Shiny Objects: Ricky and Hollywood’s 2023 Bow Setups

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[00:00:00] And today with our shiny objects. So we got a couple bows on the table and we're gonna dice 'em up. Tell everyone about what we got going on. 'em. Rick's is a little cooler than mine, but give you all the juicy deets on on the setup and what we got. Yeah. And why we use it and all that fun stuff.

Welcome to the Range podcast. I'm Ricky Bruley, and with me is Jake Hollywood Iversson. Join us at the Archery Range where we'll tell stories from the hunt, discuss technical bow shooting tactics and gear, and pick the brains of some of the most successful people to ever shoot a bow, whether you're about to shoot that X for the win, or send an arrow at a trophy bot.

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The Range Podcast is brought to you by Vapor Trail Archery makers of the best BOL Strings money can buy. Originators of limb driven arrow rests technology and innovators of Stoker eyes. Stabilizer systems. Welcome to the Range. I'm Ricky [00:01:00] Bruley, and joining me as always is the eight trips a Day to Home Depot.

Hollywood was not expecting that. I usually try to hide that in the script from you, so it's more of a surprise. But yeah, tell 'em why you're taking eight trips a day to Home Depot. We're finally moved into the house. That's awesome. I've mentioned it a couple times, but yeah, we're in, been burning the fuel.

All day, every day. Burning the fuel All day, every day. Yeah. Just moving, not a whole lot of projects going on, but some upkeep. Organizing, you know what I want, putting up, pegboard, getting the in there to dad stuff. There you go. Getting the, sending in my rebates to Menards right now actually.

It's awesome. Cash in, man. Good job. Good job. Yeah. They used to do that 11% like twice a year and now it just seems like they just do it all year. All the time. It's, I'm like, it's, I thought it was only through JA July and I'm like, I went back there again. I'm like, It's still going. All right. Cash it in, man.

Cool. So this [00:02:00] is our episode of Shiny Objects. Thank you all for joining us. This is where we talk about what is currently grabbing our attention. What is that shiny object in our lives at this moment? Could be a new piece of gear, a good new read, a song and upcoming hunting trip. Or in Hollywood's case, moving into his new home.

In case you've been outta the loop, we are giving shiny objects its own episode every other week so that we can provide you our amazing audience with weekly content from the range. And hey, we wanna hear from you too. So we is your current shiny object. Let us know and we'd love to share it with the range listeners.

You can shoot me an email at or to Hollywood at Yes, sir. And today with our shiny objects, they can probably see on camera. We got a couple bows here. Yes, sir. Rick's is a little cooler than mine, but. I still like my nexus, so I don't know.

Yeah. So we got a couple bills on the table and we're gonna [00:03:00] dice 'em up. Tell us or tell everyone about what we got going on. 'em, give you all the juicy deets on on the setup and what we got Yeah. And why we use it and all that fun stuff. Tell you how bland I am. In a way, I should have brought my arrows in here.

Yeah. So I guess I'll jump right into it. I am running a Prime Nexus four. So 34 a t a got the quad cam going on. I'm doing a show and tell. So nice and close for everyone. Prime Nexus four. I'm running 28 inch draw. I wouldn't usually run a 28 and a half like on my target rig. Or actually that thing might be 29 right now, but like it a little bit shorter for hunting purposes, and then that is at 80 pounds. Tough guy. Yeah, I was leaving that one out there. So yeah, I run a 80 pound prime 28 inches. Couple different arrow setups come with that, but of course the V T X strings I don't know, you can obviously see his flow green and technically that's gun metal, but it looks [00:04:00] like black.

And then, yeah, I've got the M one. Was this the. M one 11. That's the 11 M one 11 off the front and then blurry image over what's connecting to it. Then a nice M one eight right out the back. I like running these m ones played around with the SSS one for a little bit. I liked it, but. I was running a little too heavy, doing the spot and stock stuff, actually this is way lighter. I think I have one ounce up front right now. And I've got a stack of, let's see, four, got six ounces off the back. Nice balance for me. It's a little light still, but running around in the hills, I don't want it too heavy. It gets pretty old holding it that long and yeah, you can throw it on your back, but ounces or pounds and pounds are terrible for you.

Yeah, I dunno. Can't think of the saying right now. That works. But yeah. Then I guess if we wanna go this far into depth in detail, I got a P X s peep 'cause I'm pretty blind, so I need the [00:05:00] glass in there for a verifier to clear up my lens, or not lens, but pins on my h a tetra max rise. That's a two pin running green and red.

Who makes the peep? It's the, that is specialty archery. Yeah. Okay. P x s peep. Little spendy, but worth every bit. I need it on every single bow. So every single one of my bows have the same peep. No smaller aperture at all. It's just normal P X Ss with the glass. And then of course our Gen seven X is running on this.

I've been running that for a couple years now. Played around with it a little bit, did some trial and error. And that worked out just fine. What do you mean by trial and error? I was running the activation cord in different locations. Oh, yeah. Played around with the yolk a little bit. Did that for a while.

It works, but I feel like you not advised. I feel like you just did that just to grind my gears is all. And Johnny's, Johnny wanted to cut it every time. Yeah. Then what else am I missing? I guess I got a small [00:06:00] upgrade. I put stainless screws in the grip. Ooh, I didn't do that. Yeah, I did that 'cause I don't like the rust.

Yeah. I don't think I've done it to the burger bolt yet, but generally I like to run stainless on it just to keep it rust free for the most part. Yeah. And then arrow set up jump into that, running a four mill axis. Total arrow weights. I'll have to get that to you, but I think it's 4 35 ish.

Actually it might be heavier, but then I do run a F M J setup. And the four mill I'm running for like out west, just longer range, lighter arrow. The F M J setup I'm running for. I would say white tail, but I'm not messing around during the middle of season with that, last year I mainly used it for bear and then I, whatever reason, I just use it for turkeys too, so definitely don't need it. But blast through that Turkey man. Yeah. 80 pounds and a 530 grain arrow. That's pretty much gonna wreck anything and everything. No worries there. Yeah, I'm trying to think.

Ask me a question if I miss something. I guess I, that's pretty much it. So just out of curiosity, and this isn't I [00:07:00] know why you do it, and I like it. I would do it too if I had, muscles as big as yours, but 80 pounds. What's your what's your why for that? I tell every customer I did it because I wanted to yeah, it was basically, that was the main reason is just I was like I wanna see what it's all about.

I wanna try it. And 70 was really easy. For me. And I played around, talked to my buddy at Matthews about doing it to my halo, and he's you're gonna avoid your warranty. I'm like, I know I am. But I ended up ordering this and Rick had used Prime before years. Has he used Prime before?

We have a couple pro staffers that have used it. I'm like let's see what it's about. And yeah, I just said, let's do 80 worst case, I drop it down to, low seventies, and now least I could have 75. So it's at least, comfortable. And lo and behold, I got this thing and 80 pulls like my 70.

On my certain other bows. And it's smooth and I guess jumping back a little bit, like tuning, tuning wise, it tunes just perfect. I [00:08:00] don't, I guess I might be lucky with this, but almost every time I just set up dead level knock level, maybe just a hair high. And then dead center shot and boom, bullet hole every time through paper.

Yeah. And you and I have talked about it. Paper's, not everything, but it's a good start anyway. And then jump out to the range and pull my hair out, doing bear shaft tuning for a couple days till it's right. But I do bear shaft tune almost every time. Whe whether I'm jumping from F M J to four mil, I'm bear shaft tuning it every single time.

And then once I switch to, I'm also using Black Hornet Magnus Broadheads. That's not always constant. I feel like my constant is change. And for Broadheads, that's a big one. I've jumped around to Grim Reaper, I used Rage way back when. And then and even in those same brands, so like Magnus, I've used the Stinger Buzz Cut for turkeys.

I've used the Black Hornet. And then Grim Reaper, I've used the Hades, the [00:09:00] micro hybrid the Fatal Steel. So I jump around a lot. But mainly when I'm Bear Shafting, once I go throw that Magnus on, it's got a little bit f bigger footprint, it's a wider blade. But that flight is the exact same of a field point.

It's pretty crazy. Glen Blair, one of the local pro staff guys, he helped me a lot with Bear Shaft tuning and going through that. And I just my mind blew when I was. Actually diving deep into bear shaft tuning. I'm like this is nuts. It's not, there's no extra crap that happens when you go to shoot.

You brought it, it is almost always right there with it. Yeah. So it just cuts out the guesswork, when you actually dial it down. Yeah. Then I was gonna say the fatal steel or the fatal Yeah. Is that, yeah. Fatal steel. With the fatal steels, I'm running that for more long range just to keep the wind drift down and they still fly almost the exact same as the black hornets.

So I don't really have to worry. So if I run my four mill [00:10:00] axis with the fatal steel or the Black Hornet, I'm good. Either way. I am running a victory outside on those I just a little bit longer shoulder than what Easton gives you. And. We get paid well, but I'm not getting paid a house mortgage every time, so I'm not buying titanium out certs.

And I own a house now yeah, I'm not buying titanium out certs, but the victory ones seem to be working well and I just like that extra protection, like I said with just having a longer shoulder on that. Outsert versus easton's. Tiny little nothing outsert. Yeah. For the most part, that's it.

I am running a e hybrid 20 sixes, three Fletch, left Hele. And that's only a two degree. I've just went with two. I've played around with some harsh, like four or fives and I've played with ones straights and turns out two just seems to fly and jive with me. And that's where I've just been running almost everything the last [00:11:00] maybe three, could be four years now.

That's I guess most of my stuff. I don't think there's anything else I'm missing. I think you hit it. I think you hit every bit of that. You're using the the Pine Ridge quicksand there to hold your bowl? Yes. Red, white and blue. I don't even know if they sell these anymore.

It is for sale. I just keep stealing it out of the shop. Yeah. But 1499. If it is on our website still, but I think so. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. We use, mostly, we just use those for display here in the shop. I don't, I used to always have one on me, but I don't, I dunno. Yeah. I guess I could also, I just noticed you have your button.

I'm running a Stan Ssx three. And that's, I guess what I've ran all the time. I've hunted with hinges before through Ball ht and then accidentally ended up shooting that Turkey with the B three mini bt. So that's also a brass hinge. That's cool. And that just happened because I reached in my pocket.

He was right there, grabbed out whatever [00:12:00] release came first. Whatever reason I had both with, and it was the brass hinge and I'm like we're sending it. Yeah, how you've been shooting enough where, yeah. I know how to work that release. Yeah, you definitely wouldn't want to do that going in raw, but I raw I've do raw dogging it.

Yeah. I've hunted plenty of times with the hinge before. I've shot deer with it, and it's fine. It's just, I like the, I guess the extra confidence. Two things. I like the confidence of the button, a thumb release style. Or, yeah, I guess thumb button style release. Just being able to put off a shot if you need, and it's not going to super torque your bow or any, your shot's gonna still go straight for the most part.

And I'm saying punch in loose terms, but second advantage is, Deep winter hunts. God do, I love just being able to put it there and just yeah. Keep my hands in my mouth. Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited about that. 'cause this is the first time I've used a, a button, thumb button release and yeah, just having the ability to just keep it attached.

I, my [00:13:00] biggest fear is that it's probably best that my release is attached to my wrist because then it's, I can't lose it. I was just gonna mention that, but Yep. We'll see how that goes. I'm probably gonna get the I'll get the little ling that attaches onto there too, just to, just so I have, I was just gonna say, come hunting season, sometimes like couple years I've played with it, where I honestly just tie like a fluorescent pink piece of dlo cord around it.

Yeah. So then if it drops, pink is gonna stand out pretty bright. Yeah. But I did have that scare last year with bear hunting where I'm like, oh God, I crawl up the tree and I'm like, I. I dropped my freaking release. Yeah. I did find it. But that was an hour of a hunt just wasted, looking all over in the trees and whatnot. But yeah, that is a fear. That's the nice thing about the wrist strap, it's always connected, but, I know another point for some people is when you climb your stand, you might hit it, against the metal, but Right.

Whatever. Yeah. So yeah, that's a pretty good rundown. You got a nice setup. Yeah, I [00:14:00] still have my prime. I have the black five still. And so that's gonna be my backup bow. And mainly just because I just, I wanted to try something new and I had a friend who has been hasling me to switch to a P S E for the last three years, and I've resisted and then finally shot, I think it was.

Oh man, I can't remember which one it was now. But last summer I shot his, the Evo. Xf, it might have been I or the, I can't remember. I can't remember which one, but he had 80 pound limbs on it and I was able to draw it back. Yeah. Without too many problems. I, it wasn't like easy, but again, like I usually would struggle and he has a longer draw length than me too, so that adds to the struggle a little bit.

But I was able to get it back and it, I was just like, oh man. I'm like, dang it, and then I think I resisted him for another year and then I was like, alright, let's do it. Mach 34 came out and I just was like, yeah, [00:15:00] I'm thinking about I was going back and forth between this and the Fortis.

Yeah. Just, and mainly because of price point. I'm like, man, I don't know if I need, I've had carbon bows in the past and I didn't really like 'em and, 'cause I do like to have a little bit of a heavier bow, but I. Anyway. So before I get too deep into the details on my bow we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back I'll get into the weeds with with my new setup.

We'll be right back.

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And we're back. So Rick how about you talk about this beautiful Green Mach 34, call it The Hulk. Yeah, it's it was my wife that helped me inspire the color 'cause I couldn't decide on what I wanted and green's her favorite color. And that was an easy choice for her when it came to picking the color that I wanted.

And then so yeah, I originally ordered it in 70 pounds with the SS two cam on it. And then when we were out at the a t a show, I shot it and I was like, oh boy. Just a, it's a more aggressive cam, so it's definitely gonna, it's gonna give me better speed, but I just couldn't, I don't know, I didn't really feel comfortable with the draw cycle.

It was pretty harsh. Yes. And so then my buddy recommended the e C two, so then I made the switch, which kind of delayed the build process on my boat 'cause he had put it on hold until [00:17:00] I could shoot him at the a t a show, just to make sure. And but eventually, finally got it. And then, a lot of our accessories don't really match that green color.

So I actually have a three color scheme on it. So you've got, I've got the V T X both strings on here. And this is bronze, metallic, bronze and silver for the strings and cables. And then just, so all my accessories, so I've got the gray DSDs and then I've got the this is actually. Is it Coyote Brown?

Yep. On the Gen seven, but it actually matches our bronze string material pretty close so that that color scheme worked out pretty good. And then I actually have the fire knock titanium upgrade hardware kit in it. Wow. Which makes it even lighter, although, I don't know, I've never really been a big proponent of doing that.

It's very expensive and it doesn't, I don't know that it really makes a huge difference. However Rory really loves the [00:18:00] titanium kits and he was like, dude, you gotta put one in that bow. And so I was like, he was already ordering a couple sets, so I was like, go ahead and order it. I forgot you did that.

Yeah. And I don't know, jumping on that I don't know if you would feel a huge difference with the carbon bow, but like when I threw it in on his phase four, it felt. Better. It was nice. Yeah. It's really nice. But yeah, like Rick said it's pretty pricey. And the only other downside that I don't like is everything is Torx.

You know what I mean? Oh yeah. So now I gotta have a Torx tool with me also. But other than that it's really, I like the way it looks. I like the way the stainless looks on it and I know that it's, none of those bolts are gonna rust out or anything like that. 'cause I'm not the best at, bringing my bow in every day, from a hunt, it's like you forget, you put it in your case, it's wet and then you come out and your bolts are all rusty and there's not much you can do about it, but just roll with it for the season.

It's the last thing you're gonna do is start ripping your bow apart in the middle of the season. But yeah, exactly. Although I have done that before, which is a huge mistake. 'cause every time I've [00:19:00] done it I'm like, I don't know, trying to chase getting it back to where it was. And then you finally just accept the fact that it's not gonna shoot the way that it was and you just deal with it and figure it out.

But once I get it dialed, 'cause how many hours do we put into really getting 'em dialed in? I start putting shots through it right away. And then just dial it in as I go. I like to make sure everything's nice and broken in before I mess around with all that. And in this particular case too I don't know, I did something to my shoulder last year or whatever and I, and on top of that, I haven't really been shooting a lot either.

So when I first got it at 70 pounds and I was shooting it I, shoot maybe, three dozen arrows and then I'm shot. My shoulder's just shot. And I'm also trying to change the way that I draw as well, just because of the way that I've drawn my bow for so many years is probably the result of why my shoulder maybe was hurting.

And so trying to get better with that. So I dropped it down to 60 for a while and was just shooting in my backyard at 20 yards, just shooting shooting, and so probably got 500 arrows through it or [00:20:00] something like that before I really started to even tune it and mess around.

Got the stoke rise. M one 14 out front, just like Hollywood does, except I've got, mine's kind of the opposite. I've got six ounces out front. And then I've got the M one eight out back. I just basically took two ounces off of here, threw it here and added one. Just, I don't know, it made the balance feel better.

I dunno if the longer axle, the axle or what, but, and probably the different, weight distri distribution is different 'cause of the carbon. Yep. But but that seemed to balance it out really nicely. And so now my bow is not, 'cause it was really kicking back Oh. With all that. Yeah. And so when I, that's what thought you were going with.

When I moved that weight, then it then that helped. I extended it out to maybe a 14 and then that might have changed that a little bit or even shortened this up or just got rid of that. But I like to have that offset to offset the weight on the other side of the bull from the arrow rest and from the site.

So I like to have that, the ability to swing that out and offset that weight. We've got the the [00:21:00] John Dudley grip on there and yeah. Yeah, I, again, that was another one of those things where it's like I ordered my UltraVIEW release and then I was like, oh, you know what? I should get that grip just so I have it, so I can play around with it.

And I really like how it does, it helps me index my hand properly. It's almost, it almost acts a little bit like a kisser button would, or to help you anchor your face on the string. It helps with that a little bit. And that's the big reason I really like that.

Running the limb driver, gen seven X on there. And run into the top limb. And my activation cord is going to the top limb. Reason being is because with this particular bow, the bottom limb adapter, once you get it, once you get your center shot figured out, that bottom limb adapter runs into the cable slide or the cable guard.

And so that has to be removed. Top limb, which isn't a big deal I don't run typically run into any issues anyways. I just like to run to the bottom so that people can see that it's possible. 'cause that is a common request from [00:22:00] people. I, yeah. I was just gonna ask, what is the difference or advantage to top limb versus bottom limb?

'cause I know a lot of guys end up asking me. Yeah. And I haven't seen any technical reason for that other than that some people with certain accessories like quivers and things like that, they get a little nervous about that cord, the activation cord running into their quiver or whatever.

And for the folks that don't Aren't really familiar with limb driven technology. Basically this is a drop away arrow rest, and there's an activation cord that goes up to the limb so that when you draw the bow back and the limb flexes, it allows the spring in the arm of the arrow rest to come up and lift your arrow as opposed to the other way around with like your standard drop away that goes into your cable where it's there you're basically relying on a spring to pull the rest out of the way.

And so in this particular case[00:23:00] it eliminates that. So if you do have an issue with that cord, You can just quick replace it without any we don't need a bull press or anything like that. You don't have to, split your cable to get the activation cord in there, all that kind of stuff.

It's a little bit more foolproof. You don't have to cut your cable. Yeah. And we've had people goof around like an archery talk and make activation cords out of all kinds of random things like zip ties. We had one guy like pull off a willow branch off of a tree and use that. Your bootlace, whatever.

Yep. I've never ran into any sort of situation like that. But again the other advantage too is that with the way that this arrow rest functions, it gives you more arrow support throughout the shot cycle. So it's a free floating platform. It's not a solid platform. It floats.

So if there's any inconsistency with your arrow or your form or anything like that, the spring that's in that launcher arm will actually kind. Correct. Or or cradle the arrow. And so that way it allows the arrow to free float the way that it naturally [00:24:00] should. And then, but it also still adds support throughout a majority of the draw cycle.

So then that way, once it leaves the bow right now you've got, we've found that it gives better down range accuracy and vapor trail originated limb driven technology. That's right. So there's a lot of other companies that use it. But it started with Jared Fonda's original design, and then it was adopted by several other companies after a while.

In fact, that design was laughed at in the beginning. And then some people started to notice and now look the advantages and Yeah. And so we're doing really well with it. Now we do have a new rest. It's called the integrate. Eight and the integrate eight x and that rest is, has an integrated mounting system on it.

And it and these two bows, this bow doesn't have the i m S on it, correct. I m s stands for integrated mounting system. This bow does, but currently it's one of, it's like one of the only one, I think it one of one [00:25:00] that, that our arrow rests. Does not fit on. Like you can mount it on there, but it ends up being really low.

Yep. And so it's really difficult to tune. I know of a few people that said, I, I didn't have any problems, but when I look at the center shot, it's or not the, or when I look at the height, it's really low. And I'd be concerned about getting contact here with your shelf, but some people have made it work. But I'd just choose, we've got other options and, for that very reason.

So I've chosen to put the seven X on there and it was shooting great. I haven't you had mentioned before about paper tuning and how we're kinda, back when I first started tuning it, that was gospel, right? Yeah. It was like if you didn't have a good paper tune, your bow wasn't tuned.

And I've come to find out that's not necessarily the case. It's just one metric. And it's most certainly a good way to understand how the arrow's coming out of your bow does not necessarily mean that your arrows are not gonna group. And so I was scrambling to get my bow tune and set up and I didn't have a perfect bullet hole, I guess like I would like to see, and I [00:26:00] should probably play around with bare shaft tuning like you are as well.

I get to the point where it's okay, I've done. All the simple things to correct that, and it hasn't corrected the issue. And so now you gotta go down a rabbit hole of, shimming and doing all that kind of stuff, which I will do at some point. But when I went out on the range and I was, grouping well at 40 and then went out to Rapids and I was grouping well at 60, 70, and 80, it's okay it's good.

It's good enough. Yeah, it's fine. Now it wouldn't be good enough for me to shoot an animal out to 80 yards. It's no way. You're right. But I'm just out shooting that foam. And again, it's more, I guess I look at it, if my point of impact is a little bit off at 80 yards, it's probably me more so than it is the bow.

But, we'll find out as I continue to tinker and mess around with it. Got the h A, this is the Optimizer Light Kingpin, which I believe is actually discontinued. I don't Yeah. Think they make that one anymore. Tetra series pretty much took over all that. Yeah, and I [00:27:00] ordered it right before the Tetra came out.

Like I. I mean it like maybe a month or two. So it was like, oh man. But either way it's shooting well for me, and I've thought about switching it up to one of the new ones, but it shoots great. I love it. Haven't had a problem. So I just, and that and that speaks volumes to a company too.

If some, if a product like that can withstand the test of time and you don't have to constantly be buying the new one, I think that says something about the products they make. The big thing that I'll stop and touch on with these, the kingpin, is the thing that got me started thinking about it. My dad had one and me running different arrow setups.

Yep. It's amazing because you can, so the Tetra Max Rise, same thing. You can take this dial off and so this is for my four mil axis right now. When I go to run my fjs, I take it off, throw it back on, I'm set. Obviously that plays with my rest a little bit. Switching arrows to that magnitude. You can do that on this one too.

[00:28:00] You're talking the site tape? Yeah. Yeah. That's what I was going with. Is that one has a adjustable site tape, so you can pop that ring off. You can pop this ring off. Yeah. And it's just amazing because if you're running different setups that are still similar to where you don't need to move your rest, yeah. To Egypt and back, it's amazing. You just take the little dial off, throw the new one on. Cool. I'm ready to rock. So that was my big sell point on that one too. Yeah. And the big advantage of yours over mine is maybe there's other options that are bigger too, but that you've got the two pins.

And I've only got one. So there is that feature. That's nice. But again, I am still trying to burn through. My yeast and injections that are eight years old or whatever. So I, again, I'm just gonna keep shooting those that I haven't seen a need to change every bow that I've gone from one to the other.

And who knows, with this tuning, this slight tuning issue that I'm running into, maybe it will require me to go with a new arrow, but we'll see. So since I mentioned it shooting the Easton [00:29:00] Injection three 40 and I've got the Doge 6.22 or the, not the Doge fire knock. Arrow outer that I'm using just because when those arrows first came out, you were pigeonholed into shooting deep.

Six six was the only thing. And so I don't know if, maybe people don't aren't even familiar with that. But that's when the arrows started to go micro diameter and they were using that hit insert, which is the insert that goes into the shaft, and then nobody was making a broad head at that time that would fit into that.

And so then they started this deep six thing where companies were making a specific broad head to fit in there. And I was shooting Grim Reaper at the time, and Grim Reaper wasn't making a deep six. And options were using some type of an outsert and then going back to our buddy Glenn, he was using the Arrow Outsert from Fire Knock. And so he had suggested that and that's what I went with and that's what I've been running with ever since. So yeah. But [00:30:00] everything's been shooting really good for the most part. Again, still got a little bit of dial in to do. And there's a titanium archery products makes a roller guard or cable slide that's titanium, but also that can be adjusted in and out, just like on some of the older PSEs.

Yep. Not older, but. Past years. Like what? Last year and the year before? Yeah. Some of the bows, both others had a movable roller guard there and this one doesn't, so that might help me with some of that, might help rectify that. So I'm probably gonna invest in that and see what I can do about further dialing this bow in.

Yeah. What are you running for veins right now? Running the a e stealth max. Oh yeah. White three inch. Gotcha. And yeah, I was shooting I was using Vein Tech for a really long time, then started shooting the Flex Fletch SK two. Again. Great veins, yeah. But just always trying to play with new stuff, to be honest, the [00:31:00] reason I switched over to the a e is because we have a branded vein through a e that's got our Vapor Trail logo on it now which is pretty cool.

Of course, I wanna represent, and they're flying really nicely. And the only downside is there's a little bit of added prep work when it comes to fletching because of the material. Yeah. But aside from that they all went on nicely and I had a dozen arrows when I went out to total archery challenge and I came back with eight and, but like three of 'em have, no, two of 'em have messed up inserts that I'm or out inserts that I'm pretty sure I can pull those off and save the arrows.

But the other ones are completely trash. What do you go out there with? Nine or Rick doesn't miss. Yeah, I, and I think I talked about this a little bit Yeah. In our previous shiny objects. But yeah, I had, my sight tape was just slightly off that first day and it took me, About halfway through the first course that we went through to figure that out.

And it's [00:32:00] one of those things, it's really funny too, because as long as I've been doing this, I was just yeah, I'm just trying not to tinker and fiddle around with my equipment too much. I'm just like, it's probably me. I haven't shot a lot. This release is new, so I had a, I just had some arrows that just, I had no idea what happened.

They just did not hit the target and shattered in the rocks behind. And then so as, but as I'm shooting, Matt was paying really close attention to where my point of impact was, and I wasn't really paying much attention. I was just like, oh, great, I hit foam suite. I didn't blow up an arrow, and then after a while he goes you've been really consistently hitting low. Then I started adding a yard and then he was like, yeah and remember when you get out to longer yardages, you have to incrementally Yeah. Bump that it's gonna change, because, so I was like, Of course, what the heck? So then I started adding two yards at some of the longer distances and and everything was going well, but yeah. What peep are you running? I honestly can't really tell over here. You got, it's just a standard specialty archery peep. [00:33:00] Okay. Nothing crazy. I can't remember what the technical, it's hunter peep or something like that.

It's a hundred peep. I'm pretty sure it's a three 16th. It doesn't have the hood on it or anything like that. Yeah. I do actually have a podium peep. Yeah, you're the one that pushed me toward this one. Yeah. I have a podium peep somewhere, and I was moving it from one bow to another, and then I'm not sure what happened to it.

And then I remember one day I was like fiddling around in my garage and I found it. Now, I don't know what I did with it. Again, I can't, it's in the laundry machine. I can't find it. Because the one thing I like about that peep is it's longer, right? So if your string is not aligned perfectly, you can't really see through it well.

So it makes sure that you've got, 'cause with these, it can be off slightly. And you can still see through it. Okay. But that will that will change your point of impact. Correct. Those shadows and the way that it, it's strange, but it distorts the image that you're looking at and [00:34:00] almost pushes your side housing over It's unnoticed less rights, but Yeah.

Yeah. You'll start getting some left right play going on. So you wanna make sure that peep is coming back straight and that you're seeing through it. It's similar to that concept like Tom Knapp the late Great Bonelli, I was gonna say, is that exhibition shooter of the shotgun shooter?

Yeah. He originally came out with a with a fiber optic that you put on the rail of your shotgun, and it was a long tube. And it ensured that if you weren't lined up, if your eye was not lined up down the rib of the barrel you couldn't see the fiber. Oh, so it's a similar concept, right?

Where you just increase that tube a little bit and then so when you bring it up it forces you to make sure that you're seeing the fiber. And if you can't see the fiber, then you're not shouldering and you're not down on the rib the way you should be. So I guess that's how I look at it anyways, yeah. Just ensures that everything's perfectly in line. And then it's nice too because now you can put what apertures in the back, and then you can put glass in the front. Yeah. You can, and you can put a sun [00:35:00] shade on the front if you really need. I don't run that. You can put the different aperture in there.

Different verifier. Clarifier, and, it's really easy. And they've made it even better than what it was before. So you got this little tool with it, it's perfect. Yeah. And actually p x s is actually toolless you just screw it in, screw it out. It's got a little notch in it.

Yep. That's right. You got a little neural It's narrowed on the outside. Where you That's right. Yep. Mine is right there. Yeah, hopefully I can find mine 'cause I would like to get that back in. But again, I don't, most of my shooting is gonna, this year is gonna be pretty close range.

I'm not gonna be taking too many long shots other than just in my backyard, at foam or heading out to out to Bunker, which that just reminded me too. I've got a great idea for a new fry. Yay. Oh boy. And it'll be, it's gonna have to be me and you and maybe somebody else. We'll go out to We Rapids or something and we'll shoot.

And we gotta do a little filming while Damon come with us behind the camera. And we're gonna make some [00:36:00] Frys. Frys are coming back. Are we bringing the ninja back? The Ninja Archer? Nope. So I will say this. There's, so I came across this page and it's really funny. It's all golf. Oh, yeah. But it could apply to archery and so yeah.

I'm like, all right, so I don't think I know which one you're talking about. It's generating some really cool ideas in my head that we could, I think we could we could pull it off really well. Yeah. So yeah, that's my setup. P s E Mach 34, Hollywood's shooting the Prime Nexus 80 pounds. And yeah, so those are our setups.

If anybody has any questions or anything like that feel free to reach out and let us know what you think or I don't know, you can razz us a little bit or haze us or, yeah, I don't know. Whatever you wanna say. But these are the setups that we're using and this is what's working for us right now, so I'd be happy to hear about what you're shooting and why.

Feel free to reach out and let us know. So I've come across a [00:37:00] interesting topic this week, and it's come up a couple times actually. I have a an old friend from high school that just got into archery. And so he's been asking me, what effective range is, when you're shooting a bow, he was asking me how, what my effective range is, how far I can accurately shoot and what I think is, ethical and all those kinds of things.

And so we walked through some of that and he said he is shooting pretty good. His shoulder's pretty rough, so he can, he says he can only shoot like three arrows at a time. And so then we went down that, I was like maybe, maybe think about, lowering your poundage, all that kind of stuff.

But he was saying he is grouping like a pop can at 40 yards. And so I was like that's, I would say that's pretty good. That's a pretty good. Place to start. Yeah. And so I get the meat eater newsletter that comes into my email. Oh, and this actually came from the wired, wired to hunt weekly.

This one was sent out by Tony Peterson. And Tony Peterson is I respect him big time. Like I, [00:38:00] he's I'm pretty sure he is local. He's from Minnesota, I believe. But this article that was part of the newsletter they sent out says, I won't shoot past 30 yards with my bow. And so that click baited me in.

'cause I was like, oh, this will be interesting. I'll be curious to hear about that. And it's written by gentleman by the name of Tony Hanssen. And this is, and by no. By no means my intention to slander this or anything, I'm just, again, I'm just like curious 'cause it's bringing up this topic of yeah, what's your effective range or whatever.

And so he won't shoot past 30 yards. And his main thing is just, you don't know what can happen in, in between you and that deer, when they're moving and all that kind of stuff. And it's different when you're shooting at a stationary object. And he goes into, he gets into details about, if your bow is this fast and you're shooting this far, and then the deer can duck your arrow and all those kinds of things.

And using some data, if you're, if an arrow is traveling 350 feet per second, first, my first thing in my head was not many arrows travel that fast, 300 [00:39:00] grand arrow. But then you get into it and he says most hunting rigs aren't slinging arrows at three 50 feet per second.

So I'm glad that he said that. But yeah, again, just he's just using those numbers as an example. And so I respect his. His thoughts on that? I totally respect that he doesn't wanna shoot that anything over 30. And again, it's what are the conditions you're shooting in? What are you hunting?

You know what I mean? If you're in a tree standing, you're hunting in the big woods. Yeah. And you go out west and that changes a little bit. What is, what are your thoughts as far as what's your effective range and then what do you, overall, what do you, how do you feel about that?

Yeah, I guess that was gonna be my number one thing is just, if you're hunting, like you said already the big woods with whitetail on average, at least in Minnesota, here. Where we're hunting, unless you have a food plot or, even like hunting on the edge of a farm you're not really gonna get a shot at a deer more than I, it might be a stretch to say 50 yards. I know there's some parts of my property where I can do 50, but for [00:40:00] the most part it's 40 or less. And isn't there an average out there anyway of, most white tail are killed at 18 yards or 20 ish yards.

It's usually 20 yards or under anyway. I would just say probably a majority of bow hunters aren't shooting out to long distances. Mostly probably 'cause they don't have the time or have the wherewithal to practice out that far. And again, it's a comfort thing, just like he said. So I feel like I'm on the more controversial side, but I feel like nowadays it's a little less controversial.

Just because the efficiencies of arrows, bows, everything else. Yeah. I feel like our effective ranges are getting farther. But I feel like effective range is also a loose term where Yep. You're, you were talking earlier where you're not gonna be making as farther as far of shots as if you're going out west and where it's South Dakota.

I'm like, if it's 80 yards, I'm going for it. I'm. But that's me because Rick was saying, I do practice though, 80 yards or [00:41:00] further. Consistently asterisk, not this year, not yet. But I still have two months to do that. But if you're practicing that much and you are, stacking arrows, and then I think effective range also comes to your confidence.

If you're not actually confident that you can always group that arrow or always hit that spot then you're not effective. Yeah. Another part of the effective range for me is looking at what's the kinetic energy you're gonna have at that distance, where that wire to hunt, that might be something you was saying in there too, where, I'm looking at, okay, if I'm shooting this far, how much energy am I actually gonna have?

Where like this thing. With my setup, I'm running, I think it's 91.6, kinetic like foot pounds. So I'm pretty confident with anything there. I'm, and that's running about 2 93, 2 95. So I feel just fine shooting, maybe not a white tail at 80 yards, but like last year with mules is really my first experience being that close.

And they are a little, I won't say a lot bigger, but in my eyes when I'm [00:42:00] grouping and practicing a lot at 80, that heart on that mul deer just seems like this size of a, watermelon. Yeah. I'm like, holy cow. Yeah. This, I could shoot that 80 yards, no problem. So I think it comes back to the shooter ultimately, but, and I'd say also your setup if you're shooting like 60 pounds and 26 inches I'm not gonna recommend anyone shooting past, maybe 60 will have enough kinetic. But I guess I'd want to break it down to that level. And then also see, okay, how well are you actually shooting? Yeah. And I say I wouldn't do it on a whitetail either, just 'cause at least it almost seems like whitetail are just like, they have that sixth sense where they're always jumpy.

Where like the mule deer at 80 yards, if you got the wind right and everything else, and they're just grazing dude. They're clueless. And you have a story about that too, where it's if it doesn't know you're there, you can send it. But if you're talking like the Rutt, I'm probably gonna be on more times than knot looking at 30 yards or less.

Again, I don't have all those shots in my woods. And then if you're doing city [00:43:00] hunts, obviously you're not gonna be shooting that far anyway. So I guess, I don't know, it's, for me, it comes down to a lot of confidence and what is your setup Yeah. To make an effective shot or an effective range.

And then you're talking like, Morals and ethics and that sort of thing. But that's where I say I feel it's less controversial these days. I feel like ethics isn't out the window, but the setups are pretty damn, effective these days where they're efficient. Yeah. Where I'm not too worried now, if you're starting to play with mechanical stuff, yeah.

You might wanna know about mechanical broadheads, but that's, again, I don't know. It's comes back to the bow setup and if you're running a fixed blade, Don't have to worry about opening up. It's just gonna go through, unless of course then you run out of energy to actually punch through a rib.

And I'm also saying this, I'm not going for a shoulder. Of course things can happen and if you're talking effectiveness at 90 yards with a shoulder you might be pushing your luck. So yeah, I'm [00:44:00] talking like perfect like lung shot, like double lungs or heart quartering away.

Something where you can definitely zip in there, maybe break a rib or bounce off a rib and that's it. No, no shoulder shots here. Yeah. I'm not running a 700 grain arrow. Yeah. Y'all know what I mean. Yeah, it's well said. And I like what you said about it. It was the answer I was looking for when I asked you why 80 pounds?

Because when you know, you can still shoot, some people might say you increase your poundage. If you're going out west, you know you're gonna have a flatter shooting arrow. Maybe it just depends. 'cause now you're increasing your poundage, you're increasing your arrow weight. But again, if you're 90 foot pounds of kinetic energy coming outta the bow at those further distances you're gonna have more kinetic energy getting out distant, right.

Like you were saying it's effective range. Again this is why I'm saying this 'cause it's, it is subjective. Everybody's has their own version of it. [00:45:00] And as Tony Hanssen here even says, yeah, he is I wouldn't consider myself an above average shot with a bow at a distance of 30 yards or less.

I'm not in complete control of where the arrow impacts the deer should I decide to move? And Again, what's the setup? What are you shooting? What are you practicing? He's also shooting a Q A D here too, so that's a problem. Distance shooters? No, he's right-handed. He's shoot Nexus though here in the picture.

Oh, nice. And I guess I can't assume that's Tony Hanson. I guess it could be just some stock footage or something. Again, so I want to go back to, and this is in favor of this article because we talked about this before when I shot that mule deer at 92 yards. And I was shooting a lot.

I was 20, I was in my I was in my third young, early thirties, and. Shooting a ton, practicing a lot, and even then I was [00:46:00] still like, ah, I don't know about that, and then my buddy says, dude you can do it. It's okay, if I, most likely, if I don't, it's either I'm gonna hit it and kill it, or I'm gonna miss clean.

You know what I mean? But it's So I just was like, telling myself that in my head, but then I just had to get out of that frame of mind and just go, okay, I'm killing this thing right now. Win her attitude. And it happened. But, the thing is so then I got a little complacent, it really boosted my confidence. You know what I mean? And I and I'm only really talking about this a lot now 'cause I just, even then when I had it mounted and I brought it up to the Archery club over at Chila Co. I was a member there at that time. And some of the some of the old school members, were asking questions.

Oh, that's great. And had a couple of them frown about the distance that I shot at it, and I get that. 'cause there's so many factors, just like you're saying. Just the slightest little thing, push my arrow over and now I'm going hitting shoulder or skipping it off the back or [00:47:00] something like that.

Ethically. Yeah. I, no way would I take that shot now. No chance. And, but I think, as you gain more experience and as you get better at stocking now, it's less about how far can I shoot it, but how close can I get? And so when your skills start to get better in that area, there's so much more satisfaction in getting close.

And, drilling 'em at 20 yards or 15 yards or Right. Whatever it may be. Because I had, since then actually I think it was the year before I killed that buck. I wounded one at 60. Something we didn't find. It looked for a couple of days, didn't find it, went back in the spring to try find it, still nothing.

And then I think it might've been. Maybe a year or two after I shot another muled their buck and wounded that one and never found it. [00:48:00] And so then now going back to the whole thing we were talking about with Shot IQ and everything like that too I don't ever wanna do that again. And since those two incidents had happened I've got a pretty good track record.

Just making sure that I'm comfortable with the shot. It's not about what is my effective I need to know what my effective range is for that particular season, but then now I'm like, okay, I know I need to get closer, or I know that white tail is not gonna come in on the trail that I want. And so I just.

I just have to wait it out, just have to wait for it to get closer, 'cause the shot, even if it presented itself, you just, especially when you're in the deep woods up here, man, you don't, you can't see all the t sticks and twigs and, yeah, I'm trying to say a combination of sticks and twigs.

So ts the ticks, it's just, it's not gonna work. And as I was reading through this article, then I get to the bottom, and then there's another one, there's one that Tony wrote, and it says, how far is too far to shoot a deer with a boat? So again, same thing going into that. What's too [00:49:00] far?

And, all those kinds of things. And I, again, I guess it's all relative to your ability, but then you also, a lot of people, what they don't think about is. I can't tell you how many times we've run into, like in the metro hunts, where a guy will wound a deer. And then you're like, okay.

Asking 'em questions like, okay, what's your setup? What broadhead are you using? What you know, this, that and you come to find out that they don't even practice with their broadheads ever. Yeah. And you're like whoa. Wait a minute. Did you just say you've never practiced with your broadheads?

So again, for the people that are listening, very important practice with your broadheads. 'cause we started actually for these Hunts, we started doing a Broadhead test. That was probably the best thing to ever come about. And you'd be surprised how many people don't pass the first time around. And it's, and we're shooting elevated from an elevated platform at 20 yards.

And it's, and guys are in like half a foot off six inches, eight inches missing completely, so I. That, that's a very [00:50:00] important factor that people are practicing with those That's that's one big thing. And again, nobody really, I don't think he says it in here, but I've always told guys this too if you feel like your effective range is 40, you should practice out to 60.

Or if you plan on taking 60 yard shots, you should practice out to 80 or more. Just because I'm a firm believer in the aim, small, Ms. Small. Yep. The smaller that target is, the tighter you need to hold and the more you practice at those distances, the better you're gonna get. Naturally up here I guess I've had customers I've talked to before as well where, I ask 'em in the same way.

What's your max shot you're taking and or what's the farthest you can shoot 30? I almost just say double it. Shoot 60 then a bunch because that 30 yard shot, if you think you know, that's gonna be your fur, your furthest shot, that thing's gonna look just huge. That target's gonna look huge to you where it's oh, confidence is [00:51:00] through the roof.

I've been shooting 60 all summer, and even if you're shooting 80 and you, the farthest you can shoot is 30 or even 20, oh my God. Should be a crack shot. But chip shot is what you like, what we like to call it. It makes those shots a chip shot. So of course buck fever might throw some people off, but yeah, it does.

It's just, I always say the same thing. It's what's your farthest and double it? But obviously it's pretty hard to find 140 yards, for me, I'm not shooting that far. I think my site tape goes out at 1 35. It does have one 40, but there's no way with my. Fletching is I'm gonna be shooting my sight housing, and I wouldn't shoot that far anyway. Yeah, no question. I'm not shooting that a deer and going, yeah, I'll just send it. No, I'm gonna try and actually stock it. And then, I should also clarify, I'm not shooting, across the valley either. Yeah. Let's be smart about that one.

You get some wind drift in there talking about that. And I actually did look up kinetic energy, what it takes for, deer. And they say it as low as 25 foot pounds. Yeah. Up to 41, but let's call it 45 just to be safe. And then Elk [00:52:00] 42 to 65 and big game so like Cape Buffalo, they say 65 foot pounds and this thing's shoving 91, 92.

So it's yeah, I'm pretty confident now it's further. Along with my practice, it's a whole bunch of things. And something that the listeners should know too, is when you're saying it's 90 foot pounds of kinetic energy now that's coming outta the bow or wherever the chronograph was that you, that your arrow went through, that's only at X distance. Yeah. And that's why I was saying like, if you're at 80 yards, you should also try and find, I think pinwheel, I thought I had it saved and I tried pulling it up. It, I didn't save it, but I think Pinwheel will actually tell you. I. Your kinetic energy at X amount of yards.

And so that's why, that's part of knowledge and learning this sport. Of grow your knowledge to boost your confidence. And that'd be part of it. Know your kinetic energy at what you are confident at. Yeah. If you're confident at 40 yards, know that you're still gonna be able to get through it.

Yeah. Whenever you're shooting. So otherwise you're just. Wounding animals and that is not ethical. So don't do that. Yeah, you can definitely there's [00:53:00] mathematically figure out what your kinetic energy is gonna be out at that distance. 'cause it's basically just a parabola, right? Your a flight. Yep. And based on speed and all those kinds of things, you can plug that information in and you can find, it's probably not gonna be exact, but it'll, I'm sure it'll be within, a couple foot pounds and that's all you really need to know. As long as it's at that 30 foot pounds for a deer, you're gonna blow past it.

As long as you're, your point of impact is obviously very important, you hit it right in the shoulder and you're like ss o l. But yeah. If you put the arrow where it needs to be, It doesn't take much to get through there. With a good, sharp, broad head. I can tell you 90 foot pounds goes through Turkey.

Pretty easy. You find that arrow all 30 yards away. Yeah. Stuck in the dirt. Yeah. Whoopsies. But yeah, I just thought that was kind of a cool topic to discuss since I saw this article just came into my inbox today and then was talking to that old friend of mine about effective range and yeah.

For me, I don't know if I got into that, but yeah, for me right now, with as little as I've been [00:54:00] practicing all that kind of stuff, I am. 50 yards is probably gonna be my max. And that's gotta be like perfect conditions. Wind, no wind. Wide open shot. I can't be shooting through any brush, none of that.

And like you said, of the spots that I hunt I'm not really, I don't have too many opportunities over 40 yards. And I don't really like that 40 yard range anyways. They're one of those guys that struggle not struggle, but 40 is a weird one. Yeah. Because I've I've shot at a few deer in that 40 yard range, and it seems like it's close enough for them to hear your arrow, but far enough away for them to move.

Oh yeah, definitely. There, they can always move. Even at 20 yards, there's no arrow on the market that can beat. Them ducking, you're still, your point of, you might still hit the deer, but it's your point of impact is gonna be drastically different than where you were aiming, so he even says here in this article that oftentimes he'll aim a little low to compensate [00:55:00] for that. Yep. And that's one of the reasons why I don't like to go m I don't like to stop the deer because it get, puts 'em on Alert. Alert. And so I like to, if I possibly can just wait for them to stop.

And sometimes you can't. But man, if they're moving slow enough, you can lead a tiny bit and what I'm talking is, I'm talking like feeding, taking a step. Feeding Oh, taking a step. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna do the old man thing because again, boom, head comes up and now they're looking in your direction.

I don't want that. I don't want him to know that I'm there at all, so the buck I shot in 2019, I was lucky enough for him to, he came into the snort, wes, and literally came to the base of my tree and then was like going around the base of my tree. And then he just stopped and then just stood there.

Yep. Forever. And I'm like and he was on my right side, which isn't my shooting side, so I had to pivot around to get over there. But I had all, I had plenty of time to quietly swing my body around and get into position and nail him once. And then he took two leaps [00:56:00] and was still about the same distance.

It was only 15 yards. Geez. And and he's just standing there and I'm like, and I can see blood dripping a little bit, but I just was like, okay. It'd be really silly for me not to lace him again. I may as well. Yeah. I'm a hundred percent a believer in that one. If you gotta follow us, upshot with a bow.

I'm doing it. Yeah. And if you can get away with it, I'm like sitting there moving, I'm pulling my arrow out. Yeah. Getting it knocked. Drawback again, plenty of time. Just bury the pin, pull it off. Second arrow went through him and he just tore out of there. Yep. And then he got in the woods, piled up and died with his head tank.

His antlers tangled in some vines. So it was like, we thought he was still alive. We're like, we tracked him an hour later and I'm like, oh my gosh, he's still alive. Or Glen was like, he's still alive, dude. His head's still up. Yeah. I'm like, what? So we waited forever and then finally it's just like, all right, I'm gonna come in from the backside and then we'll see what happens.

And then I'm like, he's not moving at all. I'm getting closer. Closer. I'm like 20 yards [00:57:00] away. Still not moving 15 yards away, still not moving. I'm like, he's dope. He's gotta be dead. Yeah. Yeah. I should also make a quick mention. People should know they're like close yardage. Yeah. Like I was just thinking back on all the deer I've shot and I'm like I had that one buck, I shot seven yards.

I've had some close encounters where I'm like, dude luckily there I had a three pin and I just ended up pretty much, just used all three pins at that point. When he is seven yards away okay, just get away with it. Yeah. And yeah, he was done in 40 yards, but yeah. People should know they're close distance too.

If you're gonna be doing spot in stock like I usually do. You might get in there tight. Yeah. A lot of people might not realize this, but typically your close range shots, like under 10 yards are gonna be somewhere around like your 30 or 40 yard pin actually. And the reason for that being is because your arrow is below your site.

Yep. And so it doesn't have that opportunity to meet up with your site pin. Yeah. That pin and within that parabola, so your arrow's actually gonna [00:58:00] hit lower than your pin, so you gotta. Pull ball. You're at the Vapor Trail Pro Shop during our three D Leagues. Yeah. We might do some of those shots.

We might. I may have already done those. That was fun though. A lot of people wreck their arrows with it. So they do those in Redding at the Western Trail chute. Yeah. It's like they have nine like butterflies. On the bale. And you're like four yards away. Yeah. Use your 50. It's crazy how many people Depends on your bow miss.

And they're just like, they hit super low and they're like, what the heck happened? And you're like now your sight down. Now, yeah. Yeah. What else? What else do we got? Is that it? I think that would probably be it. I really don't know. There's really anything else I could go further. We could talk about what glue we're using for crying out loud, but I don't know if people care about that.

No, I don't think so. Please let us know if you do. Yeah, if you find something'll talk about something superior. Yeah, I guess this is it here for our, my Bow setup. All right, folks, you can find us at the Range Podcast on Instagram and Facebook. [00:59:00] Head over and give us a follow. You can find me at Ricky dot Wayne 80 on Instagram and Ricky w Bruley on Facebook.

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