Beau Martonik B.S. Session

Fellow outdoor podcaster and whitetail hunting nut, Beau Martonik joins Dan this week for a fun B.S. Session. Like Dan, Beau has been podcasting for several year and has been able to talk with some of the best deer hunters from across the entire country. On top of that, Beau himself is an experienced big woods bowhunter who throws a ton of time and energy into scouting each year. Beau feels that the more time you put into understanding your hunting properties during the off-season, the closer you will get to achieving your deer hunting goals.

In this episode, we discuss scouting the when, where, and why of the land that you hunt. Beau talks about how long it takes for him to get comfortable on a new piece of hunting property, in order to truly understand deer behavior and deer movement on any given landscape. Off-season scouting content at its finest, enjoy!

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Mike Jack, one, two. Welcome to the Nine Finger Chronicles. My name's Dan Johnson. I'm your. And today we have fellow podcaster, Bomar tonic on, and this podcast revolves around what's happening [00:01:00] right now. We talk scouting, we talk how his season went. We dive into the podcasting. Insight that he has been able to acquire over, the course of his podcast as well.

And I throw my 2 cents in a lot. Really, a lot of it is scouting heavy content along with. How he, how and when he feels comfortable on a new property and how long that takes. So it's a really good episode, man. I know that you're gonna enjoy it. If you like listening to guys who are fairly successful, go out and explain how they do it.

You're gonna love this episode again, heavy in the scouting talk and how that translates to a successful hunting season. And if you don't know Bo he is a big wood style hunter. He's hunting clear cuts, he's hunting heavy terrain and a little, most different than I guess a little bit different than what I do here in the timber eggs split in [00:02:00] Iowa.

And just love talking to guys who can. What they do and how they do it. And that's why Beau is good at, his podcast and why he's a guest on this podcast. Really good episode today. We got, we do have a couple of housekeeping things that I need to talk to you guys about. It's almost Turkey season and although the Sportsman's Empire really hasn't been a heavy into the Turkey hunting content, we are about to get real heavy in the Turkey hunting content with a couple, potentially three.

I can't talk about the third one quite yet. But I will talk about the two that are guaranteed here. And so recently we just launched a podcast called the How to Hunt Turkey podcast. And Paul Campbell from the Ohio Outdoors Podcast is the host and producer of that podcast. And I'll tell you this, man, it's really good.

He actually works for the N [00:03:00] wtf. So he's got a lot of connections with guys within that community. And he's putting out some really good Turkey hunting content, Turkey themed content, and that's already up. So if you head all over to the Sportsman's Empire podcast network, sportsman's empire.com, you can check out all the episodes, you can go to iTunes, you can go to Spotify, wherever you download your podcasts, that will be available.

And then second on the list, my man, Parker McDonald. From the Southern Ground Hunting Podcast, ha is launching this Friday will be episode number one, will be launched and let's see, Friday, today's the 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, I believe it's the 17th of this month. Here in February, Parker's gonna launch episode number one of the limb Hanger Turkey hunting podcast.

Again very, pretty much all Turkey hunting content on that podcast. And he's gonna be interviewing guys himself included, who are [00:04:00] just tore up with Turkey hunting. And because of this, like I'm starting to get fired up about Turkey hunting now that these guys are putting out some really good content, and I typically don't get too fired up about Turkey hunting.

Now, Parker is gonna be interviewing guys that he knows in his inner circle that are also really good and really experienced in Turkey hunting. So if you if you're a Turkey hunting nut, or if you wanna learn more about. Turkey hunting in general. Be sure to check out the Limb Hanger Podcast and the How to Hunt Turkey podcast.

All of the, that content, you can listen to 'em as an individual or you can go to the Sportsman's Empire Turkey hunting stand feed where all the Turkey hunting content will all gather those two podcasts included, including all of the other Turkey hunting content that the Sportsman's Empire puts out this spring.

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I still have to wait on a couple draws if I can hunt Kansas this year. But if I get drawn for Kansas, then I think while I'm down there, I'm also gonna try to hunt Oklahoma. And I really think that it's gonna be a fun white tail heavy fall for me. I'm gonna try to hunt Oklahoma for whitetails. I'm gonna try to hunt Kansas for whitetails, obviously Iowa, and then I might get out west one time for a for a mule deer hunt.

But other than that, I don't I think this year is gonna be a heavy a heavy whitetail running gun. Type of season, and I'm gonna be running and gunning with tethered, right? Last year, I, my, my whitetail season happened so fast. I was tagged out really quick, so I didn't get to spend as much time in it tethered as I'd like.

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Fish and wildlife.org. Go check it out. All right. 10 minute intro, we're done. Let's get into today's BS session. I'm just gonna call it a BS session with fellow podcaster and whitetail nut bo Marton. 3, 2, 1. All right on the show with me today, Mr. Bomar. Bo. What's up man? 

[00:10:31] Beau Martonik: What's going on, Dan? Long time, no talk.

How 

[00:10:33] Dan Johnson: have you been? It's been a while, man, I think. I think you've only been on this show like one other time. Maybe. It's been a long time ago though. Yeah. 

[00:10:43] Beau Martonik: Yeah. I think it, it's been at least two or three years. If I'm remember, I don't know. It seems like the years are kinda starting to blur together a little bit in the podcast journeys.

We both are doing that and it's crazy that how fast, I guess time passes with all 

[00:10:58] Dan Johnson: that. Yeah.[00:11:00] The crazy thing about this is I don't how many episodes have you put out that you know of? Do you have that one? 286. Okay. 286. All right. And I put out multiple shows a week, so I've done over 700.

And what is crazy about even, your number, my number doesn't matter. It is, it's the amount of people that you. . And at the same time, it's the amount of people that you forget. And it's embarrassing sometimes because I went to where was I at? It was either the ATA show or it was the Iowa Deer Classic.

And a guy came up to me, he's Dan, man, hey, how you doing, man? I'm just like, oh, hey, how you doing? He's Hey he starts talking to me about all these things and I'm just like, Hey, man, I apologize. What's your name? He's oh, you had me on your podcast like four years ago? And I was like okay.

I don't remember, and I apologize for that, it is what it is. 

[00:11:57] Beau Martonik: Yeah. Yeah. And it happens when you're talking [00:12:00] to so many different people all the time, and it's like not, it's not trying to be rude at all. It's not like that person's right. A less important. It's just really difficult to keep up with everybody when you're talking to a lot of people at one time.

I 

[00:12:12] Dan Johnson: can't even keep track of my own kids half the time, , so don't be offended if I forget about you. Yep. How is everything going in the podcast game for you guys? 

[00:12:23] Beau Martonik: Good. Yeah, everything's going well. Yeah, I've been doing it now for going on five years. Coming up here in, in July, I'll be five years and almost one year of doing it, putting full-time effort into it.

So it's been good. It's been a learning, learning thing, that's for sure. But it's been fun to see the podcast morph through time and kinda as my interests change and as things change. Just how it I don't know if maybe matures is the right word for it or not, but how it changes, yeah, that's 

[00:12:52] Dan Johnson: a fact, man. And the whole podcast game as a whole too, I think, cuz when I first started [00:13:00] and when did you start? 

[00:13:02] Beau Martonik: It would've been my first episode went out July 1st, 2018. Okay. 

[00:13:07] Dan Johnson: All right. So around that time, I started in 2014 and then 20, yeah, somewhere around 20 14, 20 15. And in 2018, there's, that was when I would call the ramp up, like everybody at the time started putting out a podcast and for about, I'm, I don't know about you, but I would say maybe three years in that timeframe, maybe four.

It was just everything. Everybody was coming out with a new podcast and some of it, some of those podcasts, No offense to every, anybody who's takes this the wrong way, but they just really sucked. And so it's cool to see who lasted. And also cuz in my opinion, I feel like there has been some kind of bubble pop in the podcast game.

And then out of that pop [00:14:00] has come a whole bunch of really refined high quality content. 

[00:14:05] Beau Martonik: Yeah no I definitely agree with that. And it is funny when you look back at that time period, I felt yeah, about the time. So I had the idea for the podcast about a year and a half before I actually did it.

Yeah. I was just too nervous, didn't know, how to do it if, if anybody would ever listen or how, if I could get guests on, that whole thing. And then I felt like when I did it, I felt like I was too late. I felt like there was so many others out there at the time. But I don't know, the way I look at anything is like if you just do something long enough and you just continually refine it and get better at it, that you're not gonna fail.

And I mean it's, there's a handful of us that have definitely lasted the test of time, at least for now, . 

[00:14:45] Dan Johnson: Yeah. Yeah. Until there's some major algorithm change or, yeah. Or social media bans all hunters. You know what I mean? Yeah. You made a really good point there, and a lot of that carries over into deer hunting and this trial by fire [00:15:00] basically, where you just don't, you're not successful in business and you're not successful as a podcast.

in just a six month timeframe. You're not successful as a hunter if you're just one year into it. There's so much to learn. And so like the, just the carryover between business and hunting and what is relevant and what is, what works and it's hard work and dedication to a thing will make you better at that thing.

[00:15:31] Beau Martonik: Yeah, no, that you, you're exactly right. And I look at that with anything. Cause I'm never good at really anything that I start out doing that's a fact. It takes me a lot of time. It takes me a lot of time. Yeah. And and I don't know, I just feel like that the more time you put into something like you're, you'll eventually get a return if you don't Yeah.

Quit at it. And it doesn't mean like you should do the same thing and not learn from it over and over again. Maybe you might not get the results you want, but if you just, just it. But it takes thrown yourself into it. And I think, like I've always. [00:16:00] Been someone that struggled a little bit in the past of and I still do sometimes where I overanalyze something and if I do too much research on something, I typically won't do it.

Yeah. But if I can get just enough to get me going and run with it, then I'll just figure things out as I go, which, yeah. Could sometimes as I'm sure you're, you've run into this too. It's like you get into you get into the, to problems you didn't anticipate. It takes a lot to figure out, but I feel like you come out better on the other side.

And I think it's, yeah. The same exact way with hunting. Like when I started, hunting out west, you and I have talked about that before and I just threw myself into the middle of it. I'm still learning that, right? That's gonna be a lifelong learning lesson. And I'm just trying to, go to new places and hunt different places and experience it and all of it.

I look at any new thing I go to do is At least three year plan, right? Like it's gonna I look at that for even hunting locally in Pennsylvania. If I go to a new area that I've never been in, it's gonna take me about three years to have a [00:17:00] good handle on that spot. That's just, that's how I look at it, right?

[00:17:04] Dan Johnson: Yeah. I'm the same way, but probably even closer to the I am not with all things, but I am the, throw the instructions away with the box and learn some, learn it the hard way. And that's a bonehead move for me. But that short term pain, I feel is worth the long the flattening of any learning curve.

And success in, for me anyway, comes sooner if I do it in a way where I go into something not knowing anything, and then, I'm learning. I'm like, this sucks. But here I learned today I learned this with podcasting. I learned, this and this today and oh, here's a failure. Oh, then, the next week I had to overcome this little thing.

And then over the course of a five week period, five month period, you're just like clicking it. And [00:18:00] so that's for me, whenever I started to find out about, and I don't, I, I'd love to hear your opinion on this. Do you listen or read a lot of other hunting how to type content? No, I don't. Yeah. And that's the same with me.

I just can't do it. And I, for me, I don't, man, how do I put this? I don't want to be influenced by 

[00:18:31] Beau Martonik: anything. That's exactly. . That's exactly what that, what I was gonna say is I don't want to be, I don't wanna be influenced and change cuz I've be, I've done that. Yeah. I've went down that road where I remember when it was probably six years ago when it was like the mobile hunting craze, like really took off.

Yeah. And I started holy cow, I need to rethink what I'm doing because it was like, I need to hunt a different tree every single time. Like I need to be bouncing around first time's the best time. And [00:19:00] there's some truth that can be pulled from that, but when you're looking at your specific area that might be cha that might change.

And like for me, I'm hunting, where I'm hunting mostly big woods type stuff and low deer densities. You bounce around all the time. You'll might, you might not ever see a deer. Yeah. Where you gotta sit in the same spot over again. That was just an example of Yeah. Like where me taking in media of how-tos didn't really help me on that front.

Right now I think. I think that the information, there's plenty of really good information out there. It's just I try to not influence myself too much with it. And then also as someone that creates that stuff, I don't wanna be influenced on how the way I'm doing something based off of seeing somebody else do it.

You know what I mean? 

[00:19:41] Dan Johnson: Yeah. Hey, man, that's a that also c carries over to podcasting too. So like I, I don't even listen to a lot of outdoor podcast. and I own a fricking network because I want to say everything that I'm doing is authentic to me and my decision making, not listening to, three or four outdoor podcasts and [00:20:00] going, Hey, I want to talk to this guy about this same thing that this guy did.

And then the next thing you know is it's inevitable in our space, but we have all of these people talking to the same people talking about the same things every the same time of year. And it's just like outdoor podcast. And I am guilty of it too, is beating a dead horse, just oh, it's post-season scouting time.

Let's talk about it. 

[00:20:22] Beau Martonik: Yeah. Yeah. I know it's actually funny. I was I was doing a podcast with a friend of mine Troy Pottinger I don't know, about a month or so ago. And I didn't even realize cause I do listen to some hunting podcasts on a, on occasion. But not a lot. I listen to a lot of podcasts, but most of them are different.

They're business related or they're just something completely different than hunting. And I didn't realize that Troy had been on with a friend of, I think it's a mutual friend of ours, Aaron. Aaron bla Blace of the Paul. Okay. Yeah. Podcast. And he was just on it. And Troy said something to me before, he is did you listen to the one I did with Aaron?

And I [00:21:00] was like, no, I didn't even know that was the case. And I was like, but I go, even if I did know, I probably wouldn't have had 'em on at the same, around the same time. Yeah. But I don't like listening to it, so it doesn't influence me to like subconsciously take the conversation the same way that he would've.

That sort of speak. So I try to do it where it's like coming from my own mind and asking questions and talking about it versus. Because it's inevitable when you hear something, even if you don't mean to, you start picking up on things or maybe it changes how you ask questions.

Yeah. That's at least the way it is for me. All right. 

[00:21:33] Dan Johnson: So you've talked to a lot of people. I've talked to a lot of people. Let's try to find some similarities from some of the biggest killers or the guys who have consistent su success every single year. What is a theme that you run into with these guys who are going out and getting the job done every year?

[00:21:55] Beau Martonik: that they, it doesn't matter how much time they have, they go [00:22:00] into the last second that they have available. Yeah. And I think that's a huge theme that I see is like the guys that are successful every single year, it's not that they're always just getting it done on the first or second time out there.

They're, they might not always be the absolute most efficient hunter in the woods except for Annie Mae . But other than him like it's it, they just keep, they don't quit. Yeah. They go until they, they can. And I think that's definitely the top trend that I see amongst all of them. What about on one on your side?

What do you see? Yeah, 

[00:22:29] Dan Johnson: I will I saw a, scrolling through social media or something. I saw this Michael Jordan and all the championships that he won, and then it listed the years that he did not win championships. And so there was this timeframe before. , Michael Jordan was the greatest basketball player of all time where he did not win any of these championships.

And so I look at that and I go the, what happened was he had all this experience that [00:23:00] led to him being the greatest. Obviously there's other in things that go into it, but he learned in that period of time, just like the Andy Maze of the world. Just the Dan in faults of the world, they go out there and some of these guys went through spells where they had to, they had to learn to get to this point.

And they've learned just exactly what you said, that they hunt every single opportunity that they get, before the season ends to get the job done. And sometimes that's a late season hunt. Sometimes that's October 1st. Sometimes that's grinding it out, the whole rut, but they're versatile. So yeah.

But outside of that, One thing that I've noticed on these people is the people who go out and get the job done consistently are also guys who, they don't have any other hobbies, man. They may have a whole house full of kids and married in a [00:24:00] busy lifestyle, but they're not doing softball tournaments.

They're not going to the bars. They're not, they've made hunting a priority for themselves and, their priority is usually family. And then hunting, just like what most people are. And then they don't really do anything else. Some guys fish when you can't hunt, but they're outdoorsmen and they've learned an area, they've become efficient in that area, and then they just rely on past experience to go in and their time.

And it comes back to what you said, that their time is efficiently geared towards hunting or bow hunting, specifically. So that's just, that's the other thing. Any, anything else that you can think of that you would see as a theme or a trend? I just wanted to 

[00:24:48] Beau Martonik: add to that. A little bit of y Yeah.

And it's and I've learned that even about myself, like the years, if I try to spread myself too thin too. , say, if I'm like trying to, oh, I want to go hunt [00:25:00] here. I want to do this. And I start doing too many new things. I never. , I don't do as well at the thing that I've, spent all this time like learning how to do Right.

Efficiently. And like for myself, I've learned that if I want to be successful in hunting, that I can't be one of these guys that jumps around to a bunch of different states, right? And does all this stuff. For me, I wanna learn specific areas. Like on the whitetail side, Pennsylvania is where I grew up, and that's like what I love to do, but I know it's gonna, it's gonna take me a long time.

No matter if I've been, since I've been doing it since I was, 12 years old till now, it doesn't matter. Every year's different. I need to put in a lot of time. And recently I've been trying to learn West Virginia and that's been, I'm going on, this will be year three that I'm going into there and trying to learn it and like really put time in there versus oh, going here and there.

Now I always like to do at least one like adventure type trip that's completely different a year. But like out west, I think Yeah, like out west. Okay. But I wanna, I want, if I want to be like, good at doing something that I know I need to put the time [00:26:00] into it, and I notice that with my guests is the same type of thing.

I'll hop people that are, quote unquote experts in their area or their field or they're specific and that's what they focus on. They're doing that all the time. And I, so I just wanted to add to that. I definitely see that as a trend. But the other thing is also their, they're detail oriented.

I see. That's an point, man. Excellent. I see them, and most, not all, I've seen some that are disorganized, that just put in a ridiculous amount of time and figure it out. But I think the majority are very detail oriented in one way or another. Some of that might. with some of it might just be with their gear and having everything dialed and the way they're set up and they're efficient.

When they go in the woods, they're not banging things around cause they know where everything's at. Yeah. They can get up a tree quickly. They know where everything's positioned. So if they have no headlamp on, they can do that in the dark. Yeah. And then there's, other people that, that are really detail oriented with their access and kind of their plans and their scouting, all of those things.

I just [00:27:00] feel like detail oriented people Yeah. Tend to be some of the ones that I'm talking to the most that, that are inevitably successful. Yeah. 

[00:27:09] Dan Johnson: And really that the more you prepare, I've found the more you prepare, the more you are successful and the more your head is in the game. And even as, so I don't know about you, but I got my cell phone and I have, hunt stand and o other apps that allow me to E Scout all the time.

And I'm out there even on properties that I have 10 years of experience on, I'm in there. I'm just going, okay, hypothetically, what if the wind's doing this? And it allows me to get my head in the game all year round. And so when I, when it's time to hunt, I'm not having to think about access routes.

I've already thought about it the last six months, , or, yeah. Or what to do if I need to get into a location. And the wind is not the ideal wind, but I still need to get into that [00:28:00] location. Yeah, 

[00:28:01] Beau Martonik: That's such a good point. And I feel like that was something that I've also learned because I I love scouting, I love walking new areas and there's, I always put a goal every spring to do 200 miles on the boots of covering ground and checking areas.

For a while it was like I was covering just new areas, and. I learned, I to become better during the season. I, my time's better spent picking like three or four areas and really walking them multiple times. Yeah. And picking trees, picking trees, say in the spring, I'm going through it.

I'm marketing like, okay, that tree would be good. This is how I would need to do it. Sometimes I'll even carry my sticks and everything and go in and climb the tree to make sure I can, when the season would come. And so I try to plan out all those things ahead of time and spend that time in it.

And another thing that's helped me is, and I can look at all these things. I can look at maps and esg g at home all the time in mark spots. But my brain is only so big and I can forget information when you get into [00:29:00] the heart of the season. Yeah. And you start, say you're, say you've been hunting it's your rut week and you've hunted, say you have 10 days of hunt and you're on day seven, and you're like, you feel like you have, and you're not having any success and you're like, Man, I don't know what to do.

I, you feel lost. We're in your head. When you really have , you have multiple spots. You have so many spots that you could go to, but you get scatterbrained. So for me, it helps to write that stuff down or type it up as I do and have lists of on certain winds, what places work so that I can make it a very easy approach.

Okay, if I'm feeling lost, I can look at what I call my hunt plan and be like, okay, here's three options. Pick one of them and go to it. And you already have the access figured out. You have all those things and just go to it and make it more. So you don't get paralysis by analysis and.

Freaking yourself out. Yeah. 

[00:29:54] Dan Johnson: So I'm going through something similar than to what you're doing out there in West Virginia. So I'm [00:30:00] heading west and I'm trying to figure out some mule deer out in South Dakota and Nebraska, and I've been out there multiple years now. How long does it take you and how many seasons of going to the same place and trying to figure out deer movement, does it take you before you start to feel.

and going into a place saying, Hey, I know I need to be at this pinch point, or I need to be, on this ridge or I know that there's an acorn tree here and it usually is gonna have a dough group come feed under it. How long does that usually take you to get confident with a farm or a spot?

[00:30:36] Beau Martonik: I think it's three years for me. Yeah. I think it takes at least three years to really get, under me. Cause I always look at the first year as like a test thing, yeah. Whether it's with cameras or hunting. Like I have some kind of test things that are in my head that I think would work out.

Yeah. And sometimes I won't even hunt an area the first year. I might just drop cameras in places as far as like and just let 'em soak and get get me a head start on [00:31:00] year two, maybe that year one I'm hunting a place that I already know and then all of a sudden I go in and it's okay, now I start breaking it down more and walking more of the land or , where you start.

I guess to go back, say you're looking at a big area and you start by hitting these priority areas on the map that you marked and you're checking them. And then as you go after year one, whether you hunted it or trail camera data, you start finding areas that are hotter than other areas. And now I might try to break down those smaller areas in more detail, and then that takes me to the next step in figuring that out.

And so going back to West Virginia, the first year I was down there I was hunting with a friend of mine that has hunted there his whole life. So like I had that reduced learning curve a lot. And I had a shot opportunity there during that first time that I was there. But the second year I went in, which was this past year, I was all on my own and going in and trying to figure it out.

I had these inclinations, but I still didn't have the full confidence in [00:32:00] myself of some of these spots. And some of 'em were like, they proved man, if I would've just sat there. Yeah. I thought that it would've worked out. And then there was other places that were complete bust that I thought , that I would've thought would've been good.

And I started learning, the second year I started finding patches of white oak trees that I didn't know, were there. I started to see how deer we're using a different type of cover that I wasn't used to, with these old coal mines, they had a lot of autumn, olive bushes are grown through in super thick and nasty all through these bots.

And I'm like I wonder how they're using this. And now I, then I, this past year I started seeing trends on how they were working the terrain. Yeah. And using this stuff. So now as I go, I'm gonna go back down there in the next month or so and scout it again. I have more of a, I have a better plan of how to go and I'm actually gonna go through and prep trees and look at things and try to figure out how to, when it comes into this fall have a better game plan going into it. At least more [00:33:00] confidence in it. Yeah, 

[00:33:01] Dan Johnson: absolutely. So when you are, and I know this is a tricky question because every place a person hunts is different, right?

Big woods, then we have Iowa, which is like a 50 50 ag state, and then we have, cer, whitetails live everywhere, right? And so the question that I have for you is there a, when you're out and you're scouting and you're looking at, this West Virginia piece, what are you looking for?

that you've looked for in the past from other properties that says, okay, I have a spot like this at this farm, like basically similar things in a new property. What's that look like for you? 

[00:33:45] Beau Martonik: Yeah that's a good question. And for me I always, when I'm looking at like e scouting and I'm trying to figure out an area, I'm always looking first is vegetation diversity.

Yeah. So I'm trying to find where there's if I'm looking at a map that there's different types of trees or [00:34:00] habitat that, whether it might be open areas that are grassy fields or if it was like an ag country, different ag stuff and then, con for trees mixed with mass trees and like all of those different things.

I wanna find the most diversity that I possibly can. And that's always, that's something that I've found in all the different places that I've been to that is definitely something that, that correlates. And then also then I look at terrain and things that a lot of the areas that I've hunted historically have had different terrain and elevation changes throughout.

So I'll see patterns of certain terrain features that, that deer like to move on. And the steeper it is, to be honest. It's the, it's easier as far as how the, how those terrain features are being used is because it's really pinching deer down almost like a fence row would in Yeah, in ag country, like I look at things that way.

So really it's like I take those main things looking for vegetation diversity and [00:35:00] specific terrain features and then trying to understand whatever that new area that I'm going to, what how much do I think that weighs in on that specific area based off of the conditions that are presented?

[00:35:13] Dan Johnson: Yeah. Yeah. It's so crazy cuz you. To me that made sense. But you got a guy who is new and let's, I want you to say the same thing now, but I want you to say it to someone who is in year one of trying to figure out a new property or year one of bow hunting period. So give me the translation, dumb it down.

[00:35:40] Beau Martonik: Yes. Okay. So what I'm looking for is when I'm looking at a map, I just wanna see to really simplify it. It's like I wanna see different colors on that map. Yeah. That show that there's like a patch of something that maybe dark colored on the map. If you're looking at an aerial map that's showing okay, that's probably some sort of a conifer tree.

Whether it's a pine thicket, a [00:36:00] hemlock stand, or something along those lines. And then maybe you can see an area. Really like light green and almost looks like a feel, but you can see trees that might be a logging cut, that, that would be a food source. It'd probably be bedding. It has a lot of different stuff associated with it.

When you're looking at big wood settings and then open areas, grassy openings or whatever that might be, those are important and a couple different reasons they can offer as a food source in the late season, if it's still green or they're, they might be munching on things there. But it also means that these bucks don't want to walk through the middle of that open spot.

So it just it helps you figure out how the deer are gonna move around those. and the, and, but I like where multiple things meet at one point. So the different colors on the map there. And then I, then this is where I turn on the topography side of the layers. I turn that on and I try to [00:37:00] see where, say an example of a pinch or something that I look at from a topography standpoint would be a bench on the side of a hill.

So a flat spot on the side of the hill where the topography lines are wider. And it might be you see a bunch of topography lines that are close together, meaning it's really steep on one spot, and then above that you might see the same thing and then a flat spot in between. It's okay there's a more likely chance you're gonna travel through there.

And now where does that coincide with where can I find where that coincides with vegetation edges? Yeah. And that's giving me a really good starting point to go in and check those areas out. Now a lot of that is associated with rut type movement, so that's. But that gives me starting points when I go in and I scout.

Yeah. And look at those places. And now I might start finding okay, there's oak trees here and there's a really nice point of a ridge that goes out and that would probably offer some good bedding for those bucks. So I'll [00:38:00] check that out. And then you start pointing pieces of the puzzle together, like how would they be traveling to this?

Why would they feel safe? Be in these locations and going, and for somewhere that has a lot of terrain, like Southern West Virginia, hunt is extremely steep. It's big country. Those topography features where a lot of them meet are so important. What I like what is called a topo hub. So basically you'll have say three or more ridges that meet at one.

So as we're, it's so steep there that these bucks run up and down the points and then up over the tops of the ridges, and they might run some sidehill stuff going through, but for the most part, they're trying to find anywhere that's even relatively flat to go. So where yeah, you can find where multiple places meet at one point that just, that's an odds multiplier.

Yeah. For finding movement or sign. Or you might find a, typically I'll find a big scrape there. It's a good spot to throw a camera and start, dissecting that area a 

[00:38:57] Dan Johnson: little bit. So once you've [00:39:00] found one of these locations is there usually sign there, maybe old scrapes or old rubs from previous years in these areas that you've mentioned?

Yes. 

[00:39:13] Beau Martonik: Yeah. Okay. Yeah typically when you find those travel kind of areas like that, where there's a lot that's meeting at one point, there's some sort of communication tool there, whether it's a. Signpost rub or a community scrape that's just, you could see has been used for years.

Yeah. And if I find that stuff that's you see a a scrape tree that has 5, 6, 7 licking branches. Some are old and not even being used anymore. But that's for me, that's like a, that's a green light. Like man, this is, this has been historically a good 

[00:39:42] Dan Johnson: spot. Yeah. And then does that ring true?

Then when you're looking at your maps and then you say, okay, I know for a fact cuz I've been, I've had boots on the ground in this location. It has rubs, it has scrapes, it has activity. Maybe you've even hunted it before. How [00:40:00] confident are you then that if you find another location similar to that using, digi, ESS scouting or maps or whatever, that, that same activity, not necessarily activity, but the same sign.

Yeah. We'll just say activity is there at that spot as well? Yeah. 

[00:40:17] Beau Martonik: That you're a hundred percent right. And that's what I use as like those trends. Yeah. And finding things and sometimes it takes a while and like we were talking about, me saying it takes at least three years for me to really figure out an area because each of those things are gonna change a little bit.

What's the best type of sign or what you're gonna find and sign looks different in different places too. Yeah. There's some areas that'll be littered with sign and sign that you thought looked like. Great sign in one spot. If it's, if there's a hundred of those places in one area, then that's might not be as good.

Or if you could go to an area where that's like the only thing that looks like that. So yeah, I try to take it and it's all relative to each area, but you find that for me at least by just walking around a.[00:41:00] And trying to get a gauge on how things are looking. But there's a lot of trends that you'll find in these places at that you can look at a map and it starts to make your ees scouting easier as you start applying it to different places.

Yeah. 

[00:41:15] Dan Johnson: How important is understanding topography and I what I mean by that is looking at topo lines and being able to read what that says. 

[00:41:25] Beau Martonik: I think it's, I think it's critical to, to be able to do that. Cause I, I think no matter where you go, even in areas that are relatively flat, topography can teach you things like, yeah, I, there's some areas of big woods that I hunt that's pretty flat with some swamps in it and some things there that I've learned that even.

just little topography changes can mean, if there's a little rise that might be in a swamp and you have, your contour intervals, which I'll explain this in a second, but your contour intervals as small as you possibly can, say 10 [00:42:00] foot intervals, you can start to see these little spots that are, better for deer to bed or a low lying area that's running into a clear cut that might be across this giant flat top, but those deer more likely to c go right in that low lying area, like a field versus, just walking into it randomly.

And so I think topography, no matter where you're at, is important to be able to read. And I think it can help you almost map out potential deer trails without even stepping foot in there. Yeah. 

[00:42:29] Dan Johnson: Yeah. I more truer words have never been spoken, man. I could, before I was using.

Topo lines, I would just use satellite imagery. And then I would go to my farm and I'd say, man, why are the deer like from where I was at, I could see into the field, why are they all in this one spot in this field? Wh or this pasture or whatever. And then I'd drive out and you can't see that from the from the road or whatever.

Or you can't see it from certain points of,[00:43:00] if I wasn't in a tree stand, I probably wouldn't have been able to see 'em. And I, it's only just like a two or three foot difference, but, deer can disappear and all that stuff. It wasn't until I pulled up topo lines and like what you said, changed the intervals to the smallest the, to the smallest interval where I could start seeing why deer move in certain areas or why they move.

And it is 100%. Because they, they don't want to skyline themselves. Now, I'm not saying that holds true everywhere, but they're always taking some kind of path. Even if humans can't understand it, they're taking a certain path for a really good reason. And whether that is some kind of scent hub I've found where they can smell three or four different drainages all from one point, or it's to stay low and outta sight to get to a food source or whatever.

There's so many different op options there. But man top once, I've [00:44:00] once, and it really hasn't been too long ago, I would say like maybe five years only that I've really have dove into topography and man, it is once, there's a couple aha moments there for sure. I think. Anyway. 

[00:44:15] Beau Martonik: Yeah and I think too, now that ees scouting tools are getting better with 3D imagery and all this stuff. I think all that stuff's helpful, but I think it's still so important to understand basic topo maps. Yeah. And understand how that works. Because I don't know, I just see so many benefits with being able to read a map and be able to understand, thinking about what the, how the deer are gonna move through that.

And like you said, with, the fields and I was actually gonna turn that question back on you and you answered it, but as far as I don't have as much experience in hunting some of the agricultural right lands that you do. And do you find, you gave it one example there, but do you find that still holding 

[00:44:51] Dan Johnson: true?

Here's a perfect example I'm sure that you've seen in your scenarios in Big Woods, is there's always a main ridge, right? [00:45:00] That is very noticeable. But on the sides of these main ridges, if you're, if your top of lines are too far apart, you won't be able to see 'em. But if you go to the lowest the lines are contour interval. Yeah. Yep. Contour interval. You're starting to see these subtle, other little small ridges on the sides. And I call those spur ridges. So a spur ridge on the side of it. And from my experience, now, I wouldn't say I hunt big woods, but I have a couple farms that are all timber, right?

And they're big drainages that go down to a river bottom and then, and back up. And so they run on these very subtle depressions on the side of the ridge. Almost if someone was going to build a set of stairs up the side, it wouldn't go straight up. It just it is.

horizontal with the ridge, but works its way up to the [00:46:00] point. And so on these ridges, one thing that I've found is that if you can find them on the topo lines and you can get a tree stand somewhere in towards the top of where that, that subtle depression hits the top of the ridge, you can really use thermals and cut the wind really hard as they j as they curve up to an area.

And you can get away with absolute murder in those spots. Man, there just, I don't, just talking about it brings me back to several tree stand locations that I have and the topo lines tell the. And so the closer, the top of line, the better story that it, it tells. And if, on some of these satellite images, there's some shading that can get thrown into it and you can really see it and it really pops out.

And so I don't know I get fired up about things like that. 

[00:46:52] Beau Martonik: Yeah. Oh, man. And the same thing too. Like I, I know of some spots that I have, like you, you hear the term thermal hub [00:47:00] thrown around where it's, a low lying area where we've got multiple ridges that kind of run down to it, and it creates a, a toilet woo effect with winds.

It's hard, but the deer love it because of that. They can smell everything. There's always good sign there and they can be difficult to hunt. But once you start learning how the topography and how thermals and stuff work, you can figure out how to hunt some of these spots. Yeah. Depending on the wind speed and everything, without going, geeking out really hard on that.

Yeah. It's . When you learn how that works, you can find, use things like streams, like small cracks. Like I'll hunt right on the bank of those, in those areas because if it's a low wind speed day, my thermals are gonna pull down that stream, even though out in front of me where I might be shooting, might be swirling and doing all these things.

Yeah. Where my tree's at in that, the last two bucks I shot in Pennsylvania were that exact scenario and that I was able to sit basically right on that stream bank and my thermals pulled down. You walk 10 yards in front of my stand and throw milkweed out and it's gonna go a [00:48:00] completely different direction than where it does at that tree.

[00:48:03] Dan Johnson: Yeah. I got a spot on Arick where on a north wind, the it's not necessarily the water that causes it. I think it's just all of a sudden all the wind is blowing on a, when I hunted on a no wind and maybe even in a little northwest. . But what happens is we, the, there's no trees growing in this area and so on.

The banks, there's all these trees and they all curve up and they create a literal tunnel. And so when the wind blows through this bedding area to the west and to the east, it's all, it all catches in this tunnel. And it just then sucks everything down. And so I can drop my milk weed and it just floats forever when it's consistent, even if it's a little stiff wind, I mean it's going over the back of [00:49:00] all these deer.

And so the only thing I have to worry about is just getting into the stand. And I usually kick up a couple deer going into the stand, but once I'm in it a lot tight and then the same stand on a south wind. The wind is blowing right at me, but it hits the bank of the the riverbank or the creek bank, and it causes a draft up.

I wouldn't call it a thermal if there's therm. If it's a warm day, it helps, but it just goes straight up. It hits the bank, go straight up. I'm in that draft and my, when I drop my milkweed, it just goes straight up almost on a south wind almost all times a day. Even in a cool I would say even in a cool spot where you know, thermals tech or, usually pulled down.

So it's a pretty sweet spot. And man I've gotten close to a lot of really good deer. In that little spot. Oh, that gets me, 

[00:49:59] Beau Martonik: [00:50:00] yeah. That gets me fired up here. In hot spots like that, when you find I call 'em bulletproof spots. Yeah. If you find a spot that you feel like you're invincible from the wind standpoint, like that's our biggest enemy, right?

When we're in a tree, I, at least for me, and I'm like, man, I just feel confident. At that point, , 

[00:50:15] Dan Johnson: It wasn't until right now, us geeking out about these spots that I now understand nerds a little bit better, , because although I don't I wouldn't call myself a nerd. I nerd out about things like this.

And so when, like you hear someone talk about Lord of the Rings episode one, or, whatever, or, yeah. Or something that is real nerdy. I go, I now understand because they have this passion for this thing and then most of my friends, none of them will really hunt and it's like whenever I start talking about, so why did you hunt in this spot?

Here, let me tell you. And then by in five minutes into it, they're just like, that was a dumb question. I should have never asked it because you just went [00:51:00] way overboard with every, everything you did. Yeah so topple lines, thermals, all the other, what's another topic that you nerd out about?

[00:51:10] Beau Martonik: I nerd out about scrapes and I nerd out nerd, excuse me, I'm losing my words here, but I nerd out about scrapes and how deer using them in specific places. There's some scrapes that I'll find that are just worked year round, not necessarily paw on the ground, but the licking branches and understanding how they use that as a communication tool.

Yeah. And so like for me, I really, I love finding scrapes that I find deer using outside of. , the typical pre rut timeframe. Yeah. And I just, I enjoy trying to figure out why, like why that location of this grape or this specific type of tree. What, what makes them do that? And every year, so I run quite a few cameras and I probably I know I run at least 50 of 'em now through different areas.

[00:52:00] And I run a lot of test cameras of Bo has a theory that pops into his head or he sees something that may be completely off the wall, and I just toss the camera there and let it sit all year just to figure out how deer using it. And I found trends like with scrapes of okay, say you find one in a big top of funnel like I was, or yeah, top of funnel, like I was talking about where you, a bunch of ridges that meet at one point.

That's pretty, pretty standard, but now it's okay. As you're out scouting and you find a big scrape and it's okay, trying to figure out what time of year do you think these deer are using it. Yeah. And like even before running cameras on, I start seeing trends of okay, if I find areas that have a bunch of, now we're going back to the vegetation diversity standpoint.

So for example, for us, logging cuts are a big deal because those are like the food plots of the big woods. Yeah. And they, and if you get one that's in a three to eight year old range, they have enough brows that like, the trees are, just over [00:53:00] their back as far as being tall and they're able to browse on a bunch of stuff.

There's a bunch of briars in there, they're nibbling on. Yeah. But it's also thick enough for them to bed. So it's like wherever deer's spending their most time, like those scrapes that are around those areas typically are better outside of other times of deer. Yeah. And also like those places, the. Even when there's not as much, when the leaves drop off the trees, it's still cover.

Yeah. There's some places I'll find that, that I'll call 'em early season scrapes that when the woods are all green and there's a lot more thick cover and a lot more bedding around, but as soon as the leaves drop off, that's bought as completely ghost town. Yeah. And so it's fun for me to geek out on that.

Yeah. And try to figure out how they use communication to to work through the woods. 

[00:53:47] Dan Johnson: Man I'll tell you this, I've tried to be that guy who finds an active or finds a fresh scrape and sit over it, but more times than not, it doesn't lead to anything for me.[00:54:00] And so I don't even, I don't. I may move into an area because of a let's say I, I'm doing some in-season scouting, or I'm going in to check a trail camera somewhere, and all of a sudden all these big rubs and these scrapes pop up.

And what typically happens is I don't care about where they actually are. It just tells me deer are in here, moving around. So then I go to my next step w and that is to locate the best terrain feature I in the area. And so I'll identify the area as being good by the sign that I find and then move to, I don't know, like a staging area or yep.

Maybe a spur ridge like we, we talked about. And usually some of those places kind of coincide. Like sometimes there's a scrape at the bottom or at the top of a spur ridge, or maybe there's some small rubs that are. In [00:55:00] that path as well. But usually, man, I don't know why, but I just don't get geeked out about scrapes and rubs.

I un I understand the purpose of them, but like for me, when it comes to the strategy, I ju I don't make a ton of decisions based off that. 

[00:55:15] Beau Martonik: That's interesting. And I know, I just know that like in the big woods, it just seems like those Yeah, those are key things. But I will say what you just, what you said, there is something that I use in areas that have high hunting pressure where those things jump out of people.

For example, saddles. Low spot between two higher points in a ridge, deer travel through there. It's no secret. It's been talked about for a ton of years. In a lot of places I hunt, there'll be a tree stand or two Yeah. In the center of that saddle. And there's always a big scrape there.

It's always like a big, it's a great spot to run a trail camera if it's. If you are not worried about it getting stolen and having 'em in that spot. But what I do is like, when I find a place like that now I start like looking out, I might look at a map or walk it and okay, where are they coming from to [00:56:00] go here?

Like, where are they going? And it might be three, 400 yards away going out around that point on the side of a hill, there's a spot that, that there's a small bench and maybe some mountain laurel that gives, that makes it, thicker, gives some cover that's associa, a Greenbrier that gives some cover there.

And now maybe I might set up there where there's no real sign. There might not be a scrape, there might not be any rubs, but it's like a micro feature that they're more apt to go through during daylight versus that spot that big, where everybody else can read that sign and see it too.

So mostly at the time when I'm not hunting directly over it, it has to do with a hunting pressure standpoint or I've also come to learn that. A lot of the older deer won't always just hit the scrape or walk on those flat benches. They'll walk just over the edge. That might be, it might not be that far away.

It might only be 10, 15 yards and sometimes it might be 80 yards away. But yeah, I look for those faint trails that kind of go [00:57:00] off the side over one of those train features close to there that I might set up on while still playing off of that scrape. Yeah, 

[00:57:08] Dan Johnson: I got it. That makes sense. That makes sense.

Yeah. We talked a little bit about everything and we also talked about nothing really today, . And I love the scouting talk cuz it's really relevant for this ti this time of year, man I can't wait. Man, February's a busy month for me, but as soon as I think it's like the last week in February I'm putting my boots on and I'm gonna start making some moves and really even walking through some of the properties that I'm really familiar with, cuz just like you, the big woods man it, it can, one tree can fall down and then in the next year it's just five times thicker in that area.

Yeah. And so it changes so much that I felt like I've been neglecting some of these farms and just going to old, reliable spots every time. And so I don't know about you, but I'm looking forward to this spring and putting on some miles, man. . [00:58:00] Yeah, 

[00:58:00] Beau Martonik: same. And I do want to add a point to bring this full circle.

Yeah. Like when you're, we were talking about Eess scouting earlier and going through that for new areas and going into it. Sometimes I, I do the same thing where there's areas that I've been hunting for seven, eight years now that I start becoming lackadaisical on. Like I just know historical sign, and then sometimes I'll go do that and hunt that and real, and not have the same success I did in the past.

And wonder why it's oh, I didn't realize they logged over here. Yeah. That completely changed it. Now they're feeding over here, or there's no, they're there's, maybe there was one thing that's been hitting Pennsylvania is the gypsy moss and killing a lot of the oak trees or just killing the acorn crops for the year.

So it's like that changes everything and there's a lot of things that can be changed for it. So I and you start, and I was talking about this with Tony Peterson a few months ago. We were like talking about how when you start, becoming patentable yourself on like how you walk through an area or even go into Czech trail camps or doing [00:59:00] anything.

And so I try doing in the spring, do something different. Yeah. Even if it's an area that I've been in so many times, maybe park in my truck at a different spot or accessing and just walking through a different area to look at it from a different set of eyes and be able to figure it out from that front.

And then looking at maps again. I think that's so crucial as, yeah, as far as going back, even though you know that and you've probably walked every square inch at one point of that property, the more experiences you have by hunting there, the more you learn. And when you go back and look at a map, sometimes all of a sudden something will jump outta.

Man, you're an idiot. How did you not know that before? Because of an experience. And it just helps you put those pieces of the puzzle together. So that's where I'm in the process of now this spring is okay, I have three areas that I definitely know I'm gonna focus on again, that I've been in for years.

And, but then I'm gonna have two to three others that I'd just go out and start playing with. And yeah I have, I just love walking new places. That's like my favorite thing to Yeah. To [01:00:00] be able to do. Yeah. 

[01:00:01] Dan Johnson: I missed that man. Productive. Do you have any, do you have any kids? . I don't. Okay. Don't have, don't, I'm saying maybe have some kids but don't have three of 'em.

Okay. Because right now every my scouting missions are gonna have to be like, get in my car, haul ass somewhere, scout for 20 minutes, and then come back home. That's about what I feel I have for free time these days. Yeah, no, 

[01:00:25] Beau Martonik: That, that makes sense. It's definitely situational as far as like where you're at in life and everything when you can do it.

And it's funny because when I started this podcast and doing this, it's and even when I went full-time with it, I was like, man I'm gonna have so much more time. When you're working for yourself, as Dan Oh yeah. You're actually busier than ever. Yeah. Because if you're working a or you're working your regular job, you can be lazy some days.

Yeah. And it's not gonna penalize you completely, but if you're not working all the time and doing other things, and although that my work surrounds the hunting type space and hunting content. Someone's gotta be there actually doing the work and putting it out [01:01:00] because if there's not stuff going out, then that's not, you're not generating anything from it.

And so I have less time than I did before, and that's even without kids. So yeah, that's the mix. I can imagine that it's a very strategic oh 

yeah. 

[01:01:13] Dan Johnson: Approach to your scout. It's almost the strategy. It's almost as detailed of a strategy as we talked about today. Talking, geeking out about, thermals and topo lines.

That's how detailed I have to be to get free time to go do some of these things. I can remember back in the day when I was going to check trail cameras and now I check trail cameras like three times a year. That's it. And so once, like I drop 'em in the summer, I check 'em once before the season starts, and then I'll check 'em probably in March, late February or March again.

And yikes. Yeah. Busy. Yeah. Busy 

[01:01:45] Beau Martonik: life. Yeah. I hear you, man. That's cool. And I think a lot of people can relate to that from the standpoint of only having so much time and I just talked about goals of 200 miles on bridge and all these things. That's, everything's gotta be toned down to what you have available.

[01:02:00] Absolutely. And being able to do that, and I think that I don't need to go hike 200 miles every spring. I just like going to do that. And yeah, I can do that for I, I am able to do that. So that's one thing. Now if you might, condense that down to two or three farms or two or three spots, and you can do that in a couple weekends of being able to go out or after work type of deal.

So it's all relative and just same thing with sign and different areas. Everything's just like you tone it to what you have available. 

[01:02:31] Dan Johnson: Absolutely, man. Hey Bo, I really appreciate you taking time outta your day to hop on today and good luck scouting in the upcoming weeks and hopefully that all leads to another big Woods monster this upcoming season, man.

[01:02:46] Beau Martonik: I appreciate it, Dan. Thanks for having me on.[01:03:00] 

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