On this episode of the Hunting Gear Podcast, Dan talks with fellow podcaster Brian Krebs about budgeting and saving for hunting equipment purchases. Brian and Dan talks about the "buy once, cry once" purchasing method where you are more than likely to spend a larger sum of money upfront in order to gain a product that lasts a long time. Then, once you have all of the equipment you need, essentially there is no cost to hunting outside of tags and licenses. Unless you are a true gear junkie who buy hunting gear every season no matter what.
Brian talks about how he pulls money directly out of every paycheck in to a specific account he sets aside for hunting gear. This allows him to know exactly how much money he has to play with every year. The guys also talk about how and where to look for deals and discounts. Fun episode you will be sure to enjoy!
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What's up everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Hunting Gear podcast. It is Friday. I know it's, I know when you're listening to this, it's gonna be a Friday. I don't even know the date. Let me check real quick. It's gonna be the 24th Friday, March 20. Every [00:01:00] single person except my wife has had the flu this week.
And, uh, we've all been barfing and, uh, pooping and doing just like rough. It's been rough the past, past week and everybody's been sick and. We're, we're coming out of it now. And so that's a good thing, right? Uh, and finally, I, uh, today, well, today is actually the 23rd. You're listening to this on the 24th, and so I, I had a guy bail on me today because I had to bail on him yesterday because I had the flu, and so, I, I reached out to my, uh, my new buddy, Brian Krebs.
Now Brian is the host of the Western Rookies Podcast. He's also the host of the Two Bucks podcast, and, uh, I got him on today, and we're gonna talk about hunting gear and equipment. It's a BS session and really what we're talking about is budgeting. And spending and buy once, cry once mentality. And once you've made your purchases and [00:02:00] have, you have your gear kind of organized and set up for your hunting style, then it becomes very, uh, inexpensive to hunt in a given year.
And so, That's what today's conversation is about. It's a, it's a good one. And so I'm gonna keep this, uh, my voice is still not right. And so before it burns out, I'm going to go ahead and do the commercials and then just get right into today's episode. I, I know you guys are gonna enjoy it. Uh, let's see here.
Where are we at? Where are we at? Okay. If you are looking for a saddle, Go check out tethered man. I can't wait to, uh, I, I'm taking a couple more white whitetail trips this year, so it's gonna be less spot in stock and more, uh, death from above. And so I'm gonna be relying on my saddle in order to get me to where I need to go and in, in a very low profile type of way.
And so if you're looking for, uh, saddle, saddle hunting accessories, if you're looking for, um, climbing sticks, uh, and or. Saddles themselves or [00:03:00] platforms to go check out tethered. Along with that, they have a huge library of content dedicated to making you a better saddle hunter. So go check out Tethered Nation and, uh, just read up on everything that they have.
It's gonna, it's, uh, it's just a good resource. So next on the list is HuntStand. If you are looking to become a better hunter, uh, and what I mean by that is just keeping your head in the game all year round. And if you want to document and journal absolutely everything that you see in, in the, in the woods or out in the field or on the mountain, uh, you can definitely do that by leaving pins, right?
Dropping weigh points or whatever it is that they call those little pins that. You leave those, and then what that does is it tells you a story and then you reference that story every time you're, you know, you're waiting for the bus to arrive, or you're on the toilet, or you're in the parking lot waiting for your cool school, uh, kids to get outta school, right?
You pull up HuntStand, [00:04:00] you reference that, and the next thing you know, you have this awesome journal, this, these journal entries that you can reference. So if you're looking for, The, uh, like a, a very high quality hunting app. Go check out huntstand.com and while you're there, read up on the pro whitetail platform as well.
Uh, tons of new functionality that they've released earlier this year. And, uh, if you're a serious whitetail guy, it's a no-brainer. Uh, next on the list, we have Tcam. And now Tcam is one of those, uh, companies that, uh, if, if you are interested in documenting your. It whether you have a YouTube channel or not, or whether you wanna share 'em on social or not.
Uh, very high quality, quality imagery. The new 6.0 version has an LCD screen. It has a, uh, image stabilization. It has the ability to record in 4k, and it can be mounted to your gun or your bow. So you can show your kids or your family members what you [00:05:00] saw that night. And it also helps with shop placement, right?
You put a shot on the deer, you don't know if it was. A great shot or not. Uh, you review the footage, the footage shows, Hey, I need to wait, or I can go after this deer. So there's tons of benefits from having a attacked cam on your weapon. And so go check out, uh, tact Cam's website and that's it, man. Uh, those are the three here for the Hunting Gear podcast.
Hopefully you guys enjoy today, today's episode. It's a really fun BS session with Brian Krebs. All right on the phone with me today, Mr. Brian Krebs. Brian, man, what's. Not much, man.
[00:05:39] Brian Krebs: Just looking forward to some warmer weather.
[00:05:42] Dan Johnson: Oh dude, you and me both. I, uh, like, I love how spring in the Midwest is, is like a tease, right?
They're just like, okay, here's a couple days of 50. The sun's gonna feel warm on the back of your neck. And then we're gonna follow that up with one whole week of clouds and [00:06:00] 30 degree weather with ice and snow .
[00:06:03] Brian Krebs: Yeah, it's wild. I was, I was driving back from the chiropractor this morning and there's a Turkey like full strut.
Um, in the middle of a parking lot and I'm just thinking like, man, it's gotta be here. The turkeys are out full strut. Spring has gotta be soon.
[00:06:17] Dan Johnson: Right, right. And, uh, as, as you can tell by that cough there, um, I'm just getting over the flu, so I had to bail on a guy yesterday. He had to bail on me today. And so I, I texted you and I was like, Hey dude, you.
Uh, you available right now, and so last minute, we're making this, we're making this work. And, uh, I really appreciate you taking time outta your today to do this, man.
[00:06:42] Brian Krebs: Hey, it's never a bad day to talk about gear. I mean, yeah. All of us hunters are probably like, we probably talk about it too much and our wives all are like, can you just like go find someone else to talk
[00:06:51] Dan Johnson: about this with
Yeah. I, uh, uh, I don't know, man. I, I feel like, let me ask you this. Do you [00:07:00] consider yourself a gear?
[00:07:03] Brian Krebs: I don't know if I'm a gear nut in the sense that I need to go try everything on the market. , I don't have that bug, but what I do have is the gear that I choose is going to be the best I can find for what I need.
And once I find it, I, I quit trying other things until there's an issue. So I don't know where that lands me in the gear nut category. Yeah. But I don't, I do like the buy once cry once mentality. Yeah.
[00:07:28] Dan Johnson: Yeah. What would you, what, what would you give that title of that person? Because that's, I don't, I wouldn't consider what you're doing.
Being a gear nut, either I, I look at a gear nut as someone who buys something different every year. Tinkers with it, decides whether or not they like it, but regardless of the outcome, they're still buying new gear every year.
[00:07:51] Brian Krebs: Yeah, I agree. That's, that's what I think of when I say like a true gear nut.
Yeah. I keep an eye on the market and what's coming out, but [00:08:00] I would maybe call it. I'm very tied to my gear. I'm very connected to my gear and you know, it means a lot to me and it means a lot to have good times outdoors and, and gear is a big part of that for me. So that's why I, you know, maybe gear dependent.
[00:08:15] Dan Johnson: Yeah, gear de depend. Well, you're also efficient with it. So like, I think that's how I'm, I, I personally make most of my decisions based off. , is it the right thing for me? Can I beat the crap out of it? I mean, and it's all situational. So I have different gear, like when I go out west and I'm, I'm spot in stock and mule deer or, or out in the mountains versus the, you know, the tree stand.
And so I have a different pack for each one of those scenarios cuz they require me to carry more or less gear depending on what scenario I'm in. And so, I don't know, man. I, I feel like I'm to the point, just like you, where I think I used to be a tinkerer [00:09:00] back in the day, maybe two or three years ago, but not so much anymore.
I, I, I feel like I have found the equipment in the gear that not only am I comfortable with, but our perfect for me in the environments that I. . Yeah.
[00:09:18] Brian Krebs: Yeah. That's a big thing to me with gear is, is I don't need to have a lot, I don't need to have new stuff all the time. What I need to have is stuff that I know is gonna work and I'm not gonna be out on my nine day elk cunt wondering, man, should I have switched my pack?
This one just doesn't feel right. I'm running into issues. Um, and so that's where I really just want to know what I have is gonna help me be successful. Yeah.
[00:09:42] Dan Johnson: Yep. One second. I gotta go shut off a space. No worries. I don't know why I decided.[00:10:00]
I love, I love when things like that happen. I have this, I have this dumb ass space heater in my office and it, it breaks like two months ago. All of a sudden, just right now, it decides to kick back on Blow Blows my mind. Blows my mind. Perfect timing. Exactly. Exactly. So, um, so let's talk about budgeting because I think this is where a lot of people, I don't know, like I, I consider myself serious.
I don't have any other hobbies. Um, but I still have to. You know, I'm lucky I'm in the industry, um, in some way, shape or form, so I can get discounts if I, I know a lot of people, if I really wanted to, I could reach out and get discounts. I could, uh, you know, I strike up some sponsorship deals, which usually results in free product here and there.
Um, but there are, there is still a lot of stuff that I have to budget for every year. . And so let me ask you [00:11:00] this, just very, uh, very vague, high level question. How do you usually budget for any new, you know, purchases, hunting gear and equipment? And, and is, does that also fall into your tags and license budget?
[00:11:20] Brian Krebs: It's a, it's a, it's a great question cuz it's important and you'd never want to come to October and you're like, oh shit. Like I don't have money for cakes, . And so I wasn't, I was not great at it for, you know, my early single years outta college, I was making money. I didn't have a girlfriend or a wife.
And so I was just like, my finances were like, Hey, I got money. I'll spend money. Oh, things are tight. I quit. You know, I was just kind like, go with the flow. Yeah. And my fiance at the time, Well now my wife, she, you did not operate that way. She was very structured and that gave her like a lot of anxiety.
Yeah. And so I started, I started getting better. She really helped me get better. And so now I just have a [00:12:00] sinking fund. Yeah. Every paycheck 185 bucks goes in the hunting fund. Yeah. So you do that, that's about $370 a month. You're just shy of about, you're getting about 4,500 bucks a year. Right. Into the syncing fund.
Yeah. And that's intended to cover points, pegs. , um, and then gear, right? Yeah. And some trips. And so what really throws a wrench in stuff is taxi. Bear me, right? Mm-hmm. . When you happen to shoot a big bull that you wanna shoulder mount, now you gotta, that's a be like, that starts like a different process, but that's how I do it.
I set aside money. If something big comes up, then we just do like a different type of sinking fund. Like, like this summer, I want to. A redneck blind or a bank's outdoors blind for our farm. Yeah. We got a new piece. And so that's something where it's like 2,500 bucks. Me and my dad are gonna split it, but you just gotta start putting a hundred dollars, a hundred dollars a month away towards it.
Yeah. And you gotta plan these things out and you're gonna be a lot less stressed. Your partner in life is going to be a lot less stressed when you have a plan like [00:13:00] this, so it's gone way
[00:13:01] Dan Johnson: better. Yeah, man, that's the, that. Here I, I'll, I'm gonna be full disclosure, brutally blunt, my wife has a problem with me and the, I, I don't, I, and I, and I don't think it's the amount of money that I spend, I think it's the amount of time that I allocate to hunting.
And so, and, and it really does. comp, it doesn't compare to the time that I spend with the family, cuz obviously I'm with the family all year round. And so I, I do this, let's just say max five weeks out of an entire year, I dedicate to hunting. Whether that's shed hunting, whether that's Turkey hunting, whether that's, uh, you know, uh, a week in South Dakota, week in Nebraska, a week in Iowa.
Really, it, it's probably less than that, but, but like when I go to. . [00:14:00] When I go and I buy, let's say like I bought, I bought a quiet cat. This, uh, this past year on, I think I got it in September, is when it finally arrived. And so I did a hunt without it, and then I did a hunt with it, and that, that cost me $3,000.
Okay? And, and I'll tell you this, that's with a 50%. Because I knew a guy who worked at Quiet Cats, so I, I got a huge discount, and so I got a really good bike for half the, half the price. And like she, she did, I don't, she, she thought it was cool, but I don't think she liked it because I spent $3,000. On that instead of the family
And, and so when we go on, let's say like, uh, we go to the Wisconsin Dells sometimes, or we go on a family trip that's like one third of, of that, of that cost. So like the [00:15:00] family trips and, and the vacations and things like that. Those, those really add up fast as opposed to my one big purchase a year. And if I don't make a purchase going to.
I don't know going, and I don't know where I'm going with this. I'm just, I'm shooting right from the hip here, like going when I go to, on a trip out west, right? I already have everything I need for the most part. You know, this year was an exception with that, with that quiet cat. But man, I sweep in the back of my.
I eat food out of a cooler. I, I really don't eat, you know, I don't go out to eat. Um, al everything I bring is with me. And so it's, it's way cheaper than going on on these vacations yet, I think, I think more of it has to do with time, uh, than it does with, oh, you're going on three trips. Well, my three trips equal one.
Of our family trips, or [00:16:00] one of, and I, I, I almost, I said this to her the other day, Hey, listen, if you want, you guys are more than welcome to come with me, but you're gonna sleep in the back of a truck, or you're gonna sleep in a tent. You know? Yeah. We can go do as many of those trips, uh, and vacations as you want, because they're really affordable.
Actually, we can do more of them throughout a year because they're affordable. But no one wants to sacrifice a hotel. And a shower and going out to eat and things like that. So we're that, that's not necessarily about gear. That's just, uh, getting that off my chest right now. .
[00:16:35] Brian Krebs: Yeah, I mean it's, when you talk about budget, the time budget is.
You know, the, the money budget might be the talking point, but I, I feel like a lot of people, the real root of the conflict is the time. Right. It's the time away from home and so you gotta, you just gotta be very open. You know, me and my wife, we found out that back to back Western hunts don't work for us.
When I'm gone for nine days, I'm home for three, and then I'm gone for seven more. Yeah. Like, so we just, I just plan [00:17:00] my hunts accordingly now and, and try to, you know, move things around. So I'm at home long enough. You know, reentry into my house and into our relationship, and I'm home long enough that we can talk and we can relax.
Yeah. It's not like, Hey, we gotta hit these five things right now because I'm leaving in two days. Right, right.
[00:17:16] Dan Johnson: Yeah. Yeah. That's the, that's the toughest thing. I like, I can go out and, and I, I get the benefit and I know a lot of people who are listening to this right now, they don't get the benefit of. I can say, dude, I'm doing this for my job.
Right? As opposed to, you know, Joe Blow who's working the factory job and he tries to drop three grand. It doesn't matter how much money he's making, uh, if he decides to drop three grand on a quiet cat or a big dispenser like that, he can't use that excuse. And his wife, his wife, like, that's a tax write off.
which kind of brings me to my next point. I know guys, and I don't know, I'm sure you can know guys too, who they start an LLC [00:18:00] just to write off their, their hunting expenses. Well,
[00:18:06] Brian Krebs: I, I don't have an llc, but I do have a
[00:18:08] Dan Johnson: sole proprietorship. Yeah, that's what I have too. But, and you can, you can do the. . Yeah.
[00:18:13] Brian Krebs: is just a, it's a, um, it's a protection, um, vehicle for whatever you're doing. Mm-hmm. , you could still be taxed as a sole proprietor and just have it in an LLC for protection. Yeah. But yeah, it's very, I mean, I tell people all the time, like, Hey, start a t-shirt business when in whatever demographic your passion is in.
Yeah. So if you're in Hunter, start a funny t-shirt hunting, like a funny hunting t-shirt business. Yeah. And now every time you go out, And you bring your shirts and you bring your camera and you're taking content, you can start to play a lot of different tricks with illegal tricks. Yeah. With the tax season.
And you get a accountant that knows what he's doing and he's gonna, he's gonna guide you and he says, you know, this is pushing it. You know, you can't sell two shirts a year and write off $20,000 , but if you really love it, you're probably gonna grow it. It's [00:19:00] probably gonna turn into something, but. You know, miles can be written off.
Yeah. Sometimes hotels can be written off. Cameras can be written off. Yeah. There's a, you gotta eventually make profit. I mean, that's where you, if you're gonna do that, I really strongly encourage you to get an accountant and, and over at the Two Buck podcast I had my accountant on and he can, he's licensed for the whole country.
So if you're looking for someone, you know, but do it. Do it smart. But yeah, there's a lot of benefit to being a W2 employee with the side gig.
[00:19:25] Dan Johnson: Yeah. That's a fact. So, kind of kind of coming back to budget here, um, what, like, how do, how do you determine, you know, you, you've already talked about putting 185 bucks a month into an account, and what does that usually get you a year?
I don't have a calculator in front of me. Oh. So I did
[00:19:46] Brian Krebs: 185 a paycheck, so three 70 a month that comes into just, uh, just under $4,500 a year. It's probably like 44.
[00:19:56] Dan Johnson: 44. So $4,500 roughly [00:20:00] a year. Yeah. Um, and does that, does that cover everything? Because I, I look at something like that and you're going on an, uh, elk hunt and, and then another out-of-state hunt as well.
Right. At least two out-of-state hunts a year
[00:20:15] Brian Krebs: to pick. I'll do an elk hunt, maybe a four day deer hunt. I've always done like a five day fishing trip in Canada. Maybe a couple weekend shed hunts and the gas on a, like a weekend hunt, that's kind of neither here nor there. That's just the monthly budget. Um, I would say it's a strong base.
Yeah. You don't get. You don't get yourself into deep trouble when you start with a base like that. Now, some years it's a little light, you know, I went, I drew that North Dakota elk tag. I think we talked about it on previous podcasts, but I was scouting every week. I had a Super duty. Yeah. I was doing like $600 a month in fuel.
Yeah. Um, and then I had an el, a nine day Montana hunt. I was home for two days and then I left for another elk hunt. So that, and then I had to taxidermy [00:21:00] bill. Right. Right. Um, so like it, sometimes it's not enough, but it's a good base. I would strongly encourage you to start with what you. Right. If that's 50 bucks a paycheck, if that's skipping beers with your buddies at the bar, invite 'em over, buy a 24 pack and invite 'em to the garage.
You'll have more fun. It'll be way cheaper. Throw that 50 bucks and at least you're starting somewhere and you'll start to know if it's gotta go up or down. Yeah.
[00:21:25] Dan Johnson: Yeah. And, and that's kind of how I, I, I play it. And what's awesome. About this, this buy once cry once mentality, uh, that you, that you talked about.
I've already bought once, and so most of my budget then for the year actually goes into transportation of getting me to and from hunts and the food and the tags. So really, uh, so, so gas, food and tags. And so now that I've, I have almost everything that I. , [00:22:00] um, you know, I, I got this quiet cat, which really opened up things for me this year.
My, my only expenses are gonna be food, gas, and, uh, tags. And so last year, man, I want to say I went on. Uh, and this does include hotels during the rut in Iowa, where I got a hotel during the days that it rained. Um, and so all my Western trips, uh, I did one day of hotels, uh, in a two week period, like a combined two week period.
And so I did, I wanna say I went on three. Week long trips throughout the entire year this year. Um, and it was under two, under $3,000 for all of that. And so I look at something like that. I go three trips for three under three grand. That's, that's, that's an ama That's a amazing. To me as [00:23:00] opposed to having to go, you know, if I had to go buy a full Sitka, sit up or set up, or if I had to go, um, uh, what's the, what's another, like if I bought a brand new bow or a brand new rifle or something like that on top of that, then it starts to escalate a little bit more.
But the, the best part about this is once you have everything you need, that's when you can. and you've refined your gear. Not only have I have I bided once, cried once, but I've also refined that gear to the point where now I have everything I need and my budget is just wide open on, on tags and and travel.
[00:23:40] Brian Krebs: I'm the same way. I mean, I bought a rifle two years ago and that was the last significant hunting gear purchase. And up until then I was, I was borrowing rifles because our family just had enough. Yeah. Um, yeah, like, like I run kere boots. I haven't bought new boots in five years. I haven't had blisters in five years.
I [00:24:00] have a mystery ranch pack. I kept my old pack that time just cuz my wife would need one eventually, but, You know, these are investments in gear. It's lifetime stuff. You know, I'm running Sitka and I do have to send in a jacket right now cuz it, it's six years old and it has one tiny rip this season shed hunting.
Yeah. And so it's like I'll send that in, it'll get fixed under warranty. But I haven't bought hunting clothes. And so I'm at that same point. I'm in a maintenance phase already with gear now. There's big stuff coming, right? We're gonna buy a tractor send, eventually we're gonna have a four-wheeler. That's completely different, right?
Like that's a whole different budget. Yeah. Um, but you, I'm at the point now where I basically can round out what I need every year. The ebbs and flows with like birthday and Christmases. Yeah. Like my whole family hunts on both sides. Right. And so I can put a, a Sitka hoodie on the list. I could put a trail cam on the list.
A lot of the things that really adds up. You start talking about like trail camera, hardware, these brackets and mounts. Yeah. Um, the, the hood Ag drippers, like all this stuff that's like only [00:25:00] 30 bucks. All of a sudden you got like $300 a year in that stuff. And those are great Christmas gifts cuz it's 30 bucks a piece.
Right. Um, so yeah, I got, I, through the years I've found tips and tricks to really cut down on spending. And I don't know if you want to get into that here or not, but there's, there's some ways where you can really save some significant dollars
[00:25:18] Dan Johnson: on hunting gear. Let's, uh, let's do that. But remind me cuz I got something else that, uh, the transition into yours is gonna be easier than what I want to talk about.
So let's talk about it. How, how do you, how do you save. Um, so
[00:25:32] Brian Krebs: right off the bat, one of the easiest ways to save money is you go on, I've went on Amazon and you can get an air mattress that's custom fit to your truck bed. So if you got a crew cab, almost everyone's got crew cabs these days. Yeah. , you can get this air mattress where there's a base section that fills up the foot, well area of your backseat, and that comes up and then it's flat.
So it's basically like a twin size bed. It's gonna be more comfortable than a cot. Mm-hmm. , you have heat and air conditioning depending on what season it is [00:26:00] with your pickup. You just autostar it or start it, run it for 15 minutes. Yep. Um, and so I do that anytime I'm hunting alone, no matter the weather conditions.
I've done it down to 15 below. I've done it up to 85 at night. You just tailor your sleeping bag and your sleep system to the weather. Um, but I can do, you can do it 15 below without running the heater. If you have a good. . Yeah. Maybe one blanket on top. So you, you got 70 bucks into that air mattress.
There's not a hotel anywhere anymore for $70. Mm-hmm. . And so you're saving, that's like instant return on its money. You, you save two nights and you've got the whole thing paid for. Yeah. Um, and so like you, every time I'm alone I'm hun I'm sleeping in my pickup. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so that's a great one. Um, just to save those hotel bills, cuz those significantly add up.
And then a little known secret is if you're a firearm safety in. , you qualify for the I H E A International Hunter Education Association, and they have a program called Expert Voice where there is a ton of [00:27:00] discounts on there. There's, um, all of the GSM brands are a part of it. Oh, nice. Not all, not every product, but you, I mean, you, you're in the industry, you know, GSM has.
Basically the one stop shop for hunting, aside from weapons, GSMs got it all. Yeah, they trail cams, blinds, treat everything. Um, they're on there. They got some pretty good discounts. I mean like 30% off stealth cam, 40% off Hawk. Um, they have Vortex. Vortex is on the Expert Voice program. 40% off on optics.
And so you gotta, you gotta go through a little bit of work on this one. It's free to become a firearm safety instructor in most states, but you gotta, you gotta actually go out and help kids and get back to your community. But by doing so, you can get some heck of a good deals on some of this stuff. And then everyone I think now actually knows about camo fire.
But you give it enough time on the Camo Fire app. , it's like a hunting surplus app. Every day there's new deals. Yeah. If you give it like 12 months, you can usually find what you're looking for.
[00:27:55] Dan Johnson: Right? Right. Hey, same thing with, uh, there's, there's other websites out there. [00:28:00] Um, God hunting gear deals. Yeah. Dot com.
Hunting gear deals, I believe it is. Hunting gear deals.com. And the sole, the sole purpose of that website is to go out, scrub the internet. Look. , uh, discounts on hunting gear and equipment and mm-hmm. and go and find them and bring them to you. Yeah. Right. So there's that. And then, um, also, here's one thing that I've found, and this was before really, I was this deep into the industry.
And, and I, God, I hate saying that. Like, I just hate saying that cuz it makes me sound like a d bag, . And so, but call the company up, ask them questions about the product and then ask them over the phone, Hey, do you happen to have. , any discounts f uh, you know, available right now, and I'm not gonna guarantee this, but I have a feeling that if you said, Hey man, I'm, I'm looking for, do you have a, you have a small discount available.
They, I bet you a lot of companies would go, you know what, I think we do have a, a [00:29:00] discount available for you. And it may be 5%, it may be 10%, but that's still better. You know, paying full retail price for it. And so, um, if you look hard enough, you can find discount codes for just about anything on the market or a time of year, like Black Friday or, or pre or post season.
They have, they have codes available for, for you. . Yeah.
[00:29:24] Brian Krebs: Yeah. And then I would just say, make a list, prioritize it, and just check one off at a time. Yeah. Don't, unless you're, unless you're in a different class, I would not suggest just go into the store and fill in a basket of everything. Right, right. At one time.
Yeah. Um, just check it off. I mean, you probably have the bare essentials already if you're, At all into the hunting, um, lifestyle. So you got what you could go hunting with. So now if it's like, well I could use a better pack. Mine doesn't really work to haul meat and I want to go elk hunting. It's okay.
That's maybe priority one. Get the pack this year, next year, maybe get a better pair of boots year after that. Maybe you get two pairs of pants. Um, take it [00:30:00] slow, you know? Yeah. It's not worth being in a bad spot for 11 months to have fun one month.
[00:30:04] Dan Johnson: Yeah. The only thing that I could really. That could probably throw a wrench into a budget like that would be maybe like a once in a lifetime hunt where all of a sudden your buddy calls you up and goes, Hey dude, I got a.
I got access to a uh, uh, um, Yukon Moose float trip hunt. It's gonna be 10 days. Uh, here's what we would need for it. And then, then it would be like one of those, maybe I put that on a credit card type scenarios because it is such a, a, a one-off once in a lifetime hunt, and then you decide to maybe pay that off in the long, in the long term.
And then you. Basically make your budget zero after that and only hunt local. Um, so outside of that, I think you're right. I mean, just slowly, slowly add up or slowly gather everything, everything you [00:31:00] need. Um, any other tips or tricks that you can, that you can think about that would help somebody save money?
[00:31:08] Brian Krebs: would say, I would say the, you know what's gonna save you the most money in the long, long term is just taking care of the gear you have. Right? Correct. That's not dropping binos. It's not, I mean, I've dropped a Bino off the side of a cliff before. Yeah. And I had to, I crawled down to get it and it was fine and it was a Leopold so it's covered.
But yeah, invest in good gear and then take care of it. Right. Like make sure you're not having to replace your stuff every two, three years. You know, pants a little different story. Like they eventually they just wear up. , but like, make sure you're glass for sure. You're not treating it bad. Your rifles, you're cleaning 'em, you're keeping 'em safe.
Um, and that's just gonna save you the most money in the long term is buy once, cry once and take care of it forever. Um, there's a lot of things that will last forever now and then just be, I don't know, maybe be centered more on, on the why, why are we doing this? Right? It's to enjoy the outdoors. It's not to have the coolest looking Instagram [00:32:00] pictures with all the latest gear, right?
There's gear that comes out all the time that I'd love to have. I'd love to do tree saddles, but you know, it's like, do I really need a saddle? Where am I gonna use it? I hunt my own farm. I have tree stands set everywhere I want, right? I don't need it right now. So I put that. I would love a lone wolf custom gear.
Those stands look sweet. Yeah. But do I really need it now? The lone wolf assaults are fine. Yeah. Right.
[00:32:22] Dan Johnson: Yep. Yep. And uh, just to piggyback off what you've said there, uh, you mentioned, uh, warranties. Uh, and so I got a, uh, one of the partners of the Nine Finger Chronicles is Vortex Optics, and. I like having a company, let's say for example, uh, vortex Optics or, uh, Exodus Trail cameras.
They had a, they had a five year warranty on some of their, uh, trail cameras. And so when you, when I go in to make a purchase, that's another thing I look at cuz I can be really, really hard on my optics and I can go out and I can [00:33:00] drag 'em through the dirt and I can use them really. And I know that I have a warranty to lean on if there's any, any damage done to 'em, because I can just send my binoculars back in.
They fix it for free and then they send it back. And I wish, I wish all my hunting gear had that same type of, uh, warranty on it because it would make things a lot easier, uh, to, you know, oh, yep. Hole in the crotch. Let's go send it in, you know, hole in the boot. Let's go send it in, you know, broken. I don't know, broken riser because I dropped my bow out of the tree.
Stand. Send it in. You know, I wish every company had, uh, had that. Unfortunately they don't. But buying, uh, uh, buying a. A product with a warranty like that is, I don't know. I, I, I almost don't even, I won't buy a product unless it has, uh, certain products. Uh, if, unless it has a warranty like that. I mean, it's almost [00:34:00] industry in certain, in certain categories.
It's almost industry standard right now. . Yeah. And
[00:34:04] Brian Krebs: Vortex is, I would say Vortex is the gold standard in customer service and warranty. Their warranty policy is even better than Leopold's. And Leopold's has always been known for theirs. Yeah. And I'm, right now I'm down the fence, 50 50. Half of its Ls, half of its vs.
But I've, lately I'm moving more and more towards Vortex just because of their customer service, their value. I, I really do believe for the, for the value, the, the, what you get for what you spend Vortex is right at the top of the pack. Right. Absolutely. And so, yeah, I'd like to actually have those guys on the Western Rookie Podcast to kind of talk through glass for anyone that's looking for some glass of like, what do I need?
What should I, what's the difference between this and that? How do I know what I'm looking at? Um, I think it'd be really cool to hear from them on that, but, Yeah, like you said, it's nothing makes me mad more when it comes to gear than spending a hundred dollars to try to get away with a, you know, like, I don't really need that.
I'll just spend a hundred bucks and get this instead. Yeah. And then I hunt it and I'm like, ah, [00:35:00] I'm just frustrated. Right. It just angers me and then I end up spending the 200 anyway. Now I'm in it for 300 bucks instead of 200 bucks and I had, you know, I got frustrated in the meantime. Maybe it kind of wrecked a hunt or something didn't go the way I wanted it to and that, you know, so I just quit doing that.
[00:35:14] Dan Johnson: Yeah. Are there any. Products that you treat as disposable. And what I mean by that is something that gets you through one season and that's all you care that it does double-a batteries. Well, fact. Okay. All right. Outside of
[00:35:32] Brian Krebs: that, um, yeah, that's, I got enough. Double-A batteries to put tractor weights on our tractor.
Dude. Um, dude,
[00:35:39] Dan Johnson: you wanna know what's awesome. Uh, and just as much as the 50% discount from. , uh, I got from the Quiet Cat deal. So the network, the Sportsman's Empire Network partner is interstate batteries. Yeah. So every year the guy sends me like 240 or [00:36:00] something like that, whatever it comes out to.
batteries, lithium, AA batteries on the house. I don't have to pay for 'em. And so he hooks me up with, with those. And that is, that's huge. Cause I go through 'em like that with all the trail cameras that I run.
[00:36:15] Brian Krebs: Throughout the years, we just started switching everything to solar. We got eight tactic cams and all of 'em have solar panels now.
Yeah. Um, but no, I don't know if I'm, I'm really struggling to come up with something. I'm thinking about like consumable products, like one pond, propane cylinders. We refill those now. Yeah. Um, maybe not our msr. Or our, our jet boil canisters. We don't really refill those. I don't even throw away my game bags.
Like you can if, yeah, you don't know. You can just throw your game bags in the wash on a cycle alone and they come out just as white as they ever were. Yeah. So I save all my game bags, all my knives. I don't have any replaceable BA knives anymore. They're all, um, you know, they like the, the Gerber EBS system.
Like I just sharpen the blades up and [00:37:00] put 'em back on. I don't throw 'em away. wood blot seed and fertilizer. I guess. I mean, when you, you, yeah. Really like I don't throw stuff away. I don't get rid of stuff. Everything I got that I've been using, I've been using for years. So yeah, that one's a challenge.
What, what about you? Do you have anything that you kind of treat as disposable
[00:37:18] Dan Johnson: gloves?
[00:37:20] Brian Krebs: gloves really out of everything. Like you're not talking like neoprene, like gutting
[00:37:24] Dan Johnson: gloves. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about one year. So here, here's, here's what I've done in the past. I can remember a year where I bought a really good pair of like hunting gloves, okay?
And they ended up with a hole. Just like every other pair of gloves that I've had before me. And so just throughout one year of working in those gloves, and that means hanging tree stands, taking tree stands down, checking trail cameras, you know, going, you know, [00:38:00] crossing fences, climbing up, shale, you know, whatever, whatever, you know, crawling on your hands and knees, things like that.
No matter how durable a glove says it is, it isn't. It does. It does not last an entire season with me. There's always holes in them somewhere. And so at the beginning of every deer season, I go to Lowe's or a, a hardware store and I buy another, uh, pair of mechanics, gloves, and that is my hunting glove for the entire year.
And, uh, I've, I've gone through all the name brand hunting, like you name a. Of outdoor gear, hunting gear, specifically that sells gloves. I've probably had 'em and I've probably, uh, worn 'em out in a single season. . You
[00:38:44] Brian Krebs: see, that's funny cuz I've never, I've worn out one pair of gloves. Sicca used to have this OG shooter glove that was perfect.
It was kind of like a tactical glove. Yeah. And I used to wear that elk hunting. I only wore 'em elk cutting. Yeah. Because you're always grabbing shit and falling and, yep, yep. And so I wore [00:39:00] those out after like three or four years. But other than that, I mean, I have this, the lightweight sickle ones and they last forever.
And then usually I'll upgrade to. . I wear leather gloves for anything if I'm not hunting. Yeah. Like I'll just go get a pair of leather farm gloves if you wanna flip 'em inside out. They last longer, but they look stupid. Yeah. Um, because the rough out doesn't cut as fast. Um, and then if it gets cold enough, I'll just switch to my choppers.
And I think my choppers were my dad's choppers, so they're like 40 years old. Yeah. And so I can't remember the last time I've bought gloves and I've got so many of those thin sitco ones now cuz I get 'em like every Christmas and a stock or something. Oh yeah. Yeah. And then I've never even worn a pair out, but they work great up until like October.
Cuz you just, if your hands get a little chill, you put 'em in your mof or your jacket. Yeah. Um, and then sometimes I don't even hunt with gloves. Even when it's late season. I just put 'em in my bibs and keep my hands warm. Yeah.
[00:39:48] Dan Johnson: So, and. . So when I'm out west, I wear gloves when I'm walking to and from a spot.
Once I get to a spot, I take my gloves off, put 'em in my pocket if the weather's warm, right? Yeah. And then I'm doing that [00:40:00] because I don't wanna put my hand in a cactus or, or, uh, you know, on the rocks as I'm pulling myself up a hillside or whatever. But then on top of that, I, I'm, I like you. I very rarely wear gloves in the tree stand.
I will say this. I, I usually do, you know, have you ever heard of the, uh, the, it's basically, uh, a farm brand Handy Andies. They're the yellow and, no, the yellow and red gloves. Yellow and red. Yeah. They're, that doesn't seem to come to mind. Okay. Anyway, they're like, uh, I wore 'em when I was bailing hay and, and things like that, you know, back in the day.
And so these handy Andes, they're, they're soft, but they're durable. And, and in the, during the hunting seat, like during the. Uh, becau becau, this is weird because I don't have a right index finger. I put my release on my bare hand, and then I put my release into the index finger on that hand, and so into [00:41:00] the empty finger pocket.
And then I can wear my gloves over top of my release. And then when the moment of truth comes right, usually my gloves are off anyway, and in like a. At that point. Yeah. But when I'm walking to and from the stands or things like that, I'm in a pair of handy andies and so, uh, uh, I don't even wear, like those are, those are just, I dunno.
Those are, those are more durable than any hunting glove I've ever had to purchase. They, they last forever, but that's what I'm using. So. . Yeah, that's a
[00:41:30] Brian Krebs: sweet trick cuz I bet you don't clang your, your release on your steps very often when it's
[00:41:34] Dan Johnson: up to your glove . Well, usually I, I don't put my release on until I'm in the tree anyway, and so, oh.
And so that's just the secret to keeping my hands warm cuz I don't like, I do not, not what sticks out Well, no, I don't like having my release over top of a. Oh, I just, yeah, I just, I, I can't do it. I can't do it. I like to have just punch it up. Yeah. I just love the sens having the sensitivity of the finger directly on the [00:42:00] trigger.
And so usually, uh, when a deer does come by that I, I feel like I wanna shoot, uh, I'm not thinking about the cold anyway. Right. I'm like, it, it would have to be really, really cold for a long period of time with that skin exposed for me to just be like, oh no, I'm cold. It's gonna ruin my shot. So, I don't know.
That's, that's my glove situation anyway. Yeah.
[00:42:23] Brian Krebs: That's funny. That's the one. Yeah. But like you said, even gloves. I mean, you're talking what, 50, maybe a hundred if you're going top of the line gloves. Yeah. But the ones that you're getting at the Fleet Farm are not a hundred dollars gloves. And so really, when it comes to gear, it sounds like you and I are pretty much in the same boat, like we're not replacing gear every year.
[00:42:40] Dan Johnson: no, no. I'm def I'm gonna, I feel like the only piece of gear I'm gonna have to replace this year, is gonna be potentially, I've had my crispies now for going on five years, and they still work really great. They're not as waterproof as they were anymore. So I o I add, uh, a new [00:43:00] coat of waterproofing to 'em every single year.
Uh, and they do okay. I mean, when it's wet and damp out, they get, they get wet. They're not. I mean, the, the waterproofing isn't on 'em anymore, but they're, they're very comfortable. They're still, you know, they're still durable, right? I mean, they, they've lasted, I've kicked the shit out of 'em. They've lasted long.
But the other, other than that is a release. So I, I feel like I'm gonna have to get a new release this year. And, uh, I'll be playing around with different types of releases between now and the hunting season to see what, what I like. .
[00:43:34] Brian Krebs: Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. And then like, you know, broadheads maybe.
Yeah. You know, you bang up a broadhead long enough. You, I, I shoot fixed blades, single bevels now, so I can sharpen 'em for a long time. But eventually they just, you gotta retire. Um, arrows, a lot of people may not know this, but your carbon will degrade in your arrow. Right, right. You know, the, everything works fine, but, You just lose that stiffness.
And that might be why your groups over time are just starting to widen out a little bit. Yeah. So eventually you gotta [00:44:00] replace those things. I having a boot cycle, me and my brother really like buying, uh, the next pair of boots, about two thirds of the way through. And now you have a good water pair when you need it, but if it's not raining, don't wear your new pair.
You keep that old pair going. That's a great idea. Yeah. You're gonna need two pairs of boots anyway. When you go out west. Like if you're going out west without two pairs of boots, you're setting yourself up for one heck of a game at roulette.
[00:44:25] Dan Johnson: Yeah. Yep. I've been there. Uh, actually not. This year, this, or this past year, but the year before we got caught in a rainstorm and soaked head to toe, we decided to go in and get a hotel room.
And, uh, my boots did not dry even on a, on a boot dryer. They did not dry and they were not ready for the next hunt. And luckily, I, I brought a old pair of boots with me and I don't know, I would've not been able to hunt that whole next. if I did not have those extra boots with me. And so, man, that, that would've, that would've sucked not to be [00:45:00] able to hunt.
[00:45:01] Brian Krebs: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'll hunt with wet feet, but you're gonna pay the price. You're gonna get blisters. I
[00:45:05] Dan Johnson: mean, yeah. It's just uncomfortable. Yeah. Yeah. Let me ask you this, this, and this is where I was gonna go before we started talking about how to save money and, and that is, there's a couple. , man. Th there are some products out there from some companies that are just, and when I mean top end, they're the top end of the top end, all right?
And so I, I actu, you know, I don't wanna judge this, this company yet, but I, cuz I want them, I want them on the podcast to talk about what goes into the cost of this product. But Expedition has come out with, uh, a bow that's damn near 2000. For a compound bow. Wow. And so it is, and I think it is because of the material they use in their riser.
Uh, it just costs more. And, and there's some, there's some benefits to it, but what are your thoughts [00:46:00] on products like that? Like, I mean, do you ever see yourself buying a, a $2,000 bow and, and what would that bow have to do in order for you to justify spending?
[00:46:14] Brian Krebs: Ooh, on a bowl. Um, I would really have to see the tech, cuz I think everyone is kind of aware that the, the technology of compound bows is really at a wall right now.
Like, there's not a lot they can do anymore. And besides fine tuning it, but man, I would love to see for that kind of money, I'm talking like I'd wanted to have like a hundred feet per second jump in speed without sacrificing like shoot ability. Right, right. It's like because, because. You know, if you read the Ed Ashby studies, like there's guys with 50 pound recurves killing water buffalo.
Yeah. Every shot like it's arrow construction. Like so my boat can kill anything in North America if I put the arrow in the right spot with the right product. Right. So do I need that? No. Do I want good [00:47:00] quality gear in other aspects? Sure. Right. I mean, yeah, there's different, definitely the cry once by once policy applies to, to gear like that.
Um, And then I do like, I like being at the top end of, of gear. I might take a long time to, to get it right, like I, it took me five years to fill out my sit cup. Needs, right. The system. Yeah. Um, but you know, now I have that incinerator set for late season hunts, and I'd never, I've haven't been cold since I bought it.
Yeah. You know, so Yeah. There's some things that you talk about, like 15, $1,600 for a set of clothes on jacket and a bibs. It's kind of on par with a $2,000 bow. Yeah. Unfortunately, the rest of the bows aren't far behind them anymore either, so. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:47:46] Dan Johnson: No, I don't know, man. I just, I, I look at some of this and I go.
you'd have to be, and it almost makes me want to do this. And this is a, here's a thought that I had this year, and I, if you're listening to me, [00:48:00] uh, this, I, I would like the listeners' help on this. Go to the Nine Finger Chronicles, uh, Instagram page. Send me a dm. I wanna find the cheapest compound bow that's currently available.
That, and, and there's some stipulations here. Uh, it would be have to, it would have to have a 30 inch. and it would have to have 70 pound draw weight. Outside of that, I would really love to shoot the cheapest compound bow on the market this year, this upcoming year. Maybe think I'd think about it, uh, and.
And just see how, like, what my confidence level is after shooting it a whole bunch of times compared to some of these other flagship bows and, and these really popular, uh, manufacturers of this. And if it is so night and day that in fact I c like I, I, I wouldn't feel confident shooting a deer with it.
Does that make sense?
[00:48:56] Brian Krebs: Oh yeah. I mean, what comes to mind is the mission craze. [00:49:00] Um, those mission bows, like entry level, they. , 18 to 30 inch draw adjustability and 15 to 70 pound weight adjustability. My nephews shoot 'em because my brother bought 'em when they're growing. Yeah, and it's like, I can buy this one boat.
and like people, my, I had a ex-girlfriend a long time ago was shooting one at 40 pounds at 24 inch draw. Yeah. And she spot and stocked 154 inch whitetail on our farm to six yards. He was wounded. Yeah. And double lunged him. Passed through complete pass through. So it's like, like what you're saying, like I think what you're getting at is like, is the very entry level bow good enough to do what I need to do?
And probably, it probably just isn't the same feel, but like with the ex expedition archery bow, $2,000 like that isn't that much different than the Matthews and the Hoyt flagships. They're at 1800 for their carbon bows.
[00:49:51] Dan Johnson: Yeah, yeah. Great point. Great point. Yeah. I just can't, I don't know, man. I, I have a, it's for some reason I can't [00:50:00] get behind a, a full carbon.
right now. I, I, I had such a bad experience with a carbon bow in the past that I did. I just did not like the way it felt, and it's been a long time. So I'm sure there's been upgrades since then, but I just can't get behind a hundred percent carbon. I just can't, for some reason. And, uh, maybe I need to go shoot a couple of these new b new bows to, uh, to get the real feel.
[00:50:24] Brian Krebs: I've never shot one, but I, from what I understand, the big, the big seller is weight, right. Well, my bow weighs with 10, 11 pounds anyway, so yeah, I don't care if I save eight ounces on the bare bow cuz I. A bar with weight out front. Yeah. And a back bar. And that's what I hunt elk with. Like I carry this 10 pound bow, my rifle, my elk hunting rifle weighs 13 and a half pounds after I put the Vortex Viper 50 power scope on it, or sorry, 50 millimeter scope on it.
Yeah. So yeah, I'm not a, I'm not cutting ounces. I'm a big dude. Like if I needed to save some weight, I could easily lose 50 pounds. . [00:51:00]
[00:51:00] Dan Johnson: Same here, dude. I got the tire around the waist. If I were, if I wanted to cut weight and I, and I tried to actually. , you know, uh, you know, here coming up, I'll, I'll, I actually do try to lose weight going into September and say, Hey, 10 pounds off the knees, man.
That's what, that's the goal. 10 pounds off the knees. Yeah. Right.
[00:51:19] Brian Krebs: So that's what, that would be way better all around to lose that 10 pounds than 10 ounces on a bones, pay another $800 for it. Right.
[00:51:26] Dan Johnson: Well, and another thing is, is like on some of the places that I, that I hunt, I would rather take 10 pounds off my body and then replace that with 10 pounds of, of.
you know? Yeah. So I, so I wouldn't have to go find water or I wouldn't have to, you know, I don't know. Go, go take care of that whole thing every single day. But, um, other than that, when it comes to, you know, budgeting or ways to save, uh, you know, where, where, where else is, is there anything else that we could, uh, talk
[00:51:57] Brian Krebs: about?
Well, one thing that I do, and this is [00:52:00] gonna be personal preference, but, um, I live in a big enough city. So they have biolife plasma donation, and. , right now they're paying 140 bucks a week. It's about an hour a time. Mm-hmm. , you know, two times a week. So it's doing two hours a week. It's coming out to just about 70 bucks an hour.
Yeah. To go donate plasma. And if you do that for a month, I mean, you're talking 56, you know, 560 bucks a month in. Extra cash. And so for someone like you, Dan or or somebody else that just, you know, they got the bug hook line and sinker. They wanna do as much as possible, get all this different stuff in every year.
And they're coming up to that, that pain point in the relationship of like, budget money, we gotta save. That's one way where you can get some extra money on the side. Yeah. Without very much time. And all of a sudden, you know, you know, four months you could have the expedition bow. Yeah. Or a redneck blind.
You do it one month, you could have a new pair of boots or a new. Um,
[00:52:53] Dan Johnson: and you said a hundred and how much is it? 180 bucks a week. Right now it's
[00:52:58] Brian Krebs: 140 bucks a week. So you're doing hundred [00:53:00] 40
[00:53:00] Dan Johnson: times? Yeah. 52. So that's, that comes out to seven grand a year. Mm-hmm. for one hour of your day? Twice a week?
[00:53:09] Brian Krebs: Twice.
[00:53:09] Dan Johnson: So two hours a week.
Oh, two hours. Oh, so it's twice a week. Okay. Twice a week.
[00:53:12] Brian Krebs: Two hours a week. You, but still seven grand a year for two hours a week. Yeah. And, um, so yeah, that's one really cool way to get some gear, add some trail cameras, and, and not have to. Your family budget is hard.
[00:53:24] Dan Johnson: Yeah. That's a no-brainer. And you're, and you're doing something good for mankind in a way, in a
[00:53:30] Brian Krebs: way.
I think there's a lot of, they say you're saving lives. I think it's a lot of corporate pharmaceutical dollars getting laid off . Yeah. So one day it's not as, yeah, it's not as noble as donating blood. But you're still helping in a
[00:53:42] Dan Johnson: way. Well, one day what's gonna happen is you're gonna be walking out somewhere and you're gonna see an exact replica of yourself.
They're, they're using your, your, uh, your blood and. Uh, plasma to clone humans, and then it, his yeah. Turns into a, a science fiction novel. From there, Hey, I'd love [00:54:00] to have
[00:54:00] Brian Krebs: a replica of myself. I'd make him work all day, and then I'd go
[00:54:03] Dan Johnson: have fun . That would be sweet, wouldn't it? To own a slave of yourself.
That's a whole, that's a whole nother topic. Yeah. They want to cover that on, on just, just how cool would it be to have another version of. If I had another version of me that would be like, okay, you sit up on this ridge, you stay with your eyes on this, and then I'm gonna move into position to try to kill this Neil Deer.
And you just kind of tell me what, which way he's gonna go. Or you know, you, I'll look back up at you in my binos and you're gonna give me signs and cloning humans. That would be sweet in a kind way. You're
[00:54:45] Brian Krebs: gonna Android. Build this. Yeah. Help me pack this out. You know, cook for me. I just got
[00:54:50] Dan Johnson: back to camp.
Yeah. Yep. That would be sweet, man. Yeah, that would be sweet. Uh, well, I'll tell you what, uh, I really appreciate you taking time outta your [00:55:00] day to hop on and, uh, and chat today, man. Thank you very much. And uh, man, hopefully you don't spend too much money this, this season.
[00:55:08] Brian Krebs: Yeah, no, we won't be because we are gonna be buying or building a house later this year.
My wife is, Finishing up her residency, and so she'll be getting a full-time job, and then we got some big things to tackle. So yeah, it's gonna be a, it's gonna be an efficient year, I'll say that. Well,
[00:55:24] Dan Johnson: good luck with that, my friend. Thank you. All right. Take care, man. Yep.