morning? I killed him the first, the next morning. Okay. You could only hunt till noon at that time, oh, okay. I gotcha. Yeah. Is that kinda the the mountainous terrain that you were referring to?

I can't remember if it was before we were recording or what, but was that kind of up in the mountains, those national forests? Like I know West Virginia is notorious for mountain birds. Are you still looking for those ridge points? In the mountain kind of terrain because we just have like hills and haulers around here, so it's real easy to see those ridges.

Standing off and doing their thing. But I didn't know what it was like. Like when you get up into the mountains, are you factoring in more? Are you looking at benches a lot more maybe than you would around here? Or is there anything different that you do up in the mountains?

Yeah, so where I'm at here in West Virginia, the ridge tops are fairly wide and flat and then you'll have benches off the side of that and you don't have a whole lot of points. Like the ridges are just big, [00:37:00] long, they could be two miles long and they're fairly flat on top. So you'll have good hunting on the very top of the ridge cuz it's nice and flat.

Where I was at in Virginia, it was more like an actual mountain. There was a big main ridge. It was really steep. And then you had all these like foothills, like little finger ridges that came off. And that's what I was focused on. Cause the higher elevation doesn't green up quite as fast.

So those lower elevation foothills that are closer to the water were greened up a good bit. And that's that's mainly what I was focused on was were those lower elevation kind of ridges and points. And I imagine too when when you're hearing turkey's gobble, it's easier out there or in these mountains to determine if he's up high or if he's down low.

And I always hear if they're up high, there's a better chance that they're alone or don't, or they're not roosted with HS versus if they're down low in, in some of those bottoms or whatever, that they may have some hens with them because the hens are gonna go to that food. That's their number one priority.[00:38:00]

So was it a little easier to determine lone gobblers versus maybe flocks that were roosted down at the bottom? I see it both ways. I've seen 'em roost up high with hens and I've seen 'em roo down low with hens. So there's there's really no rhyme or reason, at least that I've seen.

Typically in the early part of the season, maybe not the early part of the season, like in the West Virginia opener, I think we opened the 17th of April. The birds didn't have hinge yet. They were still flopped up with, other gobblers. So that made it a little bit easier.

But then as the season progresses, they're typically with hens, roosted with hens pretty much the whole time. Yeah, it's hard to tell. It's situational. Had a great season. We've talked about California, talked about New York, talked about Virginia. Now we'll talk about the home front a little bit.

We'll talk about West Virginia. Now West Virginia seems to be always, you seem to be an opening day kind of guy. In West Virginia a lot of years. Was it similar this year? [00:39:00] Yeah, so I have the opportunity to do a little more scouting here locally. I'll run trail cameras for 'em and figure out where they like to hang out.

And that really plays in big for the opening day cuz I, I already know where they want to be I'm usually there waiting on 'em, but I've got a spot here, close to home that for whatever reason it's just a good spot for turkeys. It's a kind of a saddle in a ridge. Nice. Pretty green open, kind of grassy spot.

And that's where all the turkeys go to meet up, like first thing in the morning it seems so the past four years I've killed on opening day right there. And they've all been really big birds. I think they've, I've killed four birds out there with inch and a half spurs. So a really good spot.

It's a high fence. High fence Turkeys. Yeah, we've got the mineral pour too. Yeah. Yeah. They got trail cameras up and they got Dang boss Tom feed out there,

[00:40:00] man, West Virginia. The opening week of this year was, it was probably the best week of Turkey hunting I've ever had. My, my buddy Rob Mendoza, he works for Tethered now, he's, he runs camera and helps do some of that stuff, but his plan, he was gonna come down and hunt with me that week and he wasn't able to get down until Monday afternoon.

Our opener started Monday morning and I killed my bird right off the bat Monday. And then I told him, I was like, get a tag cuz you're up to bat. So he got his tag. We went out the next morning, he killed his bird in the same spot and then we flip flopped. I back me back on the gun again. We go to a buddy's place a couple miles down the road.

I kill that morning right off the bat. And then Rob kills Juan like an hour later. So he killed four birds in three days of hunting or something like that. Kelly in West Virginia. I know West Virginia's a decent state, it's a good [00:41:00] state for deer and turkeys. You don't hear people talk about it a lot.

No. I assume it's because, I assume it's because of the terrain. Is that right? Yeah, I would say so. And we don't have a ton of public land. There's a lot of national forest in the, southeast part of the state, but that's pretty tough hunting for turkeys. There's not a lot of them down there.

But outside of that, west Virginia's a probably a sleeper state, I would say for turkeys. There's a lot of birds here. Our season opens fairly early. Birds aren't quite. Hen up yet. So that first week of season is really good. And this year the weather was awesome for the first week. So it was just, it was absolutely killer.

But yeah there's a lot of birds in this area, so it's really good. Then you, that's kinda one thing that I don't hear, really hear about states opening up before they get henned up. I think I hear a lot about, they're in big flocks, but they're big flocks with gobblers and hens and everything else.

I don't hear many states that [00:42:00] open before that stage to where they're easier to call it, they may be easier to call in before they've even, gotten with some hens. I just don't hear that very often. It's always, Tennessee used to be like that, this year we opened two weeks later than we normally do, but we were just like, we were open, we would open and they'd be henned up.

Be pretty hard hunting for that first week or so, actually. And I was actually glad that they opened two weeks later cause we had some phenomenal hunting that mid-April timeframe after, the hens have started to go to nest. So it's just, it's interesting to hear that a state opened so early that it's before they get henned up.

Yeah. And it's something that I've noticed the pa cuz our season used to come in a little bit later April, and it seemed like it was tougher when it opened then, but now that it opens a little bit earlier now you can run into some bad weather where it's real cold. I've Yeah.

Hunted the snow opening day here. But yeah, for whatever [00:43:00] reason, especially this year, I don't, we've had two really good hatch years, the past two years, and there's just a lot of gobblers right now. The first day, the one that I killed, I called in four of 'em that were together four gobblers.

And then the next day the one that Rob killed, we called in three and it was a different group than the one that I called in and then the next, later in the week when I killed mine, he was, that bird was alone. But then the bird the second bird that Rob killed, there was like six gobblers in that group.

There wasn't a hen to be found. They were just big pile of gobblers. So I thought that was pretty interesting. I wonder, can you go ahead, Parker. I was just gonna say in, in years past, like did this year seem did it seem like there was just a bunch of two-year-olds, or did it seem, has it always been like that volume of gobblers in that area?

This is the first year that I've called in multiple gobblers, like several different times. Usually it's one bird, and it's, generally a pretty decent [00:44:00] bird. I don't seem to kill a lot of two year olds here. They seem to be, bigger birds. But even the ones we shot this year, I don't think they were two year olds.

The one I shot, he was, he had a 12 inch beard and was Spurs were inch in five sixteenths. And I don't know what the rest of them were. They all looked just as big as he was. I don't know. Yeah. But Joey, you and I have just been talking about that, a lot here in the last couple weeks about these different states with the hatch numbers.

It's definitely seeming like this year, two years ago, there must have been a, an exceptional hatch. And I heard that from a lot of people last year saying they saw a ton of Jakes. And you mentioned it too, Joey. I know. Yeah. And that was that was my comment when you said you had a good hatch in 2021.

That's just another, it's like you said, Parker, that's just one more state that had a good hatch in 2021 and it's I think it just further. I don't know that it confirms my theory, but I am very confident [00:45:00] that weather has such an impact on PU success. Nest success. Yes. I think if you, like for instance, in Tennessee, there was a decade, there was well over a decade where we had flooding, tornadoes, this horrible weather for a week or two weeks, that late April, early May timeframe when they either nests have, they're full of eggs or they're about to hatch, that real critical timeframe.

And I think a lot of nests just get wiped out by that bad weather. And in 2021, in 22, we didn't have that. And as far as I know this spring, we haven't had hardly any bad weather in this 10 up till now. And I would anticipate another good hatch this year. But it I think the weather has just had such an effect on everything the past decade, that it is hinted towards a decline when maybe it's so [00:46:00] cyclical.

Turkeys are so cyclical if, one or two good hatches it two or good hatch years in a row, and the population could grow 25% probably in some areas. So I don't know. I'm anxious to see what comes out, how many poles we got around, come summertime, this June July timeframe when you see a lot of 'em running around.

I would but I would be willing to bet that we have another good hatch year this year, Joey? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. It's been really good weather here and like you said, there's a lot of Jakes this year. I saw a group of eight of them the first day, so they're all still running around.

I just saw 'em the other day, so I'll be anxious to see what it looks like after this year. But yeah it's been pretty solid as far as numbers go. I noticed, Joey, just to confirm what you're talking about them being so cyclical, is that the word? Is that the right word? Cyclical. It sounds like a, it up, it sounds like a dirty word when it comes outta your mouth.

Cyclical. I'll have to cyclical. Cyclical. I think that's right. Is that right? Anyway when I was in Texas, [00:47:00] I've talked about it several times when we lived there growing up, there's turkeys everywhere. On our deer lease that we had, there's turkeys all over the place. You'd see big, giant flocks, deer and deer season come into your, come straight into the feeder and just eat every last piece of corn that was in that little pen, and but all of a sudden, my junior year, or my, I think it was my, actually my senior year in high school, they were just gone, just freaking gone. You might see a lone hen every once, like very, Sparingly, but it went from being like amazing to all of a sudden just gone. And and I know now it's back to being freaking awesome again right there.

And it I do remember us having a drought that was West Texas, so drought is fairly normal. But that particular year, even the deer hunting was bad. It felt like, it was just, it was very dry. I wanna say we had a lot of fires that year. Maybe not on our lease, but that's how dry it was.

It was just [00:48:00] drought and it cut a very good Turkey population down to just nothing. And I think it's easy. I appreciate the states. We don't talk about this a lot for a reason because we're not biologists and we're not scientists. But I can say that I do appreciate the states that are Similar, doing similar to what Tennessee has done and allowing the breeding to happen.

And so you make sure that, that happens. And then also but then you have the unknowns, the things that only God can control, which are things like weather and you just can't, you can account for it maybe, but you can't depend on it being right. Every single year. And it's what you said, Joey.

It may be a, an unknown thing. Like it's just the way it is. This is how Turkey populations go. We just don't have maybe enough study to, to say that is what's going on. Yeah. And it's hard to, I think it's hard to quantify things like that, like weather. Yeah. Unless you just, you could probably do a decade's worth of [00:49:00] surveys, pulse surveys or whatever, and maybe come up with some kind of trend.

But I noticed it immediately in 2021. Like I re, I remember seeing Pulse in Tennessee the last weekend of Turkey season, which would've been that, 15th, it's the middle of May. And I remember that Tuesday or sometime early that week after the season ended, I was seeing Pulse the size of pigeons because, they were early hatch, they made it through the time period where in the past we had that bad weather.

And so we had lots of good early hatches. They were already big enough to fly, which is super important that two, that first two weeks when they can't fly. And they had already made it past that point. So I am I'm just a big proponent of, watching that weather and anticipating whether or not we're gonna have a pretty good hatch based off of that.

[00:50:00] Absolutely. Jared, going back to your season, dude I know there's one more state that we haven't talked about. That's pa is that right? Is that the only one that we left out? Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about Pa I, I know virtually nothing about Pennsylvania. I do know that we have a pretty high on the Southern Ground Podcast.

We have a pretty high listenership from there, and so I think it's a pretty highly pressured state from everything I've heard. Is is that true? Did you deal with a lot of the Pennsylvania hunting pressured stories? Judging by the amount of shots I heard on opening day, I would say that is very correct.

So a buddy of mine The buddy that I hunted with opening week here in West Virginia he got access to a small, it's 70 acre piece of private in southwest Pennsylvania. It's actually real close to some of the public land that I hunt. So he asked if I wanted to go with him opening day in Pennsylvania.

So I tagged along and I don't know how many gunshots I heard, [00:51:00] like pretty close by, but there was a lot of gunshots and I was pretty surprised. It sounded like opening day, a rifle season. It was that bad. But there's a lot of birds in southwest Pennsylvania, at least the area that I hunt and dude opening day.

So we we'd never been on this property before, so we were just working our way through it, just figuring it out. And we struck up a bird. Probably nine o'clock or so. We ended up calling him in and he was being real cautious. You could tell he was probably an older bird. And my buddy ended up missing him, just took a shot that was too far.

So he, he was bummed out that he missed. So we were just working our way back to the truck and we spotted a bird strutting at the end of this property, in this kind of, there's a field and then there's a logging road that comes out of the field that leads back into the woods. So this bird was strutting with a hen, and we got eyes on him, watched him breed the hen, and he went over this little null.

And as soon [00:52:00] as he did, we just took off running to get up there to him. So we get up, get pretty close, I start calling and this bird gets fired up. So the t the tactic that we've used quite a bit this year is elk hunting, where you have a collar back up. 50, 60 yards and kind of tag team 'em and I really think that's a really effective way to call him in.

So that's what we did in this situation was I dropped back, started calling, got the bird fired up. My buddy worked his way into position and he eventually got a shot on this bird, killed it. This thing had inch and seven, eight spurs, like legit dang near two inch spurs. The biggest spurs I've ever seen on a Turkey.

Just an absolute giant. Oh. So he kills this thing opening day. And then the property owner told me I could come back and hunt it again if I wanted to. So I went back it was probably a week later or so and I got on that same bird that he had missed in the same [00:53:00] spot and. He put a pretty good whooping on me.

He got I thought for sure it was a done deal. I had him at 60 yards, he was coming and man, he got around me, got above me and then that was pretty much game over when they ga, when they gained the high ground like that. And he got away from me. So I ended up going back the next morning and I set up in a spot where I felt like I was in a lot better position to kill him.

And he did almost the same exact thing. He came off the Ridge point, he was roosted on and he was with a hen, so he was just slowly working his way toward me. And I could hear the hn yelping a little bit, she was doing that muted Yelp, so I knew she wasn't too far away. So I'm sitting there on pins and needles and he hadn't gobbled anymore in a probably a half hour, so I didn't know where they were at or how close they were.

And I'm just sitting there. And I spot the HN coming up out of the woods into the kind of the opening that I'm sitting in. Then here he comes full strut right into the opening and I've got my [00:54:00] gun down off of my knee, not in position. Then I've got a HN decoy out eight yards from me real close.

So I typically don't use decoys when I do, it's generally a single hin. That's what I like to use. So he spots that decoy and he's strutting right toward the decoy, and he honestly gets too close. So I've got the gun off of my knee and I'm just. I'm just thinking, I'm like, I gotta get this gun up so I can kill him, but I can't move, I can't do it quickly.

So I'm just slowly trying to get the gun up. And he ended up busting me. And, but he wasn't quick enough. He took off running, but he he didn't zig or zag quite fast enough and I got him, but it turned out to be that same bird that he had missed. And then I had the encounter with the day before and he was a real good bird too.

He had good spurs on him. Good beard. Nice heavy bird. So that was that was my one Pennsylvania tag. I've still got one tag. I did make it out on public up there last week and didn't hear much. It's getting to be [00:55:00] that point in the season where it's getting pretty tough, but I might try to make it out one more time to, to close out my season there.

But yeah, Pennsylvania, I. At least filled one tag there. So it was good. When when you were talking about tagged even a Turkey and having the caller get behind the shooter I think it was before we started recording, you said you got a little more aggressive with your calling this year and you think it paid off.

What is it that you did different? What kind of aggressive calling did you do that you think helped you kill so many more birds? I hunted with someone a lot this year, and not just by myself. I'm typically by myself. So when I'm hunting with, another person, we would do what we called hen parties where I start cutting and yelping, then he starts cutting and yelping and then we're walking, moving around.

We're trying to sound like a group of hens. And then, we even throw a couple gobbles in there at certain points, situational obviously. But yeah, just trying to sound like a group of turkeys. And I [00:56:00] think it sounds so much more realistic when you do that. The birds we called in this year came 600 yards a long ways.

And that happened multiple times, using that tactic. So that was, I've done it in the past before, but this year we really focused on it and really did a, did it a lot. And man, it, it really paid off. I was really surprised. Talking about that Joey I have had more hunts this year that seem to be successful with other people.

We've talked about it a lot. We've talked about soft calling a lot. We really hit on that. But these, walking through the woods moments just being a vital part of my Turkey hunt where I. Whereas used two, they didn't. They weren't, I don't feel like, I feel like my walking was just walking, getting from spot to spot.

Yeah. And now slowing down. Especially when there's a group of guys slowing down and like we did in Montana just soft calling our way. Like we're just a flock of Yeah. A hungry hens, just [00:57:00] clucking and purring and doing our thing and then stopping at those good spots and casting one out there.

I think a lot of people were, go ahead. I was just gonna say, I think a lot of people get so caught up with we gotta strike one. Yeah. But you might not strike one if you don't sound like if he hears a group of people walking through the woods, not making Turkey sounds you may not ever strike him.

And so I think that's it. It helped me with The fir, the very first bird I killed this year in Florida. I truly believe I killed that Turkey because me and Eli were walking through that swamp, walking down that property line, doing just that, just boop. And then we sat down and as soon as we sat down, we killed the Turkey.

Like almost immediately I pulled out the aluminum, hit it, and they were 50 yards away. And I think a lot of, there's been, we talked about it on our podcast maybe like last week or the week before that there's a lot of Turkey content,[00:58:00] creators and stuff that say the biggest mistake, we've all heard this, the biggest mistake you can make as a Turkey hunter is to call too much.

But I think when done it's fine. Keep making Turkey noises all day. You just gotta do it the right way. Know what each call means. Yeah, do just what you're saying Jared, having those, really trying to get, I like that. Did you say hen fest? Hen party. Hen party. I like that. That hen party.

I think I'm probably gonna steal that. Yeah. Just over here. Throwing a hen party. You talking about walking through the woods how much more realistic does it sound, with two or three guys walking through the woods and you don't have that, that two step of a one person of one person walking through the woods, it's probably harder to tell if it's turkeys or a dude, or whoever walking through the woods if there's a group of 'em and then you add in Turkey sounds, that sounds super realistic if you ask me.

Just a lot of leaves rusting and some Turkey sounds [00:59:00] versus one footstep after the other and some Turkey sounds. It makes a difference, I bet. Yeah. Yeah, I really think so.

Fellas, we're getting up here towards the end of our time and Jared, thanks a lot for coming on, man. You've had a heck of a Turkey season. It's been really fun to follow along. Yeah, I appreciate you having me on. It's always good talking with you, Parker, and hopefully I can get out one more day here and maybe fill one more tag before it's over, but if not, there's a country song.

One more day. I got, I'm with you man. I got two more. I got two and a half, probably more days. Turkey hunt than I'm gonna do in Tennessee. And then I'm gonna be doing what you did, Joey, what you did yesterday. That was a bad day yesterday. Had a hard time cleaning that door. Wish she hadn't have brought it up.

Actually put up my vest and oiled down the gun and stuck her in the safe[01:00:00] for a little while longer, but, My wheels are already turning for next spring, since I ain't gonna be able to hunt no more this spring. Jared, just real quick, you got any, anything that pops up that you wanna do next spring?

Oh, man I've gotta get a Miriam's man. I've, that's been I've wanted to kill one for so long and you guys going out there and just whacking and stacking 'em, man, that makes me wanna go out just that much more. Yeah, that's definitely on the radar, and, I, I'm not trying to do, the 49 state thing, but every year I'm like, man, I wanna knock off a couple new states.

There's lots of states I haven't killed turkeys in, so I'm just gonna try to maybe pick a new state or two every year and tackle it and, see what happens. Sounds good to me. Fellas, Again, thanks for coming on both you guys. And if you guys listening, man, if you got a little bit left in Yeah.

Pretty much. If you're in what, Tennessee? Anywhere out West Wisconsin. Northeast[01:01:00] yeah. Northeast. Do they go all the way through May? Maine goes No, main Maine goes into June. Maine goes into June. Yeah, Michigan goes into June. So there's a couple places. You still got weeks of Turkey season left. Yeah. Yeah.

Tennessee, our Tennessee brethren are the only ones in the south, still hunting 'em, right? Yeah. And I bet you I hadn't I hadn't hunted in Tennessee, the in May this year, but I bet you it's gonna be hot. I don't know. I looked at the weather the other day for this upcoming weekend.

You got pretty good weather. Yeah. I think the highs are in the seventies for and for Memorial Day weekend. Golly. It's been that way all year. All year. Dude, I have not had a Turkey hunt that I didn't start off in a hoodie all season long, which is freaking awesome. Like I'm grateful for that.

Yeah, I'll take out weather all day long, but it sucks when it gets middle of the day and you're like, flip, I gotta take this hoodie off. And you gotta carry that joker all day in your, in your bag. [01:02:00] It's nice if you gotta sit, if you sit for a little while. You got a little cushion. Anyways, yeah, let's get off of this thing guys.

Thanks for listening. Limb Hanger Turkey hunting podcast. We had a blast making this thing throughout this spring. I'm sad to see spring coming to a close, but I think we can squeeze out just a few more episodes that are relevant to what's going on right now to a Turkey hunter and so we're gonna try.

We're sure as heck gonna try, but we'll talk to you next week. Hey, thanks for listening to the Limb Hanger Turkey Hunting podcast. Hope you tune in next week for another great conversation about our favorite bird of the woods as the Wild Turkey. We'll talk to you guys next week.