New Technology From Prime Archery

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As of two years ago Prime Archery has a look to their bows that set them apart from everyone else. Their quad-cam design was one of the big reasons their bows became popular with the serious bowhunters. That's why it was such a big surprise to the entire archery industry when they came out with a two cam system. On this episode, Dan talks with Chief Engineer, Nate Grace, about what that transition looked like and how it led to their new CORE Cam System on the new REVEX series lineup.  

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What's up everybody? Welcome back to the Hunting Gear podcast. I'm your host, Dan Johnson, and today we're gonna be talking with Nate Grace, the chief engineer of Prime Archery, and he's gonna break down some changes that have recently happened over the last couple years with Prime Bowes. If you were to look at a prime bow a [00:01:00] couple years ago, you would automatically know what bow that is, right?

They had the quad cam design two cams up, top two cams on the bottom. And the reason why they had that you'll hear about today, but there was a change that was coming and and there were some balancing issues and there was some stability issue. That they really couldn't nail down, so they decided to go to this new core cam design system, and that means that now there's only one cam up top and one cam on the bottom.

And that just changed. When you look at a product, any product, car, truck, a house, I don't know, you can tell the brand of it. And by taking. The the four cams away and replacing it with two you're changing the brand image. And so there's a whole discussion on that. The whole discussion on the 150 different [00:02:00] prototypes that they had to go through in order to get to what you see now with this new RevX RevX or RevX.

I'm not sure how you. But the new series that they have for 2023. So it's a really good conversation and I like the fact that I'm able to talk to an actual engineer and not a marketing or a media guy because I get to ask some pretty detailed questions to Nate that I don't feel like a marketing guy could answer.

It's a really good episode. I. Seeing. And I mentioned in this podcast that one of my favorite pod one of my favorite bows of all time was the prime logic. And so I mentioned that to him and he asked me a couple questions about it. But other than that, man, it's a really cool, informative behind the curtains type podcast about prime archery.

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With Nate Grace of Prime Archery. All right, I'm on the phone now with Nate Grace from Prime Archery. Nate, how you doing, man? Doing very good. Thanks, man. Yeah. All right and so it's been a while you've been on the podcast, I think I actually interviewed you at an ATA show, like Pre Covid ATA show, and that was the last time I spoke with you on this particular.

Oh, really? Yeah. There was there, [00:05:00] there was something before Covid, huh? Yeah, . There was a world before Covid. Absolutely. There was a world. Yeah. That's awesome. . And I love the fact, and I'll just, Preface what we talked about before I hit the record button and you said Hey I'm not the, I'm not necessarily the marketing guy.

I get paid to draw pictures and do the en some of the engineering work. And that's why I love having guys like you on the podcast because there's certain questions that I've asked in the past where a marketing. or a media guy would just say, yeah, that's a great question, but I don't necessarily know the answer.

That would be something for our engineer to, to answer. And so now that I have the engineer online here, I can, I can ask those questions, so when I get my. my back, up against the wall. We just say, I'll have to ask the marketing guys. , so there's always someone to blame, right?

There's always somebody else. Yeah. . Perfect. Okay. So for prime [00:06:00] archery, back in the day, and I, and this is his, when I say back in the day I, how many years now has it been since you guys have went from the dual cam to the single. This is their second year. Second year, okay. Yep. And so back as, as far back as two years ago, right?

Prime was known for this look with two cams, two on the top, two on the bottom, and correct it. You didn't even need to know what the brand name was. You could just look at the bow and say, that's a prime. Okay. So my first question to you is, what was the reaction? Prime got, once it went from that dual cam to the single cam it was mixed for sure.

Like you said, we knew going into it, part of our identity was the quad cam or the parallel cam or the four cam, whatever. Kind of people noticed about our bows. That was the biggest thing. There were some other differences, but obviously that [00:07:00] stood out. So a lot of our guys.

That really bought into Prime and were prime guys. They were a little bit miffed of what I thought this is, this is who you guys are. But a lot of the other guys that were always on the fence about us were like, when I can understand that now.

Yeah. The parallel cam definitely had a.

kind of the appearance of being more complex. There was a second string track, even though it was just a symmetrical track. I guess to me it was it's not functioning in a lot of ways that people interact with the bow differently. It it's handling the forces and all that stuff on the axle differently, that US engineers, could see the difference, but for the average guy, we didn't really see that as being.

a big deal. But when we switched over guys that were like, man I can't deal with five strings or seven strings, gimme three and , we'll call it good. Those kind of guys were definitely much more Hey, maybe they were staying away from Prime cuz it just seemed a little bit [00:08:00] too complex for 'em and now they're yeah, let me shoot the bow.

I could see myself owning something with three strings rather than five or more. Gotcha. It was a mixed at the beginning. And a lot of guys thought with the parallel can we, were supposed to be handling the loads on the axle differently than everybody else.

And so now that you went to a three track system, do you just not care about that? That was a natural question. And from. from 20 yards out. The R three track system looks very similar to everybody else. And the three track systems out there all have ling issues and left and right issues and stuff like that.

And so they just assume you're gonna have the same problem with yours. And, once we were able to show 'em, Hey we're doing something different. We're actually traversing the cables into and underneath the string as you draw the as you draw the string backwards. And that's how we're controlling.

The cam lean or the forces on the axle in a very similar way. Or maybe not in the same way, but the end [00:09:00] result is a very steady cam system, like the parallel. So we're not giving up the cam lane control or that horizontal not travel is what we always referred to it as any differently than the parallel came.

So we're not given that up. We still believe that's as important as it was on day. When we launched prime back in 2011. Okay. All right. And so talk to us a little bit about that step and so it sounds to me like. Just because it looks different doesn't mean it is different.

And you're still, you have still addressed the old issues with the new design of a single cambo. Get into the details about what this system, this new system is that you guys have incorporated and why it's and the technology. . Yeah. It, it goes right back to the parallel cam.

If you looked at the axle that's going through, the limb tips and through the cam, if you can imagine that a teeter-totter just like the one that you had in, [00:10:00] oh, I don't know. Depends on how old you are. They've gotten rid of a lot of the.

Playground stuff. I don't know if teeter totters are considered dangerous now. . But there was this thing called a teeter-totter. . And if the two kids that were on the end of this pole, basically, sitting on it, they were the same size. Everything was fun. The teeter-totter worked the way it was, all it took is one big kid to get on the one side and one little kid, and the big kid always won out.

, the little kid on the other side, he used, lighter half the weight or whatever his feet were dangling in the air. And this isn't fair. So that's the same thing that's naturally happened with compound bows. It's the same thing that Alan when he came up with a compound bow or the cam system mentioned that so the cool thing about the cam is, you get a leverage.

The forces. And so the tension on the string goes up a little bit and then it comes down. But on the cables, when you draw back it, they just go up up. There's really only two points in your jaw force curve where those [00:11:00] forces are equal. Outside of that, either the strings got more force or the cable's got more force.

And so that cam is basically teeter tottering or that a. Is teeter tottering. So it's leaning left and then maybe right. And obviously your string's attached to that. What's attached to your string is you're knot. And so that knot travel up, when you pull that trigger and that release that string and it's pushing that not forward it's gonna follow that cam lane And and that axle tilting.

with the parallel cam, we just split the loads of the string and put the cable tracks right down the center. So everything was completely balanced. It didn't matter when you were drawing the bow back. All the forces were balanced all the time. With typical, cams like I was talking about before.

Again, they're only balanced at two points of the jaw cycle. Other than that the string track the main feature on the cam that everybody's looking at is either tilting to the left or tilt, or to. It's never straight up and down. [00:12:00] So with this new three track system, so last year it was the inline camp system.

We updated it, it's called a core cam system this year. But what we're doing is it looks like a three track system similar to maybe Elite Hoit some of the early bot tech cams and there's probably a few other guys out there that have it. I guess Hoyt has that now is the three track as.

So if you were to start like a right-handed bow and on your right side is a cable track, a second cable track, and then the string track. And that's what R cam looks like. As you draw back those two cables will actually start to traverse. Even though all three of the string cable and second cable tracks are all side by side.

before you draw the string back. As you draw it back, those two cables actually start to move underneath each other and then underneath the the string track. And that's how we're balancing that load as you draw the bow back. So it's basically ling it doesn't mean anything. Does it [00:13:00] matter? It does because it's attached to the knock.

And what we're trying to do with this, just like the parallel cam was control that left and right, knock. Not just the vertical that everybody's been talking about for 30 years, but the left and right as well. Our core cam system on the new bows this year in the lin inline cam which had the inline cam system last year.

Basically have those traversing those laterally traversing cable tracks in order to manage that. So the buzz balance, so the buzzword, I'm gonna say words and phrases. Sorry about that, but yeah. Yeah. So the buzzword here though is balance. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yep. And so not only is the balance in the the not travel up, down left but what about Cam timing?

Does this help with CAM timing as well? Not necessarily. No. One of the things that's unique about. Is our grip isn't we're not a pull from center system like Matthews[00:14:00] is, the biggest name in, in bows. They're top and bottom cams are symmetrical. So if you were to lay 'em over top of each other, the, they're basically the same thing, but they just have cable tracks on different sides of the string trap with us where we have the we actually pull above center and.

our top and bottom camera are actually different shaped. And that's more of a way to control that vertical knock travel. It's a slave system with the cables so that our cables aren't going to the axle. There, there's no split yolk system or anything like that. So it's a slave system, so that helps.

But with our unique Bowes design. what, how we control the vertical knock travel is by having that top cam being a different shape and being larger than the bottom cam. Okay. And then that, so that offsets the center pole? Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Okay. All right. Yeah, cuz the distance from the knot to, to the top axle is shorter on arb below than if the [00:15:00] distance from the knot to the bottom axle.

Where so we're we're like, A center pole system like PSE and Matthews, what they have is that distance is equal from the knot. So their cams are symmetrical, top and bottom. Okay. All right. What I always get interested in especially with. with bow manufacturers is the round table that everybody, sits around and they have the conversation of what are we gonna do next next year.

And the year after that. And maybe even in some instances, you guys already have planned out for the next three or four years or whatever, right? When you guys were at that table and you were dis discussing. Move away from the dual cam system and get into this single cam system was there already.

Engineering and design. And like you said, all I do is draw pictures. Was there any CAD pictures and things like that had to be brought to the table first? Were you testing this the whole time? What did that conversation [00:16:00] within Prime look. I, we're a little bit we're probably different than the typical we're not quite as linear as everybody else.

At least what everybody thinks is a typical product development group, so the other bell companies may or not, I don't know. I've never worked there, so I don't know what they are, but there's, we're not quite as linear. When we started the parallel cam, we knew there were some negatives to it.

Every system has a negative. And one of, and some of the negative was there was just more metal. The two string tracks were thinner and tend to vibrate a little bit more. We thought maybe over time we could figure out ways to mitigate that and reduce that vibration.

and then there were, some other things that came up through the years, guys wanting rotating mods. The modular system on that was, a little bit hard because of the two tracks, stuff like that. So early on we were already aware of the issues. We were already working on other CAM systems that we would develop and [00:17:00] see, and test well, okay, so it solved this one problem, but now we have this new problem.

We don't like, . And we also have a, another bow brand quest that we've been doing. And so every year through that, we've developed all kinds of single cam and a half different twin cams, different slave systems through the years. So we got to be really we were quite intimate with every CAM system out there the pluses and minuses and then all the systems that we were building through the years.

So it was one of those things. , we develop a lot of stuff that never gets to the market. And it just got to be one of those where we saw we just couldn't, we couldn't manage the vibration and the noise from the parallel cam. So what do we got? So I guess what we're, what were the options?

Yeah, so we went back to engineering and went through all of our notebooks and all of our prototypes and was this. could work. We never really got it to work but boy, if we could it, it would be [00:18:00] awesome. And so we just, okay, let's do what it takes to get it to work. And I think it took just about over a year to, to finalize it.

But we, some of those prototypes and some of that knowledge was built over 12 years of just constantly building things because there's lots of times we'll just come up with an idea, Hey, this would be really cool to solve. Let's go build it. for just the simple fact of does it work? Like we don't even know because there's a lot of times when you build something you're like, yeah, that doesn't work at all. Yeah, . So we have piles of that stuff, just that we can always pull from. So sometimes, some of those halfway figured out ideas, we started six years ago, put two years.

it's just been sitting around Yeah. Since then. And yeah. And then we'll have time to finish it or maybe a fresh take on it to be able to like, oh, that hurdle that we couldn't get past or that wall we couldn't get through. We figured out how to get through it. Yeah. Is a lot [00:19:00] of that product design and prototype, is that all done in-house?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I. Through the years we've had a few, we're not the only intelligent people in the world, so there's been ideas that have come from the outside. People come up that are just passionate about it. They have a real day job, they love hunting. They prototype something and they're like, Hey, what do you think?

But yeah 99% of it is all done. . And so the reason I ask that question is because what that allows you to do then, and correct me if I'm wrong, is it allows you to almost streamline and speed up the prototype process and the development process to where you have the ability to just create a whole bunch of stuff and test it on a shorter period of time.

Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Excuse me. We spent a lot of time just on that process. Yeah. Of how do you [00:20:00] develop a CAM system. When I first started developing cams however long ago that is now 18 years ago, 20 years ago, whatever, it would take us a couple days to develop a cam, that was good enough to get onto a bow and drop back, shoot it, see what it does.

But now we can do that in about two hours. Oh, wow. We can go from a an idea to a Shootable product in about two two hours. So we've spent a lot of time through the years just developing that process. Okay. Same with limbs, risers, we, that prototype process, like you said the shorter that is, boy, you it's not just having one good idea that you get through that cycle.

It's having five or six a day that you can go. and bang out a whole bunch of stuff that you're like, Hey, that one really sucked. . Yeah, don't do that again, but we learned something. So try this next one. Okay. That one sucked a little bit less but just keep working at it and I think a lot of people [00:21:00] might have the impression, at least, maybe other places are like this, but at Prime we don't.

Where we just calculate everything on a board and then the first time you make it, it works. . I don't that's not reality. Yeah. To us here. Yeah. So this new core cam system that you guys have introduced was that just a bunch of prototyping and testing like you, you said? Or was it more of a, Hey man, we got this design, I think it's gonna work.

You, you tested it a couple times and it worked to your guys'. It's it was this one was funny cuz my right hand man for the longest time his name is Scott Prader. He's a missionary now in Thailand. Okay. But him and I, worked on everything up until about a year ago together through Prime's history.

And I just remember arguing with him about this and I was like, dude, we've tried that so many times. It's never worked. It won't work. He's no, I. , gimme one more crack at it. I'm like, all right, do whatever you think. . And then two [00:22:00] weeks later, he came back and he's I got it. I think this thing is gonna work.

And I'm like, yeah, you're right. It's performing better than I thought. But since then, we had 30, 40 revisions since that point to get to the inline cam system. And then from inline to the core cam system, which there. Fundamentally doing the same thing. They have traversing cable tracks that come underneath that string track.

With the RevX bows and the core cam system, we had over 150 prototypes a cam prototypes that we developed. And that was more trying to go after very minute not travel tunability thing. So fundamentally, we already figured all. , how to keep that load balanced on the inline cam, but just to work out, not travel with extreme, f o c short draw all the different styles of rest that are out there.

Just trying to really make is there a certain knock travel in a very [00:23:00] manu kind of way. We're not talking, a quarter inch or it's something that's even hard to measure, but is there. there that would be more tuner friendly with all the variety of setups that are up on the market today.

So we had a hundred, over 150 revs just on the core cam system from last year. Okay. So then as you guys are, fine tuning the cams, does the rest of it fall into place? And what I mean by that is all the other buzzwords that people talk about draw cycle or energy efficiency, which really is like hand shock and things like that.

Did that all fall into place, or did each one of those categories then have to be addressed? . No you're right. Every one of those had to be addressed. And that's the primary reason not the primary, but yeah I mean of those 150, yeah, there was a big swat that was for subtle, not travel changes.

Others were draw cycle of there [00:24:00] was efficiency. Yeah. It's trying to find that. ratio between everything and the compromises that you're trying to make with the different features to, to get the total package correct. Yeah. Okay. And so you, you got the cam system then doing what you want, you've reduced the knot travel like you've wanted.

 Go into the detail then about the, and we can just talk about the RevX now leaning into this new, this new bow cycle. What were some of the issues then that needed to be addressed on the RevX as you're building this bow and as you are trying to make it ready for. . Yeah, again we spent most of the time on the cam this year.

But but yeah the riser the way the riser flexes cuz every riser flexes their lungs, skinny parts. So that's the other equation. The, not travel, but that, vibration and noise come into play there as well. [00:25:00] So there, there's a lot of fine tuning there that we do with the cutouts.

And different things you can thicken and thin up areas of the top risers. So it would flex a little bit more like the bottom vice versa that we go through every year. Same with the, even the cutouts and some of that stuff in the cam as well, where you put masks and where you take it away will help the feel and the sound of the bow.

. The other one was just the the string stop. We had a little it was like a hole in the center of our string stop, which kind of seemed like it really shouldn't matter. And it was there for manufacturing purposes only, but we found that was actually making a noise when we were shooting the bow.

And so we reshaped that just. rubber piece on the end of that rod to make it quieter we were able to to, to reduce the tone of the bow by just making a ch a subtle change there. String weights, all that stuff at all plays into the feed or, sorry the feel, the speed [00:26:00] and the sound of the bow.

Okay. So there's a lot of little subtle things that are going on. Little details. , most of the time we leave out cuz the vast majority of people don't want to know all those little those details. But there's a lot that goes in every year. Yeah. And and at the end of the day, how much do people, like how much do people even care about what we're talking.

So when you get feedback from an end user, do they even care about all the details that go into these bows? Or are they more concerned of, I want to shoot a, I want to shoot a bow, I shot this bow, it's a, it feels awesome. I wanna buy it. Yeah. At the end of the day, they just they wanna pursue their passion.

Yeah. And as long as the tool or the bow. Or whatever is allowing 'em to do that. That's what they care about. And so for us, it's our job to try to interpret that back. Okay they don't know what string weights do, . Yeah. But I do. So what does that mean [00:27:00] to them? And there are things that we've spent a enormous amount of time and effort into at the end of the day that consumer doesn't even care about.

They're like I don't. . That's been a learning process for us through the years of speaking their language, even though we're all hunters ourself. That's why we started all this is cuz but we didn't really think this was gonna take off when we started G five and Prime. Yeah. Our day job was making parts for other people, other industries, but we bow hunted and that's what we cared about.

You're just one person and. , there's a lot of other people with a lot of other ideas and needs. Yeah. But generally, yeah. They don't care about why it's that way. They just want to know that this is gonna, this is gonna help. Me get that buck or that bowl or, gotcha. All right.

When you look at bows on paper, , like 32 inch axle to axle, six inch brace, height, draw [00:28:00] weight, blah, blah, blah, weight, blah, blah, blah, draw weight, blah, blah, blah. So when you look on these at some bows on paper, the, it doesn't look like much anything is changing.

really. And so the speed is relatively the same. There might be some gradual speed over the years that kind of comes with new design features or technology. Bose might get lighter because of, a carbon rise and things like that. So what actually makes a bow better in your hand than what it does on paper?

Yeah, that's what we've been trying to tackle with like you said, it's been years since the speed's really changed, weights, when the carbon be came out, that had the ability to drastically change some of the weights. Seems like carbon bows now are the same as the aluminum bows.

But yeah I think for us, what we've been focused on was one was. The bow's ability to push the [00:29:00] shaft cleanly and re and repeatedly. And that's where the knot travel, the horizontal and the vertical knot travel came in. And the features like the, our parallel cam and now going into our core cam system, the flexing cable guard the swerve on the riser, all that was the, to try to combat that the, how easy a bow is, the tune and those kind of things.

But lately we've been going after more of how that bow aims. Yeah. Which it's a little harder to to explain that. But as a shooting sport, that's like priority number one. Yeah, if you can't hit what you're intending, does anything else really matter? And so that's what we've been going after with the center grip riser design and some of the other things to be able to help.

Those aspects of our sport. Gotcha. Okay. All right. , how do you guys judge customer feedback, whether, you put a bow in someone's hand, and how does a lay person explained to an [00:30:00] engineer what needs to be done better or what they like and how, and then how do you change.

Yeah that's that's even harder to explain . It, I mean it really comes down to us engineers just being around customers more. And That's right. It, it sounds so simple that everybody on the other side, but just to be able to see people struggle with something not be able to communicate it, but you can just see they're struggling with that draw cycle.

They really don't like that, how that grip feels, or boy, they shot yesterday or last week at league really well, but today they're really struggling. I wonder why. Yeah. It's just getting into the messy part of just having more relationships with people. Yeah. That use, use this stuff and, and then opening yourself up, not trying to be so secretive of, Hey, here's a.

solution. So maybe this is part of next year's product line, but just bringing it out [00:31:00] to the public sooner and being like, Hey, try this. Does this help? Yeah, no, it makes it even worse. You're like, wow, that's weird. Yeah. And then just, yeah. Gotcha. The other thing that I I'm always interested in knowing is we have, I'm looking at the reve, the new bows from the Reve series here, and you got the 32 axle to axle, the 34 axle to axle, the 36, and then you.

The 32 and the 34 both have, six and a quarter inch brace heights. And then the 36 has the the six and three quarters. Correct. How do you guys know what specs to bring to the table? And I'm gonna ask another question after this, which is is this trend based or is this how these bows perform at the.

Well, axle. Axle is really a I mean there's a couple different styles of hunting that would dictate a longer versus shorter. And then there's just geography. Guys where there's heavy timber aren't shooting [00:32:00] as far as distances. Then guys out in the mountains in the plains where they're shooting further distance.

So there's styles of hunting and comforts and stuff as well that, that kind of dictate the axle. Axle some is jaw length. A guy with longer jaw length's going to typically shoot a longer axle, just the way that string presents itself to their face is more comfortable.

But then the rest of the stuff, brace height it, that is really driven by speed. It used to be a indigo belief, below seven. , I don't know, 10, 15 years ago. Yeah. But that's been broken and yeah. And then the, everything else follows from there.

Yeah, because I just remember I don't know. I think we're coming out of it now and I'm starting to see the minimum now be more in that 32 axial axle range. Previously we were getting into that 20. To 20, right? Yeah. Even lower axle to axle range. And I, it just felt like it was a, an industry trend.

Yeah. [00:33:00] Yeah. And I think perhaps, yeah, I'm not all knowing, but perhaps part of that reason is it seemed like the other thing that's been broken the last 10 years is that the distance when you start to take a whitetail past 20 yards, people are like that's a suspect.

Maybe they had a moral or an ethical in, complaint about that. But yeah, guys are, the equipment and everything with Rangefinders and just people's passion are there. They're just able to take longer shots more accurately than they have in the past. So I think maybe that's helped move some of this.

Yeah. Animals are still animals reaction times and stuff like that, but I've. , and you probably know guys yourself that, they can read the body language of that animal so well. Yeah. And they know that animal that they're hunting so well that they know of if they're gonna duck or if they're jittery or whatever.

People, I think just education there as well of being able to read that animal body language to be able to know that deer's only 30 yards. But man, once I pull that trigger [00:34:00] that the animal's gonna be 10 feet from right where I'm hitting, by the time the arrow gets there.

Don't take that shot. Or, that animal is so relaxed right now. You can go ahead and stretch out and make that shot that you've been shooting behind your house six months straight and, Yeah. Yeah. With a lot of confidence. So I will say this, so that's part of it.

Yeah. As well. All right. Anything else? For us part of the reason why we have typically the 34, 35 inch axle has been more of our customer wheelhouse than the shorter axle. Gotcha. That's the only other reason why we tend to be a little bit longer than everybody else as well.

Okay. Cool. Cool. I'll tell you. Nate I have in my head a list of bows that I have just loved throughout the years. One of 'em was the very first bow that I ever bought with my own money and it's because it was such a huge jump from from what I was shooting that it was, a brand new flagship bow.

And in [00:35:00] this top five of all the, all my favorite bows throughout the year, I'm, I will say that the prime logic, the first year you guys brought the logic. Was probably one of my favorite bows of all time that I've ever shot. And and then, you jumped up in that Logic series from there.

But I, I loved that bow. I loved what prime, I loved what Prime is about and and so although last year I did not get the opportunity to shoot to shoot the single cam I did this year and. You guys, that's a, it's a really good bow man. Yeah. Yeah. We've been getting really good feedback with it.

We're real happy where the product is this year. Can I ask why the logic? What was it about it that, yeah I think it might have been one of the very first bows that I ever, it might have had, I think it had limb stops. And okay. As I drew back, my anchor was rock [00:36:00] solid and Right. I just felt like I had more control over that bow and that confidence just led to better accuracy.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty common. Yeah. Yeah. I can see that. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. We're coming to the end here, so I really do appreciate you taking time out of the day to hop. And talk to us a little bit about, your guys' process and the new cams that are on the RevX and all of the other stuff that we talked about today.

If people wanna find out more about your guys' new lineup, where do we send them? You can just send 'em to G five Perfect. Perfect. All right, Nate I really appreciate you taking time outta your day to do this. Yeah.