Adjustable Red Dot Bow Sights

Show Notes

On this week’s show Paul and Andrew sit down with Tim and Abby of Adjustable Red Dot bow sights.  Tim and Abby break down the ins and outs of how the red dot they have designed can assist both old and new hunters in the woods.  The sight can be fit onto just about any bow available, and offers a new freedom in the tree stand.  The sight does not require peeps, kisser buttons, nose buttons etc.  ARD is based out of southwest Michigan, so just down the road to the state up north. Link to Adjustable red dots website

Paul was able to get out with his son this week to do a little turkey hunting.  Andrew, has not… but that may change soon.  News from around the state include new marinas being built, Turkey harvest numbers, and the Asian Longhorn beetle. Be on the look out for Disco Paul in his fancy new shirt and Mustache!

Have a great week and enjoy the O2 if you get out into Ohio’s great Outdoors!

Show Transcript

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And what's up everybody? Welcome back to the oh two podcast. Tonight Paul and I are gonna get you a little intro and on to our guest. Paul. What's up? What's up man? What have you been up to?

Paul Campbell: Oh dude, just [00:01:00] Turkey hunting, just working for turkeys. Mow my grass. Did that a couple times, man. Just living the good life.

I did. Sh and we'll pull maybe you can pull the video for this.

Tim Zelenka: I shaved my beard. I've got. Dude, the thickest rustiest,

Paul Campbell: mustache, mustache I've ever had in my life. We really don't need beer. My wife and daughters have never seen me without a beard. They were like, this is horrendous.

Andrew Muntz: Stop it. We don't need the video. What we need is that island Paul disco, Paul shirt picture from the other day.

Paul Campbell: Oh yeah. You know what? You can use that. Feel free to use that as the The image for this look

Andrew Muntz: at a lot

Paul Campbell: of clicks. I guarantee that. Oh man. I had, I've, I had, I've had a lot of fun with this with this look it's it drives my wife nuts.

Every female in my life, I hates it. That's funny. Every one of my friends, guy friends that sees it, or my son, they're all like, hell

Tim Zelenka: yeah.

Paul Campbell: Yeah. Oh man, it's

Andrew Muntz: a good time. I can't, we can't even say the name that the some of our buddies [00:02:00] down south gave you. Yeah, that would be inappropriate, but it looks great, man, and happy to hear it.

How has you were out in the woods hunting turkeys this week, right? With Mason?

Paul Campbell: Yeah. I've been out with my son trying to get him a Turkey d it, man, I was just, It's one of those and I have a different perspective this year because I've seen a lot of turkeys died. I've killed a couple turkeys.

It's been a lot of fun. I've got more opportunity outta state, so like this year is cool. This last time. It was cool for me. Turkeys were gobbling like, everywhere. And they're just like, at one point I, and I think I gave it the kiss to the death cuz I'm like, done deal dude.

I'm like looking at watch, I'm like, this turkey's gonna be dead by

Tim Zelenka: seven 15. Done.

Paul Campbell: And they hit the ground and we never heard them gobble after that. It was pretty. Pretty pissy, but it was still cool. I thought it was good. I thought it was good hunt, but my son was just, he was beside himself.

He was just like, this is bull crap. Those turkeys needed to die, dude. They were just gobbling so hard on the limb, man. We had a couple of 'em, and dude, they hit the ground and [00:03:00] just went, I don't know where they went. We spooked a couple Hess. I got at the P, two hands. Right behind me. Right behind me.

Not 25 yards. And like they didn't see me at first, and so I'm there. I'm literally peeing and these, he turn around and they look at me, I'm looking at them. I got my face mask like just below my nose and I'm like, oh my God, they're right there. And I'm peeing. And my son's are those turkeys?

And I'm like, yeah, there's two. Hes looking at me and I'm like, still peeing while this is going on. And I'm trying not to laugh because it's really funny. And they were just, Dude, just darts man. Just freaking looking into my soul. Andrew and I finished peeing and they just slowly turned around and started feeding off.

And I'm like, no freaking

Tim Zelenka: way. There's no way that

Paul Campbell: I just peed. You were in front of these turn. They never

Andrew Muntz: spooked. They weren't pressed.

Paul Campbell: Paul. They were not impressed. No, they weren't there. No, they weren't, they were not impressed with me. But they just, they walked right outta my life. I should have put a a post about that on.

Go wild. Time to go Enter, download the app on Android or [00:04:00] Apple. I just wanna say Android or iPhone, but it's Apple. And then, I don't know. Anyway, you guys what I'm talking about. Find a sign there. Oh two podcast ton of stuff. If you, Turkey season's pretty much over with, right? Not very much time left.

If you're getting into land management here for your whitetail property, they got some of that stuff. All sorts of stuff for the angler Fly Angler. Bass, angler, catfishing, whatever you want to do in this fine state in with a rod and reel, you can get that on Go Wild Ditch Pickle

Tim Zelenka: Set, which is a real nice kit of bass fishing

Paul Campbell: paraphernalia.

So time to go, social media. Find us on there. Oh two podcast. Find me on there, Paul Campbell. What a place. Good stuff place, man.

Andrew Muntz: Lots of turkeys dying on there. Lots of turkeys dying on there. Shout out to our buddy Bee Hall, Mr. Brian Hall, taking down a bird over the weekend. But there was a lot of people on Go wild posting their trophies, so congratulations to everybody.

Paul Campbell: Yep. Yep. And then also you can find all sorts of, if you want to, if you wanna pull this [00:05:00] video, Andrew, half Rack. We got these hunter hangers. I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna put my bear archery bow right behind me. I'm gonna take that middle Turkey fanan down and I'm gonna put my bow right there so that we're staring out at getting ready for archery season here in this great state.

If you are a deer hunter, And half dash rack. They got a ton of products with a deer hunter for the angler, just for the hunter, for land manager here in the States. Some really cool stuff. Meat Lux coming up. Hunter hanger. They got three pack and a 10 pack, right? Or two pack and a 10 pack something.

Where's my bag? Yeah. Two and a 10

Andrew Muntz: I believe. So half Ohio's, Ohio Outdoors. 15. Save you 15% on there. Let's see. Good savings. Where are we at? Midwest. Midwest Gun Works. Gun Works. Man. Love that place.

Paul Campbell: And so you got, you picked up a gun, you picked up an AR 10 from our boys over there.

Yeah. From Cameron. Everything's pretty slick,

Andrew Muntz: man. It's sick. And now it's become this idea of calling coyotes in is, it's becoming a sick obsession. Thanks to our friends out in Missouri [00:06:00] who've really gotten me intrigued by I guess I haven't talked about that. When did I go out?

Was that. Earlier this week. I got, I sent him week, month

Paul Campbell: ago. Yeah. May mid April, something like

Andrew Muntz: that. Early April. No, but as I, I went out last week to try to call somebody. Oh yeah. It was right after all that rain had stopped and I actually did get a couple a couple dogs come, coyotes, sorry to come in.

I gotta quit saying that. Couple coyotes come in and they were off to my side. I don't even know if I've talked to you about this, Paul. I could see 'em and I was recording 'em, but they were working downwind to me. So they were trying to jay hook behind me to catch my wind. And at that point, basically there was not a safe shot at that.

They're working into areas where, Roads. And homes. And homes and stuff like that. Yeah. So it was neat to get out there and watch 'em on my X Vision optics thermal scope. Tag that

Paul Campbell: in, throw that in. Thanks. There you go. Supported the show, X Visions.

Andrew Muntz: Thank you very much. X vision But also, I think I put this [00:07:00] on Instagram and go wild, but the, I'm the worst social media apologize.

That Bobcat, man, that stinking bobcat just, it was huge.

Paul Campbell: Looked like

Andrew Muntz: a little bear. Yeah. And he was close. And that thing was probably within a hundred yards. The be biggest one I've seen out there, and folks were outside of central Ohio, this is still new to me, but every time I see him, it's just amazing.

And the funny part is like he was walking down this ditch line like where the fields have a ditch and. I lost him behind this hill and he did not care. I think at that point I was hitting like female interrogation, how, it was a coyote call and he did not care about that at all.

And then when I lost track of him, I started I don't know, like the next in my. Little repertoire was gonna be like rabbit and distress or something. And I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna go ahead and back off the rabbit and distress right now because I don't know where this bobcat went. And I don't want to explain to people why I got mugged by a bobcat [00:08:00] last night.

So yeah. And I don't know where he went, but it was really sweet video to watch him. It'd be really sweet. I wonder if we're

Paul Campbell: gonna have, I wonder if we're gonna have a, a hunting season, a limited

Tim Zelenka: maybe quota hunt

Paul Campbell: hunting season. And like quota. So the, I know like Minnesota has a quota bear hunt in some regions to where they say, okay, in this zone we will allow 15 bears to be killed.

So we will sell tags to hunters, like a limited amount of tags until 15 bears are killed. And that's just arbitrary numbers. But I wonder if that's something that like,

Andrew Muntz: we need to get a biologist on and talk about that because I think it's a great question. I know back in the day, they were very, I don't know, endangered isn't the right word.

Threatened species or protected or whatever. I think they've been like

Paul Campbell: ex, what is it? Extinct extricated in the state of Ohio for, I. For a lot of years they are back now and making an impact on other wildlife populations. You don't wanna wipe 'em out like it's [00:09:00] and we bad Mark and talk on

Tim Zelenka: they talk about how, is state

Paul Campbell: agency, biologists and biologists in general, you have to manage for all wildlife.

You can't just pick one species. It's an ecosystem. And I get that. I understand that. But at what point is there

Tim Zelenka: two too many damn bobcats?

Andrew Muntz: How do you decide, and yeah. A lot of the surrounding states have seasons for 'em. I think Con Kentucky and Missouri do, obviously Missouri's not right next door, but and where I'm at, where I'm seeing 'em all I know a guy who lives within a half mile there that raises turkeys, pigs, chickens, all that kind of fun homestead life stuff.

He's had. Numerous encounters of those things. Getting in there and swiping turkeys off him and swiping chickens. Taking down his livestock. So that's where I think the balance of letting Mother Nature do her thing. And then civilization and, I don't know, man, that's a tricky, trippy, tricky topic there.

Paul Campbell: I'm too dumb for that stuff. We're gonna stay away from that.

Andrew Muntz: Yes. But mid, we'll talk about [00:10:00] mid Midwest. It's gun work. Lemme get Ohio Outdoors. Five. Save you 5%.

Paul Campbell: We got way off the top right there. Yeah. Mid Midwest county, Ohio Outdoors. Five. Save yourself 5%. Thank you also to art dear

They got they got a sale. Come on. Something right now going on, man. I'll tell you what, you got that trace system. I haven't got that yet. I'm probably not gonna get it for Turkey season. But yeah. I'll tell you what I've been real happy with the gear that I've. I've had this

Andrew Muntz: here. So yeah, if we go, I might bring that with us this week.

If we go, when we go up do a little Turkey hunting, we'll see if it's warm enough.

Paul Campbell: Monk himself,

Andrew Muntz: shout hunt to Johnny Words. Thank you, Johnny. Thank you Johnny. Oh man. But we'll see. Let, I gotta talk about that cuz I don't wanna jump the gun on anything. Let's see how that goes and then we'll go

Paul Campbell: from there.

Hit them. We'll just, we'll hit 'em with the Harry Potter

Tim Zelenka: magic wand slash Turkey

Paul Campbell: striker. IUs

Andrew Muntz: Gobbler is

Paul Campbell: pray to. I got two more states. I'm hunting. I'm leaving. I'm, I got a New York hunt and a PA hunt

Tim Zelenka: going down. I am, I'm chopping at the pit kill

Paul Campbell: something, man. [00:11:00] What you call, and I've

Andrew Muntz: been Turkey hunting.

You need to call it Mitch over there and pa I think he took down two birds over

Paul Campbell: there. Yeah. Mitch is a killer man. PR freak. PR Mitch. The man, I put a roof on his house. I texted him the other day, I was like, is this Turkey killer Mitchell shirt? He's oh my God. That's cool, man. Oh yes. I hear, we've talked about it.

The harvest numbers seem good. There's a lot of I think for Turkey hunters in the state of Ohio, I think there's a lot to be optimistic about going forward.

Andrew Muntz: All right. We'll get to those in a second. I just got the updated ones today. We'll get you 'em. All right.

So quick news from around the state. When did we do this last? All right, let's start. I don't even know. I'm gonna read, I'm gonna do it like I did last week cuz I got a few here. Pima State Park inducted into Old Growth Forest Network. Odn r what is that? Ohio For more information. There's been a hatch of the spotted lantern fly observed in Cincinnati.

This is not on OD and R'S website. I mean it [00:12:00] might be, but this is, I got it from Ohio State Buckeye Yard Garden. But this is one of those bugs that you guys gotta keep an eye out for. It's similar to the emerald ash bo, and if you do anything with trees, you know that how much of a pain in the butt that was.

So look up spotted lantern fly and they're pretty and devastating at the same time. So we need to make sure we try to. Keep them at bay. Anchors away at Mosquito Lake State Park. They're building a new marina. A hundred acres of OD and r Woodlands join, oh wait, the Ohio Old Growth Force. I already got that one done.

And real quick, oh shoot. Talk about art. Did you black out on me? No, I'm here. Okay. Archery, hike archery. Everybody. Justin, putting this on again this year. 3D shoot down in the Hoing Hills. July 7th and ninth. So Friday, Saturday, Sunday from 10 to [00:13:00] six. Friday, Saturday's eight to five. Sunday's eight to 4 25.

3D targets through the hills. It's like a legit hike. It's a lot of fun. Justin puts on a great thing. There was raffles and drawings and stuff like that. If you're interested, archery and he's got all the information you can register on there. And then Paul, do you have the information about that BHA event?

Paul Campbell: Yes. Muster in the marsh is going to be, hold on. It's gonna be July. 21st through the 23rd. I'm looking for my email. I should had this pulled up. I looked at it this morning. I'm like, ah. Okay. All right. Here we go. Mustard. And the Marsh 2023. And conservation dinner. The tickets are live, so you can go to backcountry., backcountry Click on muster tickets. You'll be able to get in there. So you do have to, you have to sign up for it. But Friday night there's a muster conservation dinner hosted by the [00:14:00] folks there at B h A. There's a really cool restaurant outta the Cleveland area that's gonna come in.

It's a wild game dinner. That's gonna be really neat. So sign up for that. You've got the so there's camping education, exciting activities for the family's, gonna be a pretty cool family event. Raffles, auctions, live music, storytelling. We're gonna do a podcast with Ryan Cal Callahan from Meat Eater.

Cal was a really instrumental figure there in, in B h A and everything that they do. Really cool event going on there. So yeah, click on your tickets. It's the yeah, it's 21st through the 23rd in. Connet, how do you say that? Connet? We're going with Connet, C O N E A U T I promise.

I will learn to pronounce that by July 21st. So starts at 5:00 PM Real cool. Good old weekend of of fun. So check that out. Back picture country

Andrew Muntz: I just pictured us stopping at gas station. You pull in. Just be like, Can you explain to me how to pronounce the town I'm in when we get there?


Paul Campbell: be great. I was in Lebanon, [00:15:00] Ohio one time, and I said that at a gas station, and the guy it's not Lebanon, it's Leban. And I'm like I'm pretty sure it's Lebanon. And he's do you live here? I'm like no. He's it's Leban, sir. I don't, I still don't know to this day if it's Lebanon or Leban, so someone please, Fill me in.

But yeah, man, this is gonna be a, this is gonna be a big event. There's gonna be thousands of people there. We're gonna have a good old time, man. It's gonna be a lot of fun. So absolutely. Get Jewel some tickets. Yeah. Cleveland Field Kitchen. That who, that is who is providing the dinner for the the WA game dinner.

That's gonna be pretty, pretty neat. So they got some cool stuff going on, and it's gonna be a lot of fun.

Andrew Muntz: All righty. Here we go. The Ohio's Wild Turkey season results through Sunday, May 7th. So as of May 7th, Ohio, wild Turkey hunters have checked 12,755 birds. Let's see through this. Give that to me again.

[00:16:00] 12,755.

Paul Campbell: Wow. So nothing that second week, real quiet. You have to think, dude, the weather last week was

Tim Zelenka: piss, or it was awful

Paul Campbell: bad. It was bad. I can't remember. And that kept a lot of people out of the woods, for sure.

Andrew Muntz: Yeah. All right. So last year hunters harvested 9,353 turkeys over the same time period. So we're up what, almost over 3000 from last year.

Yeah. The three

Paul Campbell: year we've ec clip,

Tim Zelenka: we've almost equaled last year's

Paul Campbell: harvest

Andrew Muntz: totals. I think we're over it. I don't have that number here. I thought it was like 11 something. Yeah, so if we're at 12, 7, 5, 5 we're over. But let's see, three year average fri turkeys checked through this point in the season is 11,784 birds.

So you're ahead of the average a three year average. That's

Paul Campbell: interesting. I talked to Mark and he's yeah, those p numbers a couple years ago must have been accurate. So we've had those historic pulp hatches, man. They're, you're seeing it [00:17:00]

Andrew Muntz: so well, and here's before we get to the top 10 counties the o, the Division of Wildlife has issued 48,231 spring Turkey permits.

So I, I think you and I are talking about this, but how many permits are sold? From a economic impact of the hunting community. But so close to 50,000, that's pretty, that's not bad. Not bad, but yeah. How much deer gets up to like close to 300, I think. Yeah, that's pretty wild. So anyways now you can also take multiple deers, so that might be a big part of it.

Top 10 counties. Paul, you ready? Land on me. Number 10, Jefferson. Nine, gk, eight, Adams, seven, megs, six. Kho five, Belmont. Four is Monroe. The top three man, we are within [00:18:00] 12. Har checked turkeys in these three counties. So number

Paul Campbell: three. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna say Ashtabula

Tim Zelenka: has now made an entrance into the top 10.

Okay. Muskingham

Paul Campbell: Ash. Tuscarora.

Andrew Muntz: Yeah. You got two out. Two outta three ain't bad. Isn't that what Meatloaf said? The number three is Tuscarora 356, birds. Number two is Galea with 365, and number one is Muskingum with 360 8. All right, so Kalia, you got three birds to tie that, take that top spot. Four.

Four to take it. Three to tie. Tu, you're not far away.

Paul Campbell: We're gonna, are we gonna award an a Turkey champion belt to the first person that reaches out to us from that particular county? We should say we offered a trophy for Kak County. No one from Kock County. No one reached out to US State Champs.

State champs,

Tim Zelenka: weren't, we weren't [00:19:00] really

Paul Campbell: being serious about it, but we should do that first person to reach out to us from that is a resident

Tim Zelenka: and killed a

Paul Campbell: Turkey in Muca County. So you have to wear the champs at the end of the year,

Andrew Muntz: prove your residency, get you, and get you something. That would be sweet though, if we did that every season.

Be like the state champ, and get, Tuscarora shirts or whatever, have little outline of the county.

Paul Campbell: That would be cool, man. I like that. Did we just come up with a plan? Did we just come up with some cool

Andrew Muntz: ones? We might have now. We just had to follow through. Heard

Paul Campbell: it here first on the oh two podcast.

So anyway, what else we got? We got anything? I'm gonna admit one thing before we end the show. I'm not real happy about it, Andrew. I'm really upset about it. I'm looking forward to shooting my bow man. I don't like that. I don't like that feeling.

Andrew Muntz: Little man. There you go. Little man says to me that, Hey, dad, when you're done with your project, can you can we shoot the bow?

I'm like, hell yes. Dad's got working on this project outside. As soon as it's done, you can bet your ass we're gonna be out there shooting that bow.

Paul Campbell: But big yawn. What a day. Big. What a kid. What a time to be alive, man. Time to be a father. [00:20:00] Good stuff. Good stuff.

Andrew Muntz: All right I think that's all we got for this week.

Oh, so this week's show, we've got the adjustable If you haven't seen this, it's pretty sweet. It's a bow site that you can mount onto your bow and you're using a red dot. And I think one of the coolest parts that was very mind blowing, the more I thought about it, is you don't have a peep site and you don't have a nose button or a kisser button or anything like that.

It was interesting. It was very interesting. And these guys are based outta Michigan. We've got Abby and Tim. They give us the rundown of the product and how it works and why it's beneficial and the ins and outs of it. So she gives us their website, oh man, I should lie, add this up.

But it's a red adjustable red dot adjustable red

Paul Campbell: com. Yeah. You

Andrew Muntz: can't hear this Turkey call? No, man. I think Zoom's knocking it out. Paul's sitting here trying to play his pot call for us, but it's just not coming through.

Paul Campbell: It's really hard cause I'm like playing it like at a weird angle to get it right up.

You can't hear that at all.[00:21:00]

That's crazy. Nothing. It's blocking it out. Zoom hates the sound of a hin Turkey.

Andrew Muntz: Zoom hates you. Paul. Maybe we have to use the other program that might have been the one that let it go through the other last time we were on when I heard you playing

Paul Campbell: it, but. Yeah, that was stream air.

All right. Thanks for listening to the show. We really appreciate you guys. You can find us on Instagram v2 dot podcast. You can find us on Go Wild oh two podcast, the oh two Appreciate

Andrew Muntz: you guys listening. Take care everybody.

Okay. And tonight Paul and Andrew are here. We've got Abby and Tim from the a adjust adjustable red dot Paul, it's starting already. Take two. Take two. No, it's all right. We'll roll with it. How are you guys doing tonight? Good, how are you? We're doing good. Good. Okay. So we were just talking you guys have this adjustable as I don't know, is this a hobby, a part-time deal, but your real [00:22:00] passion or interest is blueberries.

Or is that all together or, I think it

Paul Campbell: all mixes together.

Tim Zelenka: Which one do we, which one do we, I dunno if you say like more or hate less.

Andrew Muntz: But is now is blueberry season. I told you we're gonna talk about this cuz I'm just fascinated, but. Right now

Paul Campbell: we're just doing


Tim Zelenka: lot more cultural stuff, a little bit, some fertilizer herbicide stuff, fungicide things.

And as we, we don't really start harvesting till from middle of July till end of August.

Andrew Muntz: But the seeds or the fruit set is important at this time of the year. Where are you guys located?

Tim Zelenka: The west side of Michigan, southwest Michigan. Right along

Andrew Muntz: along the lake. Okay.

So one of the things in blueberry world I know, is that the pH has to be really low, right? So do you guys have good acidic soil up there?

Tim Zelenka: Yeah, for the most part. We want that 4.55, tra crazy low sandy loam.

Andrew Muntz: That's

Tim Zelenka: great, man. No. So we struggle with very low organic matter. Okay. But.


Andrew Muntz: finding that balance. So one of the problems in central Ohio is that our [00:23:00] phs, it's not uncommon to find an eight. And so anybody who wants to try to grow, whether it's blueberries or roed, azaleas, anything, acid loving doesn't happen. Not with a lot of intervention. And most of the time it's like pissing in the ocean, to be honest with you, because of the.

Limestone that we sit on. Whatever. All right. We're di we're doff that Paul, we can go out, we can go out into hunting now. Sorry.

Paul Campbell: No, it's all good, man. I like plants. I've killed every blueberry. I actually just ran over a blueberry plant with my mower the other day. I'm just like, you know what?

You've been here for three years. I'm gonna put you outta your misery. They don't been four blueberries. They don't do anything. They just sit

Andrew Muntz: there.

Tim Zelenka: Just can't get 'em happy. Yeah, just like you said, you're even get close to that. Anything above five fives. It's just yellow and it sits there. It won't even grow.

Learn something every

Paul Campbell: day. That's the problem,

Andrew Muntz: horticultural fact of the

Paul Campbell: day. So a r d give us a rundown of what adjustable

Tim Zelenka: Basically we take a red dot and we make the mount to put it on a boat. It's nothing [00:24:00] new to us other than the adjustable mount is new, but we've been shooting a red dot for 30 years.

Hunter? Both I have, Abby hasn't, not old enough, but it's a red dot

Paul Campbell: on a long bow compound Bow

Tim Zelenka: or on a compound. Okay. Yeah. Since probably, late eighties, 1990, right in there, that's when we started shooting the red down on boat. So now what

Paul Campbell: was what drove you to do that?

Tim Zelenka: We did it, it was Claude Paulton started it, he used to he owned Onida bows and so he's a, big figure in Michigan.

But he was one of the first to put the red dot on the bow and make it work really well. It's just the mount he had was a fixed mount, so he cited it in at 20 yards. That's what you got. If you wanna shoot further, you'd set the gap, shoot a little bit. And so to make the mount adjustable. So your anchor point never changed, was a big thing.

Boom. That's the, that's how the whole thing

Paul Campbell: revolves around. Yeah. How do you put a red

Tim Zelenka: [00:25:00] dot on it and really make it work? What's the quote,

Paul Campbell: Andrew? Is it necessity breeds

Tim Zelenka: innovation? Or is it innovation

Paul Campbell: breed necessity, which help me out here.

Andrew Muntz: Sure. It is tonight.

Paul Campbell: Yeah, there you go.

I I'm I'm looking at it and. So for people. I don't do a lot of bow hunting. I dabble. So I'm on your website, learn how it works. Consistent anchor point. No, peep All things that I struggle with. I've got one of those nose buttons.

Tim Zelenka: Yeah. And the poke your, the tip of your nose.

Paul Campbell: The peep site.

I'm constantly like moving that thing with my nose if it twists around or fiddling with that. So that's really interesting. So the no peep. And the consistent anchor point. So the just, it doesn't move, right? It's just in the site and you've gotta have your head in the right position to see the red dot.

Is that the consistent

Tim Zelenka: anchor point or, yeah. Yeah. Because how a is, it's not like a scope where there's a radical sitting in the middle of that tube. It's a reflection off the piece of glass. So as [00:26:00] soon as you change the angle of the, how you're looking at the tube, because either you're. You're either turning this, the tube itself, or you're moving your head.

Now you can't see the dot. So that's why we don't need the peep, because the only way to see look straight at it. As soon as our form gets funky, it either is way off or we just don't see it.

Andrew Muntz: So in a sense, it's you talk about form, I think on the website I was reading about it as well.

This forces you to have. A great shot, right? There's none of this kind of Hail Mary, anything like that. You have to be in the perfect spot every time, and it should generally give you a more consistent result, right?

Paul Campbell: For the

Tim Zelenka: most part. Obviously it's archery, there's still things we can mess up, but once you have that muscle memory where we're doing things exactly the same, the dot will just be there all the time. We have to, there's just, there's a couple [00:27:00] techniques as far as finding the dot, how we do it, and one of the one thing is we're not moving our head around to find the dot, we're always, we can't torque the bow.

But, that's key. If you're twisting the riser at all, you're gonna change the angle of this tube. And then that's when you're not gonna see the dot.

Andrew Muntz: What happens when you get buck fever and you start shaking violently like some of us do? Asking for a friend,

Tim Zelenka: I guess you gotta fix that. Yeah.

It it really, once you start to, to shoot it, it's totally different from shooting a peep and a pin, because we're not looking through the string anymore. We're not trying to get our eye behind the string, tilt our head, touch our string to our nose. All those little things that you maybe have a, how you do things, string to our, the tip of our nose or f fleshing the corner of your mouth out.

We don't really care about those things. We don't even try to do it. We just focus on the target and let that dot come into your vision. If anyone was doing any instructing [00:28:00] with a pistol, it'd be the exact same way. That's how you do it on a boat. My

Paul Campbell: mind faster target. Oh,

Andrew Muntz: go ahead. My mind's blown right now.

Just this idea, like it's that constant, like Paul was saying, you gotta get your nose, gotta get your eye. To not have to do that anymore would be

Paul Campbell: interesting. I'm, I'm sold with that. Like you just pull it up and fly the red dot. That sounds

Tim Zelenka: it probably the, so the biggest thing are the guys who are, buying and are, Guys probably from 45 on up where you need reading glasses and you can't see, things up close anymore because the red dot looks like it's on the target.

That's where our eyes focus. So it's always clear, we're not trying to focus on something at arms length and at a target that's 20, 30 yards away. We just focus on a target. I just bought my

Paul Campbell: first pair of reading glasses a couple weeks ago, Tim, and I'm only 40. So I think that 45, I'm really gonna be in trouble faster target acquisition talk, talk about that.

That, I would imagine [00:29:00] that takes away some of the target panic that bo a lot of bow hunters deal with because you're trying to, get that peep lined up and you're looking at the target with the other eye. And if you're just, you've really simp it sounds like you've simplified the process of target acquisition.

Tim Zelenka: It's just the key is focusing on the target and you're not really even thinking about, the dod, you're not looking through a tube or anything. You're just leaving both eyes open and just look at the target. And once you do that, when you draw back, because we're already offsetting the site to the, if you're a right-hander, it would be to the left, to the string.

The dot just comes into our vision and. We don't have those things in the back of our mind. I've gotta do this and center this and make sure my peeps clear, I guess centered up with our housing or all those little things. We're just not thinking about that even It's just center the dot.

Andrew Muntz: So when it comes to citing this thing in, can you talk us through that process? And I guess, cuz essentially you have a single pin,[00:30:00] it's you've got it adjustable so you can get to different ranges, but. I don't know. Can you just walk through a little bit of that, how that you guys go about that?

Yeah, so this is gonna be your up and down, cause this changes like the angle here. I don't know if you can see that. Good? Yeah. Yeah. And then your left and right is gonna be the windage, which is just kinda like on a gun instead of up and down. It's not your left and right cause you turn this site 90 degrees cuz otherwise you'd have all these knobs hitting the riser.

Okay. So I'll let you go more. I think that's

Tim Zelenka: the basics there. Yeah. The sighting in stuff. We're actually, we're not ever touching the turrets on the site. We're just change. If we're, if we were shooting high, we're gonna move the front of the site up. We're changing the, the angle of the site.

That's our elevation. And the way a inside of the tube, the, like I said earlier, there is no radical just sitting in there liking a scope. There's another tube. Inside of this tube, when you adjust this windage, you're changing the angle of that tube [00:31:00] inside there. And when you do that, the only way to get the, to look through it centered again, is to change the angle and it's very slight.

So probably the best way to think of it is if you had a pistol in your hand with a paper towel tube sitting on top of it. And you twisted your hand to the left. You could go see straight through that tube again if we moved our head over, but we'd still be pointing left. The only way to get the tube straight again is to move your hand straight.

And when, I don't know if that makes sense or not, but when you're straight, you're not torquing the bow, your arrow, when we torque the bow, now our arrow starts to point the opposite direction and that's what gives us our punky left and right flights.

Andrew Muntz: So do you set the site up for 20 yards to start and then from there, if you have a deer at 30

Tim Zelenka: Yeah we would set it up.

I don't know if you can see this. Yeah, so I can see this little. [00:32:00]

Andrew Muntz: Little tick marks there. So they maybe set the top end at 21 click. Maybe you'll get at 25, 30, 35. Just kinda depends on weight of the arrow, speed of the bow. But if you're shooting like 70 pounds, 500 grain arrow, every click is about five yards.

Paul Campbell: Oh, wow. Okay. So that's actually that's a pretty quick, fast adjustment to if you're

Tim Zelenka: in a tree stand. Yeah. I know For most Midwest hunters, you're probably not touching the site much under 30 yards, eh? Anyway, because you're probably gonna cite it in at yeah. 20 to 25 and maybe you've gotta give it one click at tw at 30.

But you're not messing with it very much.

Andrew Muntz: Yeah. No site tapes or anything like that.

Tim Zelenka: I don't know if we've done, Hey, that's one thing.

Andrew Muntz: We do have one on the website. I could pull up and show you guys on the screen, but you could put one, we have it where you can tape it onto your bow, so we just want it a little bigger so it's easier to see.

Not like really tiny Right on there. Cause I think that it's hard to read. I know some guys take like nail polish and they [00:33:00] color their marks that are important to them, so yeah, that's

Tim Zelenka: enough. We do make a little bigger tape and you tape it to your bow that says, okay, zero 20 yards 1 25. So it'd be one mean, one click is 25.

Two clicks is 30. So I don't know if you can hear it, but I'll try to make it noisy. But there's de tens, there's four de tens into this mount. So that's what gives us the clicks. That's what's holding the site up on the

Andrew Muntz: bracket. So is this something that you could take out west and shoot at distance? If you were going for an elk or something and you had 67 Yeah, you're

Tim Zelenka: shooting that, 500, 550 grain arrow.

You're probably gonna get in 70, 65, 70 pounds, you're gonna get to 70 yards ish, five yards one way or the other. If you're shooting a lighter setup, you know you're gonna get a lot further. When we shoot tack when we're shooting a light arrow, then maybe we'll cite in at 40 yards, so then we can get out to over a hundred.[00:34:00]

Andrew Muntz: Hear that Paul, when you go to shoot your elk next time at 130 yards. It was a, it

Paul Campbell: was not an actual elk

Andrew Muntz: over, over a pond. It was, yes, it

Paul Campbell: was at a 3D shoot. I shot at a beed elk. On a real elk, you're gonna

Tim Zelenka: shoot elk at a hundred yards. That's not true.

Andrew Muntz: Oh, that was great. You're attack in June

Tim Zelenka: here in Michigan.

Yeah, probably about a month away. We've got, I got a practice.

Paul Campbell: Yeah. Hey, you better? Yeah. I've never done a tech to do. Yeah. I've never done a tech event. Sounds sounds like a good time. One of the, one of the things that, talk about getting my first reading, pair of reading glasses, that's a real thing.

My I've had, I have terrible eyes, I have contacts

Tim Zelenka: glasses, and I've noticed, I,

Paul Campbell: if I have a three pen, three pen sight and in low light, those dang pens, they just blur together in some conditions. When I look through that peep site, I see three of them together.

If they're, lit up real well. So I like that this is an option for people as they age, that they still have and, their eyes aren't as good as they used to be. They're still something [00:35:00] that can make you an efficient killer in the woods and efficient, and archery target competition.

So that's really neat. That's a really neat aspect of this.

Andrew Muntz: Okay, so I'm gonna ask some of the dumb questions because when I get up in the tree, I have a lot of things I worry about. You just go out and turn this thing on to start when you're out there, or is it something you wait for the, like the deer to come in, click it on.

Tim Zelenka: I'll turn it on either when I leave the truck, or, yeah, the whole time you're just leaving it on. And if you were leaving it on every, let's see, three to four hours every time you went out to hunt. And shutting it off when you come back, it's gonna last a couple years. That battery, the important

Andrew Muntz: part is remembering to shut it off when you come back.

Yeah. You just tape an extra battery for that one time that

Tim Zelenka: happens. Yeah. We just usually tape a battery to our riser, so we always have a spare. But yeah, it, even if you did that, you'd have to not come back and hunt for several weeks. If you left it on, came back the next day and it, it would never just go all of a sudden, oh, it's dead.

A, [00:36:00] some. V cell batteries or something,

Andrew Muntz: what kind of battery does it

Tim Zelenka: take? It's a 2032, just like you'd use in a key fob. Okay. And it's only powering a tiny l e d light, so it really, la they last a long time. Okay.

Andrew Muntz: If, is this count? I'm sure as an electronic device.

So is that Pope and Young that doesn't let you use electronic sites and stuff? Is that.

Tim Zelenka: Yeah, you have to put your buck in Bo and Crockett. Okay. Gotcha.

Andrew Muntz: Is there any other legality things along these lines? I'm just asking, oh, you've got Western

Tim Zelenka: states that, there's about five or six of 'em that don't allow any electronics on a bow.

Okay. Which is a whole nother discussion that we can have. But other than that, there isn't any other states. Most of the states classified as as long as it doesn't project a beam and it's not magnified. Makes sense. That's our,

Andrew Muntz: I was looking at from the purchasing side of things, you guys are doing the mounts, right?

That's your thing, but you've got [00:37:00] different brands of the Red dot available and the different packages. Do you wanna cover a little bit of that?

Tim Zelenka: Yeah, so we use Ultra Dots. Ultra dot Citron makes one. It's a little bit short, but there's works also, we like this longer tube style Red dot.

That's what we've always used. They, it's super durable. Helps you center up. Much quicker. But if you have a red dot, then we make a, like a, like this, a pi tinny rail. As long as it doesn't sit up too high. And it doesn't like the on off stuff has, it really has to be on the side away from the riser.

It also gets weird to to turn it on, turn it off. But we're in the process of, getting our own we don't have to rely on, another company. But Ultra Dots are a competition pistol site, so they really work well. You can drop these things, beat 'em up, and they just don't fail.

Now this will fit on any bow, right? [00:38:00] Yep. We do. What we do is depends on the thickness of the riser. We change the length of the ring because we always want the string come right about here on, on the edge of the glass. So if you have a Matthews big, thick riser, then we use a longer ring, and then we make a this little bracket, like this is our hoit bracket.

With a hoit, we have to clear that the bridge on the back of the riser. So we need to move the mounting holes on the riser back a little bit. That's what that's for, but it was pretty much no bow, so we can't

Andrew Muntz: stick it on you on your website. You guys have a very nice breakdown of, find your bow, make and model, and then it tells you which one that you you want to go with, right?

Tim Zelenka: Yeah. Most of the stuff's on there, every now and then there's some we don't, but we call everybody. That orders and wanna know what bow they have. You have any questions? Did you really order the right rings for your bow? Sometimes somebody has just a shooting style where [00:39:00] they're, they've been shooting a peep and pin for 30 years, so they're used to that really tight anchor point.

So if that's the case, then we'll sh and if they want, we'll shorten the ring up a little bit and put the red dot closer to the string, and then they can mimic that. That anchor they had before, because it isn't gonna be exactly the same, you can get it pretty close.

Andrew Muntz: And how difficult is the installation?

Probably not pretty easy for you. Probably. I have the installation video. They're on YouTube and all of them are under five minutes. Yeah. So it's pretty

Tim Zelenka: easy. Just pivot. It's pretty simple. We've got come up with some really good things. It's basically bolting it on four screws. But just how to initially get started and make sure that you're not needing a shim or your bow is set up properly.

That we don't have some issue somewhere else, but no, anybody can do it. And if they don't want to do it You can send us the bow and we'll do it for you for 50 bucks and that includes shipping your bow [00:40:00] back. So we'll mount it up, site it in and send it back. There you go. That's

Paul Campbell: pretty cool.


Andrew Muntz: That'll take, that'll make my life easier cuz I'm, that's usually I have to do everything twice. It never just goes on the first time. It has to be done.

Tim Zelenka: Yeah. That's couple times. But we've walked a lot of people through on Whether you gotta

Andrew Muntz: send videos and show

Tim Zelenka: people how Yeah. Send 'em a video, just FaceTime 'em and so it's not bad.


Paul Campbell: No, it's pretty cool. It's a neat, it's a neat system. Yeah. I'm very intrigued. I think it's, I think there's a ton of people that could benefit with something like that. It seems

Tim Zelenka: very user friendly. So how long does it take to, people to adjust to it? Is it one of those things you pick it up the first time you're just, you're sold.

It depends on, it's that easy. Okay. The better form guys have, the easier it is. Yeah. Because I think that's the, we screwed, Paul, we're screwed. If a guy was having issues prior to, and he was shooting a people and opinion, he had some form stuff, he's [00:41:00] still gonna have some form issues, and so that's probably the, It's the biggest struggle, but I think with changing ring sizes and we've got a little video out that kind of, that shows a couple things. Oh yeah. There are four, Yeah. Are four things where our string has to be in our rest string along the side of the site.

And that helps clarify that you did it right. That you did everything right. And because if you did it all right, and now you draw back and you go, I can't see the do, then we know. It's form. It's a form issue. So I didn't get it going back and forth with lots of archery shops for them to be, talking about form

Andrew Muntz: stuff.

I didn't make it to that video. I was Abby, were you the one that shot the Kansas buck? One my sister did. I videoed it. Oh, that was, I was ex, I got real excited. Paul's over here geeking over turkeys this time of the year and I'm sitting there watching the Kansas bucket and all excited. So I need to, I'm trying to get a Turkey with my bow this year and it's a lot harder than [00:42:00] I'm realizing

Tim Zelenka: it to be.

We had 'em come in the other day just, first we weren't paying attention quite right. Yeah. One guy to jump on us. So then the next day, the, I think it was probably the same money came right back and Abby Shank it. Yeah,

Andrew Muntz: I got nervous. This was in the hole, in the ground. I was like, not, it was not ideal.

Paul Campbell: There you go. Yeah, they're fun. They're fun to shoot. It's even harder with with archery equipment in your hands, that's for sure.

Tim Zelenka: Yeah, it wouldn't have been a cake walk with a gun, so there you go.

Paul Campbell: Good deal. So where where can people find you and your company on social media? And on the internet.

Tim Zelenka: Yeah, so our websites to adjustable

Andrew Muntz: com, all of our social media handles on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok, or adjustable Red Dot, so you can find us there. Yeah, you can always shoot us an email just or if you own our website or numbers on there, you always can

Tim Zelenka: call us. Yeah, let's call that.

Yeah. Very

Paul Campbell: good. Thank you so much for your time. This is a really neat product. I hope people take a look at it. Isn't super cool. Absolutely. Yes, Tim Abbey. Thanks. Thanks for coming on the show.[00:43:00]