How Turkey Hunting Can Make You a Better Deer Hunter

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Deer hunting or turkey hunting, what's your favorite? For many of us, deer hunting is our first love. There's nothing like a crisp November morning in the stand, blind, or saddle to get the blood flowing. But for the hunter looking to broaden his horizons, there are tons of opportunities out there. While there are a wide variety of species to chase come fall and winter, there aren't very many seasons open as the temps warm up and the days grow longer. Enter spring turkey hunting. An absolute blast in its own right, turkey hunting is certainly a different ballgame than hunting whitetails. But what if I told you the spring turkey hunting can also make you a better deer hunter?

In this episode of the How to Hunt Deer Podcast, Josh and Pierce discuss ways that hunting spring gobblers can help you be a better deer hunter next fall. The guys discuss gear, terrain features, strategy, and talk a little about their upcoming hunt for turkey in WI. Enjoy!

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All right. Joining me for this week's episode of the How to Hunt Dear Podcast is Mr. Pierce Nellis Pierce. Welcome back to the show, buddy. Thanks for having me back, man. Good to see you. Absolutely. It sounds like there might be a little bit of a delay in our audio here. So for those of you listening to this sorry about that.

You just might have. Just might have to deal with it. But anyway, Pierce, man, we got a couple of things that are coming up on our [00:01:00] docket. We've got a Turkey hunt coming up together. Yes, sir. Next week. Looking forward to it, man. Oh, hopefully le less than a week now. Yeah. Yeah. So I leave tomorrow, hopefully this time next year or next week.

We'll we'll be sitting there high fiving over a dead bird. Oh my gosh. I hope so. Dude, I hope it happens before this time next week, to be honest. Yeah, right yesterday. So I am I'm leaving tomorrow, driving up to Iowa. I will be hunting in Iowa for a couple of days, hopefully get a bird on the ground there, then heading over to Wisconsin, hopefully getting a bird there.

And man, I'm just pumped, like I have I've not been out Turkey hunting by myself. That is without my kids all season. And I've been chomping at the bit, like I cannot. To get out there and get after it absolutely, man. Man, before we jump too far into the episode, because I'm going to record this and then throw it up live, I need to say thanks to our partners.

Pierce and first of all, tact Cam. They're the title [00:02:00] sponsor of the show. And I was showing you this handy dandy little guy before. Yes, sir. Before we got recording. And if you're not watching this, you're just listening to it. You can't see it, but this is the new Tact Cam 6.0 camera. Man, that little screen on there is fantastic.

The video footage the quality is awesome, shoots 4K video. I haven't gotten to toy around too much with the extra features as far as like operating the Zoom and stuff on. But wow, what a what a sweet little setup there with that screen and everything. Look at that. You get a good shot of the insulation on the roof of my attic there, Pierce or the roof of my basement.

So anyway, but you can go get one right now. Att I think they've still got their Ultimate Turkey package special going on. It's 299 bucks. We'll get you a 6.0 camera a spare battery and a barrel mount. So I think you're gonna save something like 50 bucks or something with that package. So really good deal going on with that right there.

Next up hunt. Man, I'm using the Tarin pattern. It's gonna blend in super well. I have a [00:03:00] feeling early season for turkeys in Wisconsin, which can be gray and dreary pierce. How are things looking up there? Is it starting to green up at all?

The grass is green. The woods are pretty I don't know, pretty bleak still. I would say. I did notice some. Honeysuckle starting to bud out and stuff here. And a lot of the trees honestly are, we're supposed to get quite a bit of rain this weekend, unfortunately, for your Iowa Turkey hunt. But I'm thinking by the time, I think Monday you said that's supposed to wrap up or even Sunday weather should be looking pretty darn good.

So I'm, I've got a feeling things are probably gonna given, the 80 degree weather we've had here in. Wisconsin and Iowa for the last week here, I'm under the impression things are gonna green up pretty darn quick, but yeah, regardless, I gotta film that tar is gonna look, root patterns gonna look pretty darn good.

Yeah, I thi I think so. It's got enough open. Openness to it and enough grays and enough browns that and it's got just a little bit of a green [00:04:00] to it that I, I think it's gonna do really well. But yeah, I highly recommend what I'm gonna be wearing, which is the Durham lightweight pants. They're super thin.

They're super airy. They also have reinforced knees and a reinforced seat, which is nice. If you're crawling around after turkeys or sitting up against the tree, you can go find all And then finally, OnX Pierce, how much have we been using OnX for the last. Two weeks trying to get ready for some of this hunting.

Oh god. Probably more than we should be. Countless hours. Dude, I've had so many times where my wife just like rolls over and is like in bed at night and she rolls over. She's what are you doing? Looking at maps, she's it's midnight. Why are you still looking at maps? But honestly, I talked about this on the Wisconsin Sportsman intro this past.

I went from Pierce tells me that there are 22 tags left over in Iowa, or he tells me there are tags left over and I go look, and there are 22 of them. I went from that to like totally ready sending pierce [00:05:00] points, dropping pins and sending those to Pierce saying, Hey, take a look at all these public spots within a week, two weeks, something like that.

Dude, within two or three days, you had Hey dude, you got a lot of public around you. Holy crap. Yeah, there's a lot going on here. Yeah, exactly. And so the man, I, you were finding spots that I didn't even know about, dude, there were a bunch I couldn't believe it. So I dropped a pin on my.

Campsite, and then I did the 10 mile. It lets you do a 10 mile radius bubble around a location. So I put the 10 mile radius on there and I just started marking public spots inside of that 10 mile bubble. And then went outside it just a little bit. So I'm, I've probably got a 12 to 15 mile bubble.

Around the place where I'm gonna be camping, which is a super nice campground, called a guy. He was like, no, we're not open yet, but I'll open up for you if you don't need water. And I was like, absolutely. I don't need any water. Lock it in. Yeah. I was like, I won't even be, I won't be there during the day anyway but anyway, yeah. So with OnX I was able to pick those out. Then I went through and filtered out all the public that I found saying, okay, is [00:06:00] this a good spot? Is that a bad spot? And then I marked a couple and I'm like, Pierce, please go look at. Before I get there. But I think we've got, I think we've got some good options, man.

Absolutely. Good. A lot of ground to work with. A lot of ridge tops, a lot of fields. And that's kinda the cool thing about this part of Iowa. There's, it's just, technically it's like on the, I guess it's not quite edge of the drift list, but Yeah, more or less like on. You don't have to go far western edge of the drift list.

Yeah, exactly. And just the rolling hills and between the farmland and just how fertile the land is and everything around here. It's rural. It's definitely rural, I would say as growing up in Southwest Wisconsin is more rural around here than it was around there.

But it, that's why I was so famous for the outstanding hunting that there is around here. I just gotta switch my residency now and get in on the action. Yeah, there you go. I, hopefully I'm gonna be getting in on some of that action this this spring. But guys, if you want to go get a [00:07:00] free trial for OnX, you can go find them on the app store of your choosing and get a seven day free trial if you're not already using it.

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So head over, check 'em out if you have questions. Now, Pierce, we are here to talk about deer hunting today. All right we've got turkeys on the brain but we've gotta talk about deer hunting because this is the How to Hunt Deer podcast. So what I wanna do today while I've got turkeys on the brain, is I wanna talk about how Turkey hunting has helped make me a better deer hunter and vice versa.

How deer hunting has also made me a better Turkey hunter, but mostly focusing on that, lessons I picked up from the Turkey woods that have made me better when it comes to hunting deer. And I don't think it's any accident that I [00:08:00] have what I would consider leveled up my woodsmanship skills over the last three years.

Have I increased the amount of time I spend in high quality areas? Absolutely. But at the same time, I'm having more and better encounters with nicer bucks and with more Toms and I think that's because I've just extended my, my, my year, right? Like I didn't do a lot of Turkey hunting before moving to Wisconsin.

And I think just being out in the timber reading sign of all different kinds, paying attention to the woods. Has just made me that much of a better hunter. So I wanna run through a couple things and say, these things have specifically carried over into my deer hunting. So when I say Pierce, how has Turkey hunting helped your deer hunting?

What's maybe the first thing that you'd say, or like the biggest take home for you?

Man, I was thinking about this all morning and. I really think the biggest thing, like the biggest benefit to, the Turkey hunting and deer hunting and, really [00:09:00] doing both of them throughout the year and also pursuing some fall turkeys as well, is just the amount of scouting that gets done when you're out in the field year round.

It does extend your. I gotta take a quick minute here just real quick too, to also just say I was turkeys on the brain until I listened to you and Sam Bill Horn. Talk about the April whitetail checklist on the Wisconsin Sportsman Podcast. Dude, that was unreal. And that made me shift right back into deer mode and that made me want to go out and cut some trails and.

Plant some trees and all that good stuff. So yeah, man, that was a good one, Sam. Sam. And go check that out. Cause it was phenomenal. Dude. Sam is just a wealth of knowledge. I love having him on as much as I can. And yeah, that launched this past Tuesday. So if you're listening to this is gonna launch on a Friday.

If you're listening to this, just go back to Tuesday's episode of the Wisconsin Sportsman. We talk about Sam Bill Horn's, April Whitetail C. And we talk about all kinds of stuff. We talk about mock scrapes, we talk about setting up hunting locations. We talk about specifically about trimming shooting lanes and where [00:10:00] people go wrong this time of year.

We talk about hunter access. We talk about planting bear root trees. We talk about cutting in bedding. We cover all of it, but probably my, I would say it's right up there for me with the October. Hunting strategy episode that I did with Sam back in the fall. I think those are probably the best two that we've done together, and I think he and I have probably recorded eight or so shows together at this point.

Anyway, sorry. All of 'em are phenomenal. Sorry to interrupt. Yeah, that was a really good show. So thanks for that. Plug Pierce. But, all right, so turkeys the amount of scouting that you're doing throughout the. So particular when I'm deer hunting, that's when I end up, I find that I'm doing the majority of my Turkey scouting throughout the year.

Really? Like I'm always dropping pins at first light when I hear birds not necessarily gobbling, although there were a couple times, just cuz it's, far less seldom in the fall. But I remember texting you in October a couple times and even during Wisconsin's rifle. That I like.

And there was a day during the gun [00:11:00] season that I had five or six Toms gobbling at each other from different ridge tops while I was deer hunting. Wow. In November. And I just couldn't believe it. But really what I'm doing is taking note of where are they feeding at and where are they coming from, where are they roosting at the beginning and the end of the day.

And I'm dropping pins there and I'm, while I'm sitting in my tree stand, freezing my butt off, waiting for a deer to come. I am mentally planning and, pulling up OnX like we talked about there. And I'm kinda looking at okay so they were roosted in this little hollow and they pitched down into here and then they, hung out there for a minute and then they walked out into this field and they did, just keeping tabs on what all of these birds are doing.

Throughout their day where they're feeding, where they're finding acorns. Cause a lot of times, turkeys will lead you right to the acorns and you can hear hens and really all turkeys putting around and scratch and do all doing all sorts of stuff, digging up acorns.

Which a lot of times too can lead you right to the deer. Yeah, that's a really good point. I ran this past Jeremy Derham, who I had on the [00:12:00] Wisconsin Sportsman a couple of weeks ago, and he's a guide for he and he does Turkey and waterfowl hunts. And one of the things that. Let me add another awesome episode.

Oh, dude. To a Stella Jar. He, I reached out to him like right after we were, right after I edited that episode, I reached out to him and I was like, dude, you need to do this more often, because, he's just really good. But he's all, he's all over the place. He's got his hands in a lot of different things, and so he's out in the hunting space.

He's just more, from what I can tell, behind the scenes. He's like the guy that everybody. If that makes sense. Yep. You go read some articles on waterfowl hunting right now. He, they're probably gonna quote him at some point, but one of the things that he and I covered was exactly what you said.

Those places that seem to hold fall and winter birds, they, it seems like they almost always hold birds in, in the spring as. It seems to be a consistent thing, whereas when you're out deer hunting, if you hear 'em [00:13:00] or you mark, you're marking ru preferred RO roost locations, those are spots that you can at least depend on some of the time when it comes to hunting spring birds.

But yeah, that's a really good point. Just the amount of scouting. And I think for me, that's a, one of, one of the things that's on my list is just the way that I view the woods, right? Like I, I have a more critical eye. I've developed a more critical eye when it comes. Looking at and evaluating and keeping my eye out for for sign in general, whether that's deer sign or Turkey sign or whatever it is.

I'm gonna go with, here's my first one. My, what I think may be one of my biggest ones is understanding how animals use terrain. Like terrain and animal movement seems to be pretty consistent, right? If a Turkey is gonna walk a route, the deer probably gonna walk that same kind of route.

Now I don't mean that Tom crossed the ridge right there when I was calling to him and he was coming in. Therefore, that's what a big buck is gonna do. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying when [00:14:00] you sit back and you watch turkeys, do what turkeys do, moving throughout the landscape, watch how they side hill the ridge.

Watch how they use bottoms. Watch how they use ridge tops. Watch how they use saddles. Like man, turkeys love saddles in hill country, maybe even more than deer do in hill country. Watch how turkeys roost at the ends of points. Just like you expect deer to bed at the ends of points in hill country.

So much goes into informing how animals move. And it just seems that there, there is a consistency. Between deer movement and Turkey movement such that I have really learned how animals like to use the landscape no matter what it is. Just how they move through. And so what that means is when I start finding sign and I'm trying to narrow it down, okay, it's great that there's sign in this 200 yard span, but what spot within this 200 yard span is the place where I can kill something, right?

And then [00:15:00] that's where the train feature comes in. When you say, They're most likely going to travel right here most of the time, so that's probably the biggest. The biggest takeaway for me is Turkey hunting has made me a better deer hunter because it's made me just look at terrain all the more seriously, and it's given me, it's given me one more opportunity to sit back and observe the way animals move.

That maybe you don't get during the fall what's your next question? Understanding too, just go ahead. I was just gonna add to that, understanding and, just thinking critically on why are they moving through there, yeah. Why are they in that saddle?

Why are they working across the hillside in this manner? What is there that's, beneficial to them, whether it be cover, whether it be. You name it the ridge top, being high up on a ridge, top on the end. Obviously deer and turkeys are there for different reasons, especially in the spring.

They're roosted up down the points that they can project their sound and everything, down into the valleys off that point. Whereas deer, more so there for for protection and Sure safe [00:16:00] bedding and all that. Just thinking critically about what, like when you see animals do stuff, whether you're Turkey hunting and you see a deer, or whether you're deer hunting and you see a Turkey, just asking yourself, taking a minute and just be like, huh, why is that animal there?

Why is it doing that at this point? Cause yeah, a lot of times they'll tell you the answer right there. That's real. That's a really good point, man. Just that step of asking why and really putting some thought into the answer, and it doesn't mean we're that our answer to the why is always gonna be.

But it sure means we're gonna be connecting a lot more pieces than than we may have previously. And that snowballs quick too, once you start seeing that stuff, then it's oh, okay, I saw a bunch of birds here. I wonder if, I should look for scat or scratch marks or anything like that.

Same with rubs, deer trails, tracks, whatever it may be. It makes you, once you see it in one. All of a sudden you start recognizing it that much more quickly. And you can as you then start, say you drop a pin, whether it be, ees scouting, or when you're just hiking on public and you're like, [00:17:00] okay, like I saw a lot of sign here that looks similar over there.

I'm gonna go check that out. And, vice versa. If you're seeing a bunch of sign, you dropped some pins, you get home that night, you pull up OnX or whatever map you're using, and you're like, ok, this is kinda what the situation looks like. I'm gonna go see if I can find something else similar to that, yeah. On that property, maybe whether it be a bigger or smaller version of that. A lot of times those, whether, like you said saddles, tail tops, ridge points all that stuff. A lot of times, Even if it's on a more micro scale than the big one, a lot of times it still serves the same function to those animals.

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Share your hunt with tcam. I think that's I probably haven't done as much that I need to do more of is taking those spots where, okay I'm confirming animal movement through here, whether it's deer, turkeys, whatever. I'm confirming deer bedding here, I'm confirming deer travel here. Let's go back to the map after that and try to find other places that look like that.

That's a step that I feel like I forget, like I get caught up [00:19:00] in the spot that I. And I kind of stick that in my back pocket and I start hunting it, and then I'm just onto the next thing without necessarily trying to always bring it back and correlate that. And I need to do, I need to do a bit more of that, but what's the next thing, Pierce, next way that Turkey hunting has helped you get better.

Deer hunter.

This one's a little bit of. I don't know if it's an unconventional answer or not, but it really in a weird way, helps me dial in my gear and it helps me dial in okay, what pockets am I putting stuff in? What's the best method to layer here? And then I'll, I was talking to a buddy this morning about another brand of Hunting clothing that just released new gear and new pair of pants and stuff.

And he asked my thoughts on it and was like, I like it. Like I, it looks pretty cool. Like the fabric looks great and all that, the pockets on the front look like they would just annoy the crap out of me because especially when Turkey hunting, when I'm buying gear just like you are, [00:20:00] most folks, you wanna buy something, you can wear four turkeys, four deer, and I was thinking about it and I was like, dude, if I'm sitting at the bottom of a tree, slouched up against it with my legs bent, my knees up, and my shotgun rested on my knee. I don't want my pockets to be right on top of my thighs because then I can't grab my calls. I can't grab my striker, I can't grab my rangefinder.

Like it, it's a huge pain in the butt, having pockets right on the front of your. Rather than maybe off to the side or having a zip pocket or something like that. Cause I'm I don't like carrying, I carry all the gear that I need, but I don't like carrying anything extra. I try and keep it as lightweight as possible.

Like I'm even reluctant to bring a backpack with me most of the time. Unless I'm saddle hunting. Of course, other than that, I'm stuffing my pockets. I'm keeping everything just on my person. Rather than worrying about toting a bag in there, I wear my backpack for turkeys just cause I don't run a Turkey vest.

And I had this old field and screen camel backpack, but I just took a carabiner and clipped an old, like a tree stand. Like [00:21:00] the cushions that you can buy at Farm and Fleet and all that. Yeah, just an old camo. One of those. You've seen my setup. I dude, you your little camo bag is, it's not special at all, dude.

It's sweet though. It's legit. It's low profile and I don't know. It's it's almost like it's form fitting. Oh, yeah. Know what I mean? It's, I think I bought it in like high school or something like that for 20 bucks or something. But it's got, the spot for the little, the camelback, the water pouch and stuff like that.

Yep. And for turkeys and stuff I'll just stuff an extra t-shirt or a jacket or something in the back, and then it's, gives it some cushion when I'm leaning up against the trees, it's a little bit more comfortable too. Yep. But, I'm always looking at my gear throughout Turkey season and throughout deer season about you know what this doesn't work that well for me.

Yeah. I should be switching stuff around to here, or, hey, it actually makes more sense for me to clip my range finder here rather than, stuffing it in my pocket or something like that. Or not swinging around too much here and it's clinking against stuff and making a bunch of noise.

I really use, Turkey and deer season, year round, just always tweaking the gear set [00:22:00] up and just where I put stuff year round. Yeah, that's really good. I saw that product release as well. And I wanna be clear, there are several camo companies out there who are producing high quality camouflage.

I happen to think that your value for the money is going to be hunt worth, wins, hands down. And that's not just because they support the show. It's because you're not gonna break the bank. You're gonna get a high quality pattern. That, for me, has been the most effective pattern that I've ever used. And clothing that's gonna keep you super comfortable all day long again without spending a thousand dollars or way more.

But there are other companies that produce high quality gear as well. Some would be considered more technical gear, like a first light. And I'll be perfectly honest, when I saw that little video and saw those little thigh pockets, I thought, what a terrible design. Like I wanna know. Yeah. I wanna know who put [00:23:00] those pockets on the thighs so that I can just be, shake 'em a little bit and be like, do you saddle?

Do you? Do you Turkey hunt? Do you right. Do you ever sit down? Cause if you sit down that's not convenient. You know it's just not going to be Right. The most convenient place for it. And that's not to say they don't make good gear, cuz they do, they make really good gear, their Marino stuff.

And also is out of this world quality. And also it, and to say that they don't have other lines of gear that are more geared towards Turkey stuff. That's right. You know what I mean? I'm, yep. I believe, we'll just go out and you already dropped the name. It was first light, but I looked at those pants and I was kinda like, wait a minute.

Like what? But they did say it is geared for. High temp presumably, I think I saw or the ad that I saw was like, they were pronghorn hunting. It was like 90 degrees out and stuff like that. Yeah. And I'm sure for that it's awesome. Yeah. It's like I would, cause there are also days too where, you've don't get me wrong, like I've got I run mostly first flight stuff and I have no complaints about it.

I really don't. Yeah. I'm a huge fan of that gear, huge fan of the patterns and all.[00:24:00] But at the same time, there's so many other pants where, you're right. Cause I was thinking about it too. Cause I run the obsidian pants and in that same conversation this morning with my buddy, I was I like 'em a lot.

They're great pants super breathable, super moisture wicking. But there are times where although it's got. What's it called? Like the rip stop, where it's like it's sewn in like a grid pattern yep. It is in that rip stop fabric. There are times that it just feels a little bit like I'm wearing sweatpants and there's times that I love that, but there's also times where I'm busting brush and I'm crawling through a bunch of crap.

Yeah. And I'm like, you know what? Double layered knees and double layered seat. And then like when you mentioned the Durham pant from Hunt worth, I was like, Yeah, I might have to give that a shot. I dunno. We'll see, I'm telling you, that has been the winner for me because, you know where I hunt in Wisconsin?

Where I hunt down south, like the stuff that I go through like wool or super soft shell kind of stuff. You're just gonna ruin [00:25:00] it and it people say no, it's durable. It's durable. It's yeah, I believe it's durable, but I also believe it's gonna be so full of B briars and brambles when I get back that I'm gonna have to throw it.

You know what I mean? It's just gonna just hold all of that stuff. Now I know they have some stuff that doesn't do that as well, so there's a tool and an application for anything. But yeah, you're right. That's, that stuff is made for what they said is the hot and humid. So it's not just specifically hot weather, it's when temperatures and humidity are hovering around that 90. That's when you need that stuff. Anyway, that, that's interesting. But man I'm gonna give my next thing here. We got about, we got time for about one more, and I need to run and pick up some kids from school here.

We're pushing it. This may be my top one. Eh, it's up there. It's not the top one. The terrain one's my top one woods in adrenaline, in an adrenaline mode experience. Does that make sense to you? So being out in the woods and [00:26:00] pumped up with adrenaline and still making good hunting decisions, still moving quietly, still keeping my head right and taking the shot at the right moment.

That's what Turkey hunting does for me and has taught me and slowed me down in the whitetail woods so that I am in, when I'm in the same condition. Of being in the woods. Yeah. And full of adrenaline I can. They're a better move, and I think I saw that this year. I've shot totally, I've shot a pile of turkeys, these last couple of years, and every year I get a little bit better and a little bit more confident when it comes to the moment of truth on a whitetail when I have a bow in my hand.

I'm just a little bit more present when. I'm taking the shot. It doesn't mean all the shots have gone how I want them to go. It just means, I'm a little bit more present when I'm taking the shot. And I think it's just because I shoot more living things if I'm Turkey hunting, right? If I'm deer hunting, I get one, two, maybe three shots a year.

If I'm Turkey hunting, I get [00:27:00] three shots real quick in a season, maybe four or five depending on how I play my cards. And that's a big one for me, being able to be in the. Filled up with adrenaline, jacked up with a golin Turkey, and still be able to be present in the moment. Make the good choice, make a good shot, and be ethical about it.

Absolutely, man, I that is, I, that's something that I've never thought about before, but you hit the nail right on the head can you imagine if 160 inch whitetails gobbled? Oh my god, dude. If they, if the, if they had that chest rattling percussion of their gole or something like that, not that you don't get jacked up when you have a big, butt come cruising in, but there's something about.

Really just pissed off, Tom rolling in full strut and he's spitting his drummer and they, flicking his sn and he gets in, sub 40 yards and he gobbles and it just rattles your ribcage. Yeah, I mean there's something about that adrenaline there. [00:28:00] And granted, I remember the first year at Turkey hunted and I I didn't get one and I was at the archery range when I was living down in Illinois and I was talking to this guy and I was like, damn man, I'd never Turkey on it before.

And first morning we had this birdie, he flew right down and he hung up at like probably 60 yards up in this field. But he was gobbling. And dude, I was just like getting rattled by this thing. I couldn't believe it. And he just looks at me, he goes, dude, get a 700 pound bowl. Bugle at oh, at 30 yards you'll piss yourself.

Yeah. So that may need to I think the ultimate adrenaline conditioning may be may be those the Western pursuits, but the same time from a Midwest perspective, and I mean for, like you said, you just a shot opportunity perspective and just cheap tags, you can get 'em anywhere. Yeah.

People are way more willing to like, let you just come on and out to their farm and try and smack a bird, whatever reason, more territory about deer and all that. Yep. Dude, you hit it right on the head there for sure. That is the ultimate, like the best adrenaline conditioning. Oh [00:29:00] yeah, absolutely.

Dude, quick question. I've literally got one minute and I've gotta, I've gotta go. So when a Turkey is like up in your face and they gobble hard at you and you hear that, like while they're gobbling, you hear that doo, like in their chest, that like deep drumming kind of ra, what is that? Do you know what that's.

Yep. I always refer to it as just like the percussion of their gole. Okay. I have no clue from like a, an acoustic standpoint what they're doing with their body to create that. Yeah. So the first time that I sh, the first Turkey I ever shot got close and when he gobbled straight in my direction, I heard it and it sounded like someone was just beating on a drum.

And I asked the guy that was with me about it and he was like, what are you talking about? And I was, Dude that sound, it just rattled me from the inside and he was like, I don't know what you're talking about. Okay, nevermind. I guess I'm just a weirdo. Why? Yeah. So anyway, too many layers on What's that?

The guy had too many layers on. Must have, man. I don't know what was going on, but Pierce man. Look, I, [00:30:00] thanks for coming on the show today. I appreciate your time and talking about turkeys and that man, how hunting turkeys can make you a. Dear Hunter, why don't you tell folks real quick where they can find ya and then we're gonna have you on again on the Wisconsin Sportsman Show.

Hopefully here in a week. Hopefully we've got a dead Turkey on the ground and we can go sit around, drink a beer and record a podcast. Absolutely man. Yeah. Good chance. Fly That's my that's my guide company. You can find rates, info booking information there, specializing in Driftless truck trips on the fly.

Really thinking about adding a little bit of Walkway smallmouth action this year too. Yeah. Alright. It kinda remains to be seen, but, we got a couple of slept on fisheries here in the southwest. W. That holds some pretty fun small mouth and it's just a totally different game than most river smalley fishing.

And it's a nice hybridization of oh yeah, walking through the countryside on a stream, like you would be with trout fishing. But, we can pull out some pretty, pretty fun, angry smallies as well. [00:31:00] So that kind of remains to be seen. Folks are interested in that.

Hit me up and we can definitely make that happen, but, Right now we're focusing on trout. Our hatch season is going crazy right now. I heard up in Baruch, but yesterday they had some crane flies ca. So the first CAEs of the year really. And then we've been having our blue wings starting to show off pretty regularly here for the last couple weeks.

Nice. And oddly enough, our midge fishing has just been crazy. So a great time to get in on some awesome dry fly action and yeah, love to get you out. Awesome dude. Hey, let's team up next week. Smoke a. In the morning, record a podcast and then go fishing. That's gonna happen, man. All right, brother.

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